Love - Forever Changes Poll

I voted for "Daily Planet"!

But I couldn't be unhappy with any set of results

I wanted to stage a rally or protest since my pick A House is Not A Motel didn't win. But I can't really complain since I liked all the candidates and feel that each gave their best effort and to lose to both You Set the Scene and Alone Again Or means that most people who voted probably got to the end of the album and that's very encouraging for all of us as we move into the future together.

Thank You. Now, c'mon, isn't it about time some wiseacre comes along and tells us why Reel to Real or whatever it's called is the REAL masterpiece. I'm game.

So any road: Now there's a "Collectors Edition" due shortly.

Disc 1 = Original stereo mix

Disc 2 = Stereo mix made in 1970 and used ever since, and also some extra tracks:

12. Wonder People (I Do Wonder) [outtake/previously unreleased]
13. Hummingbirds [demo/previously unreleased]
14. House Is Not A Motel [backing track/previously unreleased]
15. Andmoreagain [alt. electric backing track/previously unreleased]
16. Red Telephone
17. Woolly Bully [outtake/previously unreleased]
18. Alone Again Or [mono single mix]
19. Your Mind And We Belong Together [tracking sessions highlights]
20. Your Mind And We Belong Together
21. Laughing Stock

Woolly Bully [outtake/previously unreleased]

I'm thinking I could probably live without this

Well, I have the FC CD with the extra tracks, which are most of those, a Forever Changes Concert CD and DVD also, and I also got the original mono vinyl recently.

I think I'll make do with the downloads.

Woolly Bully [outtake/previously unreleased]

I'm thinking I could probably live without this

-- Tom D., Tuesday, April 1, 2008 3:15 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

hahaha yep. paid for this TWICE now, that's yer lot.

I'd be interesting to hear a mix of "Alone Again Or" with Bryan MacLean's lead vocal intact, before it was wiped, but that probably doesn't even exist anymore. So yeah, this looks pretty damn redundant. They managed to fit most of that stuff on a single disc last time 'round...

I've owned this 3 times but not buying it again.

I'd be interesting to hear a mix of "Alone Again Or" with Bryan MacLean's lead vocal intact, before it was wiped, but that probably doesn't even exist anymore.

Closest you can get is his solo version from 1972

Really? Never even heard of that! Oh, and I meant to say "IT'D be interesting". Or "I'd be interested", that works too.

I've owned it FOUR times since '86! ($0.25 for my first one, which had no cover.)

I've owned it three times - vinyl in 86 (the weird pressing which didn't fade out "A house is not a motel" so it just solo-d and solo-d until it just STOPPED - anyone else have this?), CD in 88 and remastered CD a few years back. My brother had original mono and stereo LPs, both CDs I had, and the "Love Story" double CD which had it in full as well.

On the one hand, my heart is thinking it's a good idea and I'd probably want it. On the other hand, my head (and wallet) are saying "Why bother?"

(the weird pressing which didn't fade out "A house is not a motel" so it just solo-d and solo-d until it just STOPPED - anyone else have this?)

I had this. I thought that's what it did on the original record? I thought it was changed to the fadeout for later reissues (like not fading out the title track on "Marquee Moon" - boo!)

Apparantly not. The real version fades out, but there were pressings made in the 80s which didn't fade out. In fact it makes for a better ending, I think.

Are you sure?

Absolutely. That's why my brother ended up buying the original mono and stereo LPs, to find out. I had my weird pressing first, then bought "Love Masters" which had the faded version, which intrigued me and my brother enough to get the original albums (he found them before I did). I remember reading about the weird pressing a few years back in a Fred Dellar page in Mojo or something like that. The full 'unfaded' version has never been issued on CD.

Strange! I prefer the abrupt ending too!

So, presumably, one of the discs will have this unfaded version.

Presumably two, track 14 (instrumental version) will not fade at the end...

so far on the extra disc--more piano in some cases, vocal mixes different, etc. "Wolly Bully" is cool; and it is only too bad that Love did not do it as a rock n roll tune instead of the folk-rock they play it as. on the other hand, Arthur Lee doing Sam the Sham and being a little embarrassed about it, therefore rendering it as folk-rock singalong, reminds me of his fellow Memphis native Alex Chilton doing the Kinks on Third. concept. FC is a great album.

But is there a version of "A house is not a motel" that doesn't fade out???

who is "Andmoreagain" written about?

one of Arthur Lee's girlfriends wasn't it...?

Really? Never even heard of that! Oh, and I meant to say "IT'D be interesting". Or "I'd be interested", that works too.

It's on the Ifyoubelievein CD that came out a couple years back
http://www.bryanmaclean.com/album/ifyoubelieveinalbum.htm

and the "Love Story" double CD which had it in full as well

Shit, I totally forgot about that one...Alright, I've bought Forever Changes FIVE times! No more, I swear.

This latest version is on Rhapsody, so I finally got to hear it (wasn't going to buy another reissue either).

What's funny is that while the alternate mix definitely isn't "better" or anything, it's different enough from what I'm used to that it's letting me hear the album w/somewhat fresh ears. Kinda wish that alternate mixes like this existed for a lot of other albums that I've played to death.

Wonder if it's on Spotify. I've owned this album at least 4 times and I don't really want to buy it again whether it's my fave album of all time or not.

it's different enough from what I'm used to that it's letting me hear the album w/somewhat fresh ears

so true
i heard the instrumental a house is not a motel and it was one of those things where the slightest variation means you're seeing something anew. so great

urgh, please stop, you are making me want to buy this deluxe edition. maybe i can just d/l from itunes ... like other people on this thread, i already own Forever Changes in multiple formats ...

by the time that I'm through singin'
the bells from the schools of walls will be ringin'
more confusion
blood transfusions
the news today will be the movies of tomorrow
and the waters turn to blood
and if you don't think so
go turn on your tub

down on door-stop boulevard it
never fails to bring me down
the sirens and the accidents and
for a laugh, there's plastic nancy
she's real fancy
with her children
they'll go far, she
buys them toys to
keep in practice
Waiting on the war...

(had I voted, I would've voted ^this)

What is happening and how have you been?

doing...good...?

sorry for the revive, just been listening to this album and wanted to invite others to sing along to choice parts...

(the attention does feel kind of nice though)

Making me want to listen again tbh

life goes on here
day after day
i don't know if i am living
or if i'm supposed to be
sometimes my life is so eerie
and if you think i'm happy
paint me (yellow) white

Disc 1 = Original stereo mix

Disc 2 = Stereo mix made in 1970 and used ever since

― Mark G, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 14:11 (3 years ago)

Is this right? This mix is so different and not preferable in my opinion. What versions of the album used this mix previously?

I guess it would make sense if the mix did come from 1970. The acoustic guitars cannot carry this album, though.

Kind of shocked to find out this is the version a lot of people have been listening to for a long time.

i wonder if the vinyl version my older brother had was the original mix. i remember listening to it for the first time, and the guitars on "live and let live" just leaping out of the speaker, which i don't feel like i've experienced with the rhino reissue from around 2000 or so.

The clips on iTunes will give you a good idea. The acoustic guitars are separated and dominate the stereo field much more on the "alternate mix."

yeah i'll check 'em out.

OK, just reading about it and I don't think the "alternate mix" was actually used before. The story about it is interesting:

http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/archive/index.php/t-235272.html

The "catch groove" ending on "Andmoreagain" used to bug me, the 'alt'mix has a normal ending.

I don't know which I prefer.

Always overlooked The Daily Planet but it keeps getting stuck in my head now.

I always wondered, is that Neil Young playing electric on that? The breaking-up-feedback bit?

i don't think so (at least I've never heard that he actually played on the record) -- what is it, he's credited with "arranging" the song?

Producing it, I think?

from wiki: "Originally, the album was to be produced by Botnick and Neil Young, but Young bowed out due to his commitments to Buffalo Springfield. However, according to the liner notes of the 1995 compilation Love Story, Young did stick with the album project long enough to arrange the track "The Daily Planet"."

I remember reading an interview with Arthurly years ago and him saying that Neil Young was brought into produce the album and how the rest of the band were all crying because they were too strung out to play - 'cept he didn't say Neil Young, he said "What was the name of that dude who sung "I've been to Redwood, I've been to Inglewood?"

Weird...for some reason, I remember seeing him credited with "lead guitar" on one song, but can't remember where I saw that. Also, wikipedia sez Jim Gordon played drums on "The Daily Planet," but I coulda sworn it was Hal Blaine (sounds more like Blaine anyway).

The sessions began in June 1967, with the group (except for Lee and Maclean) replaced by well-known Los Angeles session musicians Billy Strange (guitar), Don Randi (piano), Hal Blaine (drums) and most likely Carol Kaye (bass). This studio line-up was put in place due to the regular line-up's alleged inability to function. The two tracks recorded during these sessions, "Andmoreagain" and "The Daily Planet", were later given sparing overdubs by the actual members of Love, who felt the tracks otherwise sufficed.
Botnick recalls that the use of session musicians "sparked" the band, and they "realized they had blown it, got their act together and recorded the rest of the album". After much rehearsal, the group resumed work in August and continued through September, quickly laying down the remaining nine tracks, with a total estimated cost at $2,257.

Still have not heard that version of “A House Is Not a Motel” with the sudden stop, predating “I Want You (She’s So Heavy)” by a good two years. That’s how the song originally was supposed to end but they were talked out of it by Elektra. HOWEVER, it did appear on some obscure ‘80s Canadian pressing of the album.

The version I had must have been obscure and Canadian in that case... except I'm pretty sure it wasn't.

When I bought a vinyl reissue of Forever Changes in England in the 1980s , it definitely had the sudden stop version of A House is Not a Motel and for a long time I thought that was the ONLY version.

This fan remix/remaster is pretty awesome

https://www.profstoned.com/2022/08/love-forever-changes-remixed-prof.html