Search And Destroy: Musicals

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I find all musicals cheesy. The pinnacle of cheese of course being "Grease" and the audacious early 80's pop interpretation of "Pirates of Penzance" in "The Pirate Movie".

Annihilate - "Grease 2".

Kim with Passion and Bonus, Saturday, 5 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Just thought I'd also mention how weird it seems that no one has mentioned Jesus Christ Superstar. Anyhoo...

Kim, Saturday, 5 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I have bad memories of _Jesus Christ Superstar_. Ted Neeley, I ask you.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 5 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

search: "Don't Cry For Me, Argentina".

destroy: almost everything else by Lloyd Webber.

Robin Carmody, Saturday, 5 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Yes, Brecht was a good call, Mod. I'd forgotten about him. (But how?)

the pinefox, Monday, 7 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Remember the movie version of JCS, with the tanks and helicopters in the middle of the pre-Christian era desert? I think it was during the two hour period I spent as a youth sitting in my church basement that I decided to become a confirmed atheist.

Dave M., Monday, 7 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

south pacific, guys + dolls, west side story - i enjoyed watching these but wouldn't buy a soundtrack - Im fond of JCS the filum

all Troma iz shite

grdrcr, Monday, 7 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I was watching this "new concept" version of Jesus Christ Superstar on PBS when I was in Arizona, yo. It was the most fucked up shit I ever saw. Jesus was a bad actor and Judas wore red leather motorcycle gear, and the singing angel backup all dressed like the angels in the Victoria's Secret ads, ie garter belts and push up bras and big ludicrious wings. But these angels also wore S&M masks. And Jesus's followers all wore indie kid clothes. And Pilate and Co. wore this cross between Gladiator-style armor and Nazi uniforms. I wasn't sure if it was the most frightening musical I ever saw, or the coolest.

Ally, Monday, 7 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Was Jesus a Bad Actor as part of the Concept, or just incidentally?

mark s, Monday, 7 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Oh, and "I Don't Know How to Love Him" is another great ALW song:

"I don't know how to love him/how to touch, how to move him/he's just a man, JUST a man/and I've had so many men before, in oh so many ways/ he's just one more"

I loved to sing along to that (singer = Miriam D'Abo?), aged 11.

mark s, Monday, 7 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

hey, i saw the end of that pbs version sometime around easter and for the first five minutes or so i thought it was a satire of all the other networks' unintentionally campy jesus tv movies, but slowly came to realise that is was more like a pbs market executive's filming some stoned teenager's idea of 'jesus christ, superstar'. there was this awesome rock song about our lord & saviour too, 'jeeeeeeeeesuss.... something something.' well, i forget, but it was weird. i was actually hoping that pbs would have the balls to do a clever parody of the commercialisation of religion during this giant fury of it, but sadly they were just poking their own lame foray into that market. i bet the pbs of the eighties wouldn't have done that.

ethan, Monday, 7 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I have to believe Jesus As Bad Actor was part of the concept because I can't believe anyone would abide by the acting otherwise. I mean, honestly.

COMPLETELY TANGENTIALLY, does anyone else remember the movie Mary Mother of God or something to that effect? It was about the Virgin Mary and it was on CBS or NBC a few years ago. The reason I bring this up is because it starred Christian Bale as Jesus, just prior to it being announced he'd play Patrick Bateman. For the longest time no one would believe me that this was true, so I'm just curious if I'm the only one who actually remembers it. I mean, I looked it up online one day just to prove myself right, and sure 'nuff, there was Christian Bale, smiling in a beatific way from the poster. It rocked. If the Catholic church would use Christian Bale as their propaganda instead of the Jesus they usually use, I'd so be in church right now. "Oooh, Jesus, save meeeee"

Ahem. Sorry. Anyhow, Jesus Christ Superstar is a terrible musical and should be destroyed with the rest of Sir Webber's collection, but that PBS version was fantastic and I think me and Ethan saw the same one because I also saw this version just before Easter.

Ally, Monday, 7 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Ahh, so you did decide.

Dave M., Tuesday, 8 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Jesus Christ Superstar is a great bombastic track in itself, but the rest of it ('cept I Don't Know How To Love Him) is seven shades of pants. Religion = rubbish in musicals (Godspell - agh!)

My Musical obsession is pretty much reserved for Rogers & Hammerstein. C'Mon South Pacific anyone. Happy Talk, Wash That Man Right out Of My Hair. Sound OF Music - especially Goatherd (never gets a reprise unlike the rest of the tracks, which makes the film a bit too long). The appearance of Singalong-A-Sound Of Music in London has been a rejuvenating thing for the whole idea of musicals. It reintroduces the idea of them actually being a whole shedload of fun.

Oaklahoma is top mad skills too, not to mention Pal Joey (not R&H but Sinatra's finest Musical moment). And I'm off to see Kiss Me Kate tonight at the NFT in the origianl 3-D. Unfortunately I don't have stereoscopic vision, but the gaudy nonsensical idea of a musical filmed in 3-D will keep me going.

Oh, and Candide is a very funny piece of musical theatre. "All's for the best" is in my top ten tracks of all time.

Destroy: Les Mis, without compunction. Especially since it has managed to destroy the book in popular culture terms. Oh and Notre Dame de Paris, especially "I've Got A Hunch About You". It might as well have been the Planet Of The Apes musical on The Simpsons (worth inclusion for "You'll Never Make A Monkey Out Of Me").

Pete, Tuesday, 8 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Search: "Gypsy". For Ethel Merman, basically. Her character has a nervous breakdown in the last song, "Rose's Turn", it's really incredible! Very punk. I say search anything Ethel Merman's in. Also, I love "JC Superstar" , there are quite a few happening tunes, such as "Blood Money", "What's the Buzz?" and "Damned for all Time". That's the original version, of course, with the guy who sang "Smoke on the Water" as Jesus. Ted Neeley sounds like David Clayton Thomas from Blood Sweat & Tears. That's not my Jesus, baby! As for song-oriented movie soundtracks, I love the swinging London fairy tale "Smashing Time" w/ Lynn Redgrave and Rita Tushingham, as well as "Starstruck" the Australian new wave film. And the "Beyond the Valley of the Dolls" soundtrack.

Destroy: "Godspell". And yeah, the rest of Andrew Lloyd Webber's stuff has got to go. I do remember dancing wildly to the Disco Evita version of "High Flying Adored", though, when I was a dizzy madcap teen. I didn't know where the song came from, I just thought it had a cool, queeny chorus.

Arthur, Thursday, 10 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Re: The Breakfast Club as a musical. Hopefully it should still go ahead at some point, although it may just be a straight play now rather than a musical, I can't remember. Murdoch was very keen on it though, that I do remember. I don't recall Pastel being mentioned though. At least I hope not. I have been mistaken for gay, however I know virtually nothing about musicals. Can you explain, Nick?

Ally C, Friday, 11 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Nonetheless, Cookie, there's a part waiting for you in !PAPERCUTS!.

the pinefox, Monday, 21 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

You're getting your logic in a twist, Ally C. All zerbras are mammals, but not all mammals are zebras.

Nick, Monday, 21 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Some zebras are zerbras. Not a lot of people know that.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 23 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

shut up

Nick, Wednesday, 23 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Search: Cabaret, Umbrellas of Cherbourg, Hedwig and the angry inch, Seeny Todd, Music Man , Mame Destroy: Andrew Lloyd Webber, Everyone says i love you, grease , Xanadau , How to succed in buisness without really trying

anthony, Wednesday, 23 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Allow me to add my Half A Sixpence's worth...

If you have even the vaguest interest in the art of writing songs that use the English language to its fullest, you have to investigate Sondheim, the lyricist's lyricist. Simple as that.

DESTROY: Ticket prices. Thirty quid plus for a decent seat? Not exactly music for the masses, is it? Cheaper to get the original cast CD to pore over repeatedly in the comfort of your own cave.

SEARCH: Sunday In The Park With George (truly beautiful), Assassins (truly tap dancing Lee Harvey Oswald plus love song to Charles Manson), Follies (includes "Losing My Mind" as covered by Pet Shop Boys/Liza Minnelli, Company, A Little Night Music (includes "Send In The Clowns"), West Side Story (Sondheim & Bernstein). Also any Sondheim revue CDs that mop up his best songs, eg Side By Side By Sondheim.

AVOID (until you've developed a taste for him): Sweeney Todd, Into The Woods, Pacific Overtures, Merrily We Roll Along.

NON-SONDHEIM:

SEARCH: Cabaret - wonderful film, peerless tunes, essential soundtrack. Barbra Striesand's "Broadway Album". Man Of La Mancha. Pirates Of Penzance & The Mikado... light operas being the forerunners of the musical. That 80s pop film of "Pirates" with Angela Lansbury, Kevin Kline, and Linda Rondstadt is a riot. Also: any musical by Cole Porter, especially High Society, and anything by Rogers and Hart, especially Pal Joey.

DESTROY: "Billy the Kid and the Green Baize Vampire" - early 80s film musical featuring a singing Phil Daniels, Dracula, and, um, snooker. I'm sure it looked good at the planning stage.

Have you heard Liza Minnelli's 70s version of "Dancing In The Moonlight"? As in the Toploader song. You should.

Regarding a musical of The Breakfast Club, I would like to point out that I have Molly Ringwald's dance moves down to a "t", and am available at very short notice for understudy duties.

I have to go, I'm late for the "half"...

Dickon Edwards, Thursday, 24 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I knew it was a band called King Harvest (who I really should have put in the "worst band name" thread an eternity ago), but *Liza Minnelli*?

Phew, Dickon. This is quite a concept to swallow. But intriguing.

Robin Carmody, Thursday, 24 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

On behalf of my mom (who for some reason keeps calling me and emailing me things she wants me to tell "the online people", as if the idiot can't do it herself):

The Terror of Tiny Town is quite possibly the best musical of all time. Click on the link and you can watch the film - ALL OF IT. Including the Marlene Dietrich whore midget. Apparently, this is the film she is watching right now on television; Arizona, you know?

Ally, Thursday, 7 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

two months pass...
Search: The Phantom of The Opera, Carousel, The Producers, Kiss Me Kate, I love most musicals

DESTROY: HOW TO SUCCEED IN BUSINESS WITHOUT REALLY TRYING - I just finished an excruitiatingly long month run of that show and I now despise it with everything that I have. If I had to sing "A Secretary is Not a Toy", cha-cha to "Coffee Break", or listen to the ever-so-annoying song "Old Ivy" again I think I would have died.

Rachael, Tuesday, 14 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

four months pass...
Search:High society, The Threepenny Opera, My Fair Lady Destroy: South Pacific. With extreme prejudice. I painted the scenery for my pyscho-slut ex girlfriend's school stage production (she was the art teacher, not a pupil)in a desperate attempt to salvage our relationship, and badly rendered palm trees are forever linked in my mind to the sure and certain knowledge that I am being cuckolded. Grrrr. Incidentally, my mother first hooked up with the man that would be my father because she thought he looked like Robert Morse, the male lead from 'How to Succeed in Business...' so I have laways had a certain affection for that show.

gavin, Friday, 4 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I think "Badly rendered palm trees are forever linked in my mind to the sure and certain knowledge that I am being cuckolded" could be the best opening line to a novel.... EVAH!

Edna Welthorpe, Mrs, Friday, 4 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Search: the Gospel at Colonus. And hold onto it once you've found it. The VHS is nearly impossible to come by and is simply phenomenal. Destroy: oh, I dunno - South Pacific?

John Darnielle, Friday, 4 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I'll agree with those people who said that South Pacific should be destroyed. I thought the proper version of it done by professional actors/singers was bad enough but in 1995-ish I was unlucky enough to be in the audience for a truly horrednous youth theatre production of it. It was just so limp and weak and tedious GOD the BOREDOM!

Me and my mum were there - we watched the first half, and then at the interval when we came out for drinks I decided I couldn't bring myself to go back in, and just walked out of the theatre. My mum ran after me, and then when she was outside she seemed to realise it was best if we slip away. So we walked out of the place, back to the car park, into our car, and drove all the way back home without saying a word to each other.

Chris Lyons, Friday, 4 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Probably I already said West Side Story upthread. Impossible, in fact, that I didn't. (Hey, this prose is turning into Alan Bennett.)

I'll say it again just to stir up controversy and encourage youths to fight in playgrounds.

the pinefox, Saturday, 5 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Personally I really enjoyed "Topsy-Turvy," the Mike Leigh movie about Gilbert & Sullivan and "The Mikado." and search: Marianne & Ferdinand randomly singing goofy songs in "Pierrot le fou." too much fun.

Isn't "Jesus Christ Superstar" supposed to be ridiculous? I mean.. er.. I had this notion it wasn't meant to be taken seriously, is that not the case?

daria gray, Saturday, 5 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Search: The musicals I grew up with, my parents really loved them and listened to them all the time - they seem so familliar: The Music Man, The Wiz, Grease, All that Jazz, Cabaret, and Chicago. (my parents let me observe Fosse stuff even though it was racy! I never even noticed the sexual content until I was older) My sister and I especially loved The Wiz!!! We acted out the parts for our parents - She was the eating trash cans and the Lion (singing the song "Mean old Lion" in her pajamas ) and I was Dorothy and the Scarecrow (gotta love Michael Jackson)

Destroy: Please gey rid of Cats, Les Mis. and Miss Saigon! In college in London all my friends would sing those deppressing songs - I wanted to slit my wrists!

Chrissy, Thursday, 10 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

all musicals are insipid crap. sorry.

g, Thursday, 10 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

maddie's evita is gorgeous, as is dancer in the dark.

geoff, Thursday, 10 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

four months pass...
What Jimmy said, search Everyone Says I Love You.

Josh, Sunday, 19 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

"The Nightmare Before Christmas" is a great film, with suitably brilliant music.

Nick, Sunday, 19 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

my high school english and chorus teachers wrote their own musical once. it was called "tianenman" or, more precisely, "tianenman!" and it was about exactly what you think it's about. the execution was some sort of ungodly hybrid of les mis and miss saigon (except instead of a helicopter, there was a tank which was really a golf cart covered in cardboard). and the lyrics!:"sometimes the masses won't get off their asses"; "this man will teach you how// to heed the words of mao". in the performance i saw, not all the exploding pellets from an action scene had fully burst and actors kept on stepping on the leftovers for the rest of the show.

so yeah, search that: it's classic!

dave k, Sunday, 19 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

one year passes...
White Christmas is better than I used to imagine.

But how does it match up against Holiday Inn?

the snowfox, Wednesday, 24 December 2003 17:01 (twenty years ago) link

three years pass...

You people hate Sondheim?

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEYEROOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

roxymuzak, Friday, 23 November 2007 10:22 (sixteen years ago) link

I recently saw "Spamalot" in London and that one is to be searched for certain. If not necessarily mainly for the music, that is.....

Geir Hongro, Friday, 23 November 2007 12:31 (sixteen years ago) link

What, a non-musical post?

Yeah, I saw Spamalot in January. It was alright I suppose.

Mark G, Friday, 23 November 2007 12:32 (sixteen years ago) link

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0055572/

the pinefox, Friday, 23 November 2007 18:55 (sixteen years ago) link

Thank you for posting that Elaine Stritch thing, poortheatre! That's incredible!

roxymuzak, Friday, 23 November 2007 21:23 (sixteen years ago) link

I will comment only on Broadway musicals, not movie musicals.

Search: Sweeney Todd--Demon Barber of Fleet Street, Assassins, Company, Spring Awakening, A Chorus Line, Into the Woods (sorry I'm throwing so much Sondheim in here), Jesus Christ Superstar, Evita, Ragtime, Kiss Me Kate, Chicago....too many to list

Destroy: Wedding Singer (one of the worst musicals I ever saw--broadway, not movie), Pajama Game, Babes in Arms, ehh...

Bo Jackson Overdrive, Sunday, 25 November 2007 14:36 (sixteen years ago) link

two years pass...

People are too serious when commenting on musicals. Why does everyone hate Andrew Lloyd Webber so much? By the way, I despise "Grease".

Lawn Cheney (u s steel), Thursday, 21 January 2010 11:41 (fourteen years ago) link

I love "Jesus Christ Superstar" and that is Andrew Lloyd Webber! But I think the hatred probably comes from getting "Phantom of the Opera" songs stuck in your head all the time as a teenager because it was the only musical anyone knew and people liked singing it WAY too much. He really writes earworms.

Maria, Thursday, 21 January 2010 14:34 (fourteen years ago) link

four months pass...

Just saw the London production of 'Hair' (with the Broadway cast) - http://hairthemusical.co.uk.

Really liked it - especially the good singing voices - and the real surprise was that the plot kind of made sense this time. I saw the Old Vic production back in 1993 and they made a bit of a mess of it.

Also thanks England team - cheapest seats upgraded to really good ones at no extra charge last night.

Will probably go again before this production ends.

Bob Six, Saturday, 19 June 2010 12:20 (thirteen years ago) link

five months pass...

Generally I'm not into musicals but there are a couple that I love to death.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmR6ozpksGY&feature=related

˙❤‿❤˙˙❤‿❤˙ (ENBB), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 20:07 (thirteen years ago) link

oh man I just teared watching this one - ilu Jerry!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEW1F9kZ-UE&feature=related

˙❤‿❤˙˙❤‿❤˙ (ENBB), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 20:09 (thirteen years ago) link

one of the songs cut was like a powerful second act song that many people used as like audition pieces/etc. was very surprised.

cancel culture club (Neanderthal), Thursday, 17 June 2021 04:30 (two years ago) link

weirdly, no songs were added, either, which is usually a ploy to become Oscars-eligible for Best Original Song. almost all movie musicals have at least one song added (Hairspray had several)

cancel culture club (Neanderthal), Thursday, 17 June 2021 04:31 (two years ago) link

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/16/arts/dance/in-the-heights-dance.html

Scott, who comes from the street dance world of Los Angeles and is not Latino, worked with a team of associate choreographers who specialized in a range of styles, including Latin dance, hip-hop, ballet and contemporary dance
...
His team of associate choreographers is solid: Eddie Torres Jr. for Latin dance, with Princess Serrano as assistant Latin choreographer; Ebony Williams for ballet, contemporary dance, Afro and dancehall; Emilio Dosal, a popper who is versatile in many styles and brings the hip-hop element to the film; and Dana Wilson, who had a hand in everything — like all of the choreographers — but specifically worked with the actors to help them nail the physicality of their characters.

curmudgeon, Thursday, 17 June 2021 16:46 (two years ago) link

Above NY Times article is on the dance aspect and not the songs as referenced above

curmudgeon, Thursday, 17 June 2021 16:48 (two years ago) link


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