Why Vinyl Can't Survive

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i can't imagine every doing something because tiesto did it too

a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Thursday, 17 August 2006 17:26 (seventeen years ago) link

er, ever doing

a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Thursday, 17 August 2006 17:26 (seventeen years ago) link

To some extent doesn't the obsessive completist nature of music collectors come into play for many individuals who choose to collect vinyl? Compares these scenarios:

Person #1: "Yay, I just downloaded the entire Trapez catalogue. All that hard work was totally worth it!"

Person #2: "Yay, I just found that elusive Perlon 12” I've been looking for. Now I have every release. All that hard work was totally worth it!"

I dunno about anybody else, but the *feeling* I get from looking at a crate of records in the corner of my bedroom knowing full well the time and money spent searching for some of them is quite a bit more satisfying than looking at my hard drive full of mp3s, awesome though they may be.

Trace Henry (Trace), Thursday, 17 August 2006 18:12 (seventeen years ago) link

Trace OTM.

Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Thursday, 17 August 2006 18:44 (seventeen years ago) link

honestly, mp3s have made me buy more vinyl...it's kinda nice now, cuz i can buy something new on vinyl for home use than find it on the internet for my ipod....best of both worlds.

M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 17 August 2006 18:47 (seventeen years ago) link

I agree matt...if anything, mpfree's had caused me to stop buying CD's and use all my money on vinyl

Sir Dr. Rev. PappaWheelie Jr. II of The Third Kind (PappaWheelie 2), Thursday, 17 August 2006 18:48 (seventeen years ago) link

the *feeling* I get from looking at a crate of records in the corner of my bedroom knowing full well the time and money spent searching for some of them is quite a bit more satisfying than looking at my hard drive full of mp3s, awesome though they may be

Personally I'd think, "Hey nice, now I can spend my time and money on stuff like, say, food. And travel. Etc." would trump said feeling several times over. At least that's how *I* feel!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 17 August 2006 18:51 (seventeen years ago) link

600 CD's = 6 feet of valuable Manhattan apartment space that I'm paying $600 extra for

600 Records = 6 months Club Play. I'm paid to change each song.

26,000 MP3's = 16 years of home listening. Software changes song for free

Sir Dr. Rev. PappaWheelie Jr. II of The Third Kind (PappaWheelie 2), Thursday, 17 August 2006 18:56 (seventeen years ago) link

you have a cold hard heart though.

having said that, i certainly don't look back fondly on the time and money involved. i would be much happier if i had found them all in someone's basement for free. free records are the best. soon followed by records for a quarter, records for fifty cents, records for a dollar, etc.

x-post to ned the un-romantic.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 17 August 2006 18:58 (seventeen years ago) link

i just moved,or should i say paid the guys from the AA house around the corner 20 buxx each to heft many boxes down 3 flights of stairs to my new mega mall(347 warren st hudson ny)..they would have rather been hefting mp3s but u cant stop drinking and then not start cheap labor for hippies,i havent seen a slowdown in lps being bought and im in a micro market.even old dudes want recxords,they get all drunked up at th fancy restaurant and buy meditations mono coltrane records for 30 buxx from my wall and then prolly leave it in the car and never listen to it..i actually had a sheriff tell me he doubted my old landlord would want to take posession of my stuff cuzz it was too heavy to drag to a storage space.i dont sell new vinyl and am glad about that .otherwise i would be awash in get back reissues and espers jamz.vinyl cant survive rhetoric.vinyl cant survive sunshine.

dan bunnybrain (dan bunnybrain), Thursday, 17 August 2006 21:12 (seventeen years ago) link

those boxes of records make me think about death alot more than mp3's do.

exactly HOW LONG has the death of vinyl been predicted? i still think vinyl production will outlive CD production.

jed_ (jed), Thursday, 17 August 2006 21:33 (seventeen years ago) link

you have a cold hard heart though.

Yay! Er, wait.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 17 August 2006 21:35 (seventeen years ago) link

whats so deathly bout a wall of wax?

dan bunnybrain (dan bunnybrain), Thursday, 17 August 2006 21:37 (seventeen years ago) link

you can't take it with you, unlike mp3s

a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Thursday, 17 August 2006 21:43 (seventeen years ago) link

man....i dunno...the other night i had a cocktail and listened to steely dan on vinyl. that's fucking life affirming as hell.

M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 17 August 2006 21:51 (seventeen years ago) link

ask any major dude, they'll tell you.

M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 17 August 2006 21:52 (seventeen years ago) link

12" 45RPM played on good needles through a good system = best sound ever, man

Alicia Titsovich (sexyDancer), Thursday, 17 August 2006 21:53 (seventeen years ago) link

"dead records. does it not sound like dead men?"

the wall of wax (great pics btw) just makes me think about the pointlessness of accumulation & the inevitability of death. at least mp3's are already virtually nothing.

jed_ (jed), Thursday, 17 August 2006 21:56 (seventeen years ago) link

vinyl will live on

tapes, on the other hand, I just chucked out a huge trash bag full of 'em

dmr (Renard), Thursday, 17 August 2006 22:05 (seventeen years ago) link

the wall of wax (great pics btw) just makes me think about the pointlessness of accumulation & the inevitability of death. at least mp3's are already virtually nothing.

easy bro, that's some heavy jive yr layin' down.

M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 17 August 2006 22:29 (seventeen years ago) link

fuck buddhism i want records.

GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Thursday, 17 August 2006 22:29 (seventeen years ago) link

mp3s are the way to enlightenment, my brother.

there is no wishbone ash in the afterlife.

M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 17 August 2006 22:31 (seventeen years ago) link

"Have you ever thought that, like, our whole universe might be like one atom in the fingernail of this enormous being?"

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f7/RussianRainbowGathering_4Aug2005.jpg/180px-RussianRainbowGathering_4Aug2005.jpg

M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 17 August 2006 22:33 (seventeen years ago) link

i was over at wayne's house tonight, and man, i want his rekkerds big time. not all of them. but lots of them. i covet that shit in a big way. and meanwhile, he has like 10 zillion CDs and i don't want any of them. you know? unless i could trade them in for records. dude has thousands of dollars worth of singles crammed into this old moldy wooden box. i have half a mind to go over there and put new sleeves on them and clean them up and put them in proper boxes. oh yeah, i would! dangerhouse singles up the wazoo.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 18 August 2006 00:08 (seventeen years ago) link

wayne has a copy of this:

http://www.popsike.com/php/detaildata.php?itemnr=4795374289


i've never heard it! i still haven't. i'm gonna get him to make me a copy.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 18 August 2006 00:10 (seventeen years ago) link

"Have you ever thought that, like, our whole universe might be like one atom in the fingernail of this enormous being?"

M@TT, please keep in mind that cocktails are not smoked

Sir Dr. Rev. PappaWheelie Jr. II of The Third Kind (PappaWheelie 2), Friday, 18 August 2006 00:13 (seventeen years ago) link

can you get any of these on CD, cuz this is what i have been digging all week:

rough diamond - s/t

golden avatar - a change of heart

bell & james - only make believe

vance or towers - s/t (awesome rekkerd! 1975. A&M Records)

karen alexander - voyager (also awesome! elektra. 1978.)

tiger - goin' down laughing

trigger - s/t

john randolph marr - s/t (a nilsson house production. and nilsson fans would certainly dig it.)

susan barlow - s/t

romanelli - connecting flight

queen samantha - the letter

the reggie knighton band - s/t

the max demian band - take it to the max (i would definitely buy this on cd. my copy is kinda crappy.)

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 18 August 2006 00:34 (seventeen years ago) link

thats why u have to have at least one kinderspring in yur lifetime.both me and skot have children that will be th recipients of lots of records.so th cycle of life goes on .and pointlessness becomes points.talking points at partys."u know what my fucking dad did instead of leaving me a huge sum of money?he left me thousands of fucking records!!fuck him"..i just bougfht 2500 house records and i dont even like house.or more apt i know nothing about house.

dan bunnybrain (dan bunnybrain), Friday, 18 August 2006 00:56 (seventeen years ago) link

i bought rufus 15 trucker/truckdriving comps. minty shape. he dug them. so did i. i gotta get him his own player. he broke the one i gave him when he was just a toddler. he could handle it now.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 18 August 2006 01:01 (seventeen years ago) link

dan, lovely accidental photocollage above

mentalismé (sanskrit), Friday, 18 August 2006 01:58 (seventeen years ago) link

15,000 dollar turntables can't win!:


http://www.needledoctor.com/s.nl/it.A/id.680/.f?sc=2&category=791

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 18 August 2006 02:33 (seventeen years ago) link

so cool:

http://www.roksan.co.uk/Radius5Photos/radius5_01_JPG.html

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 18 August 2006 02:36 (seventeen years ago) link

$73,750 turntable:

http://stereophile.com/turntables/258/

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 18 August 2006 02:39 (seventeen years ago) link

wtf?:

http://www.needledoctor.com/s.nl/it.A/id.1973/.f?sc=2&category=45

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 18 August 2006 02:39 (seventeen years ago) link

el cheapo origami version

http://www.simonelvins.com/paper_record.html

Good Dog (Good Dog), Friday, 18 August 2006 02:41 (seventeen years ago) link

This dude owns one!

http://cgi.audioasylum.com/systems/663.html

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 18 August 2006 02:44 (seventeen years ago) link

that is a scary-ass room. you would think he could afford a better carpet. doesn't the carpet muffle his acooooooooooooustics? i just want his records.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 18 August 2006 02:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Construction of "the audio barn" details here:

http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue16/lavigneroom.htm

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 18 August 2006 02:52 (seventeen years ago) link

audiophiles are such dorks.

GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Friday, 18 August 2006 03:00 (seventeen years ago) link

A friend--a mastering and recording engineer with an exceptionally good studio system that includes Aerial 10Ts--came over with Sting's Nothing Like the Sun. He swore that he knew every lick and musical note on "Englishman in New York," and wanted to hear what $75,000 got you. At the end, he knew. "I heard licks I never knew were there, and now I know what brand of skins were on those drums. I never could tell that before."

Mark (MarkR), Friday, 18 August 2006 03:40 (seventeen years ago) link

A conductor friend (who is also an audiophile) brought over a few of his own recordings to listen to... now here is someone with a correct reference. After an hour or so and three or four of his recordings, he turned to me and said, "Yes, that is the way it was."

So great...it's like when the Pope gave his blessing to The Passion of the Christ. "It is as it was," baby.

Mark (MarkR), Friday, 18 August 2006 03:45 (seventeen years ago) link

My little take:
1. Tiesto is SO FULL OF SHIT HE FUCKING DJs AT CASINOS IN ATLANTIC CITY ENOUGH SAID.

2. CDs are teh worst. As in, I have more problems with CDs and their players than I have ever had with any of my vinyl, new or used, or my record players. Obviously, I get why CDs can be truly excellent in certain situations.

3. IPods suck the joy out of music simply because of their awful interface. I can't deal with that shit-- scrolling scrolling scrolling accidentally touch something with the nub of your finger and fuck the song's changed and it's totally jarring. Unless I win one in some contest, I can't see myself ever owning one.

4. Since people relate to music and music-as-object in different ways, any sort of argument here is sort of silly. I like records and mp3s and tapes. You might not. But we might listen to the same things and feel similarly about them. So what is the debate about? Nobody's going to stop buying records, and the plants will keep making them as long as there is some demand. At least in other parts of the world.

trees (treesessplode), Friday, 18 August 2006 04:40 (seventeen years ago) link

you know what $75,000 could get you? a decent system and 74,000 1-dollar records. i'm just saying.

GOD PUNCH TO AUDIOPHILIA = BULLSHIT (yournullfame), Friday, 18 August 2006 05:05 (seventeen years ago) link

my girlfriend's response: "what, like they encode extra music on the albums for fucking rich people?"

GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Friday, 18 August 2006 05:07 (seventeen years ago) link

scrolling scrolling scrolling accidentally touch something

shuffle shuffle shuffle all the great shit you put on there on shuffle

(also, playlists)

I love my iPod

but records are the best

also, god punch otm

dmr (Renard), Friday, 18 August 2006 05:12 (seventeen years ago) link

although I read somewhere last year that AT started to cheap out on materials so the new ones aren’t as good lol :-/

brimstead, Thursday, 11 February 2021 20:03 (three years ago) link

I got the AT-LP120X with Bluetooth.

AT turntables are supposed to be pretty good and totally classic.

Rocky Thee Stallion (PBKR), Friday, 12 February 2021 00:15 (three years ago) link

one month passes...

https://www.business-live.co.uk/manufacturing/first-vinyl-record-plant-factory-20329690

the last piece of news i expected to be reading today was a new vinyl plant opening in my shithole of a hometown. this is most curious. i was under the assumption that there are very few plants left operating internationally. at any rate, wonderful news

maelin, Saturday, 10 April 2021 13:16 (three years ago) link

that’s awesome

brimstead, Saturday, 10 April 2021 16:26 (three years ago) link


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