BEARDO DISCO (finally fixed for vahid) - not idjuts / lindstrom - harvey, rub'n'tug, map of africa

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I have no idea what any of this stuff is but I like it. DJ harvey is here in SF soon, i think.

adamrl (nordicskilla), Saturday, 14 January 2006 22:15 (eighteen years ago) link

it's tonight...

breakfast pants (disco stu), Saturday, 14 January 2006 22:38 (eighteen years ago) link

...oh

adamrl (nordicskilla), Saturday, 14 January 2006 22:39 (eighteen years ago) link

'underwater' is mega at the right speed. and breakfast pants, i've been playing the 'dirty lovin' out lots, well in glasgow anyway.

stirmonster (stirmonster), Sunday, 15 January 2006 00:13 (eighteen years ago) link

hey, could be off-topic but for those of you at home right now (in the US), Escape From New York is playing on the Spike network on cable.

i play this soundtrack a lot, but i've never seen the film. needless to say, tv volume is real high right now.

i don't know if that's "beardo house", but Carpenter certainly falls within that bumrocksy "LES dollar bin" aesthetic.

titty sanskrit (sanskrit), Sunday, 15 January 2006 01:04 (eighteen years ago) link

If only Carpenter had made a disco record! Or even better a disco record and film starring Kurt Russell. I guess the Escape From New York soundtrack has his highest beat content.

I have an Escape From LA UK 12" of drum and bass versions of the theme in my out pile at the minute. It's crap.

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Sunday, 15 January 2006 01:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Carpenter gets total props from the italo fiends. The End Credits were listed in last years top 100 all-time at the Cybernetic Broadcasting System.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Sunday, 15 January 2006 02:18 (eighteen years ago) link

oh yeah, it was on one of the Serie Noir comps as well.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Sunday, 15 January 2006 02:34 (eighteen years ago) link

movie was good. so i'm still a little unclear about this "beardo house" thing. Sounds like something undefined we wish we existed rather than an actual movement that is out there gaining momentum.

there's this italo/kosmiche/random obscuro DJing approach, then the Pica Pica Pica/Lift Boys/BD Cone Toaster/3xc3pt3r (dubious) beatmaking. I see them existing in parallel, but it's frustrating how they won't meet.

where is the point of common origin? Gottsching?

titty sanskrit (sanskrit), Sunday, 15 January 2006 03:58 (eighteen years ago) link

I've got a Rub 'n' Tug mix CD sitting around- a promo for the aNYthing clothing line, I think. It's got a lot of the same problems as the Eskimo mix (dropouts, sloppy mixing, etc.) but it's great nonetheless. I'll get a YSI up if anyone's interested.

telephone thing, Sunday, 15 January 2006 04:01 (eighteen years ago) link

that's just it, it's very vague. The tracklisting of the original Cosmic mixes include new wave, 80s pop, disco, kosmiche/krautrock, whatever. It's more about the vibe, man. I see that as being separate though from what I think of as Idjust/Harvey type thing which is more about drugged out disco meets classic rock kind of thing. Maybe it's just the order in which I was exposed to various things, but I never heard anyone talking about Cosmic before the italo revival, which is only peripherally related.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Sunday, 15 January 2006 04:30 (eighteen years ago) link

the bar i have a night at has built up a relationship with harvey, so we get him in 4 or 5 times a year, by the end of the night you've heard a billion kajillion tracks you'd kill to own. people love it when he does it, but to be honest, most of these records don't work when i play them, much as i love them. guess that's why he gets the big bucks.

firstworldman (firstworldman), Sunday, 15 January 2006 04:50 (eighteen years ago) link

not to be too cynical, but I'd say there's a lot to the "cult of the DJ" kinda thing. I mean, if the party is right, if the crowd is right, if I've learned anything, half the time the music is like, the 5th or 6th most important factor to a good time. I've seen Harvey play to empty rooms just like the rest of us...I mean, if a crowd comes for him, they'll be into it, but that's not always the case.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Sunday, 15 January 2006 05:00 (eighteen years ago) link

a YSI of that rub n' tug mix would be great, telephone thing. thx for the offer!

rajeev (rajeev), Sunday, 15 January 2006 06:53 (eighteen years ago) link

Sounds like something undefined we wish we existed rather than an actual movement that is out there gaining momentum.

But that's the best kind of movement! And all we need to do is get someone to write an article and then it'll be real! I might do it for Stylus.

Carpenter gets total props from the Italo fiends.

I knew this, I was just started imagining if he made a disco concept album with vocals (by famous people) and stuff. Someone should do a Broadway musical of Escape from New York or They Live.

I'd love a YSI Telephone Thing.

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Sunday, 15 January 2006 13:35 (eighteen years ago) link

Also, I have a beard. What does the beard itself signify or mean? That's the key.

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Sunday, 15 January 2006 13:57 (eighteen years ago) link

If only Carpenter had made a disco record!

you NEED this album: Unit Black Flight - Infiltration and Extraction

Yawn (Wintermute), Sunday, 15 January 2006 14:03 (eighteen years ago) link

(haha i knew i had done a thread on this topic before. took me forever to find because of the crappy title)

Yawn (Wintermute), Sunday, 15 January 2006 14:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Looks cool if ltd. (Which is why I'm d/ling from slsk. Oh well.)

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Sunday, 15 January 2006 16:24 (eighteen years ago) link

I thought I would share this Quiet Village Song,

Also, does Betty Botox fit into this Beardo Disco?

Jacobs (LolVStein), Sunday, 15 January 2006 19:43 (eighteen years ago) link

i thin betty botox is transsexual disco. she does have a wee bit of facial hair though.

stirmonster (stirmonster), Sunday, 15 January 2006 19:46 (eighteen years ago) link

think.

time for a new eyboard!

stirmonster (stirmonster), Sunday, 15 January 2006 19:55 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm having trouble figuring out the Tiscali site linked to above. The mixes and flyers all bring up "you do not have permission ... " messages, and the "Members Only" link just brings up an email to the administrator .... is there some kind of a sign-up? Am I just being dense? Thnx in advance. I'd like to hear some of those mixes.

Renard (Renard), Sunday, 15 January 2006 19:57 (eighteen years ago) link

http://s52.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2QL6VN3HR2UPG0VNF03E5NP9QN
here's the link for Quiet Village Project-Too High To Move

Jacobs (LolVStein), Sunday, 15 January 2006 20:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Can someone please post some more of these elusive treats? i'm itchin to hear 'black skin, blue eyed boys', and 'bb gun' + 'rodeo' by Bobby Marie - can't find them anywhere. Thnx in advance.

johnny jones, Sunday, 15 January 2006 20:32 (eighteen years ago) link

here's the dub of bobbie marie's 'bb gun'. it's kind of dumb, but i like it.

i don't have 'black skin, blue eyed boys' digitised.

stirmonster (stirmonster), Sunday, 15 January 2006 20:40 (eighteen years ago) link

black skin blue eyed boys was over at http://www.thefutureisprimitive.blogspot.com/
for a bit. i'm sure if you leave comment for a re-up mikey will oblige

jaime, Sunday, 15 January 2006 22:09 (eighteen years ago) link

just so you don't all think i'm crazy, i wasn't saying i thought underwater was crap at normal speed. i do think i like it slightly better slowed though. i dunno, it probably depends on the context in which it's played. film 2 by grauzone on the other hand, is probably the best example i can think of of a song that sounds more normal slowed down than at the right speed.

for those who absolutely need an id for something from one of those mixes, if you yousendit a clip and post it on djhistory, you can usually get an answer pretty quick. the most extensive cosmic threads on there mostly happened back in '03, so those guys have had the time to figure a lot of it out. it's only failed me once...

they also had a thread on beards recently.
http://www.djhistory.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13672

the relationship between italo disco and the cosmic scene, if you believe baldelli, was pretty nil. he says he didn't like or follow much of that stuff and was much more into the german electronic stuff. i think he said sky was his favorite label in that red bull interview.

for the tiscali site, you have to email the guy for a password. you may also have to download the opera browser if you aren't handy with ftp.

Graham Gouldman (Graham Gouldman), Monday, 16 January 2006 00:07 (eighteen years ago) link

firstworldman wrote "to be honest, most of these records don't work when i play them, much as i love them. guess that's why (harvey) gets the big bucks."

i think somebody once said, "it's not what you say, it's how you say it"

applies equally to djing i'd say.

Graham Gouldman (Graham Gouldman), Monday, 16 January 2006 00:13 (eighteen years ago) link

of course the stuff dan mentions also applies. i'm sure it doesn't hurt him that he often plays big rooms of people expecting to hear harveyesque tunes. i'm guessing it's a long road (involving plenty of empty rooms) to get to that point.

Graham Gouldman (Graham Gouldman), Monday, 16 January 2006 00:21 (eighteen years ago) link

Here's a Quiet Village mix linked in a recent Eskimo mailout. It's YSI, not a direct link, since I can't find the old email, but I'll post the link if I find it.

telephone thing, Monday, 16 January 2006 03:49 (eighteen years ago) link

Ah, never mind, I missed the earlier upload on the YSI thread. Use this one if the earlier one uses up its allotted bandwidth, I guess.

telephone thing, Monday, 16 January 2006 04:00 (eighteen years ago) link

film 2 by grauzone on the other hand, is probably the best example i can think of of a song that sounds more normal slowed down than at the right speed

otm. i much prefer it slowed down. not part of the cosmic thang but probably the most famous example of a song being slowed down and then becoming massive as a result is 'flesh' by a split second which was actually re released in its' 33.333 + 8 version.

stirmonster (stirmonster), Monday, 16 January 2006 04:39 (eighteen years ago) link

where can i buy a copy of the rub'n'tug mix?

francis izzy stradlin deth, Monday, 16 January 2006 06:55 (eighteen years ago) link

a split second is new beat right? i guess that probably wasn't the only thing that got slowed down in those clubs.

so, aside from jim burgess, i can't think of many examples of american djs doing the 45 @ 33 thing back in the day. anyone know of any other examples. i wonder if that would have happened more if it was more common to press 12"s at 45 here.

Graham Gouldman (Graham Gouldman), Monday, 16 January 2006 08:29 (eighteen years ago) link

"not part of the cosmic thang ..."

but some of the other new beat records were part of the cosmic thang? I listened to that Tutu mix yesterday and was surprised to hear Logic System and Carlos Peron one after the other.

Renard (Renard), Monday, 16 January 2006 15:11 (eighteen years ago) link

what's the story, that New Beat was heavily influenced by playing that A Split Second song slowed down? They were like an industrial band, Parralax View was a favorite of mine for a week or two. Now I prefer the movie.

I think the Cosmic thing was about whatever the hell fit. There's also crossover with the WBMX DJs, who certainly play faster and more italo-disco, but also play a lot of the new wave/pop oddities that show up in the Cosmic mixes as well.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 16 January 2006 16:58 (eighteen years ago) link

belgian dj marc grouls started playing 'flesh' at 33.3 and it had such an impact that all the djs started looking for tracks they could play slowed down until they decided it was easier to start producing their own - hence new beat.

i think the fact that most european 12"s are pressed at 45rpm as graham gouldman mentions is a big factor. i think djs all over europe have always done this. the reverse also happened - when the first breakbeat rave records (eg shut up and dance) started coming out, there were so few of them that it became common to play instrumentals of us hip hop records at 45 to fill out a set. i still play schoolly d instrumentals at 45 instead of 33.

stirmonster (stirmonster), Monday, 16 January 2006 17:11 (eighteen years ago) link

eg - schooly d's 'freestyle cutting' @ 45rpm

stirmonster (stirmonster), Monday, 16 January 2006 17:17 (eighteen years ago) link

schooly d's@ 45rpm

interesting... i can't say it really makes me feel like dancing. maybe in the right time and place - or with the right drugs.

i have to say it's much easier for me to like something slowed than sped up, but that just makes it more satisfying to find something that works sped up. i was messing around with the break from james gang funk #49 today. sounds pretty nice at 45 and then there's a pause at the end where the guitar comes back in where you can switch it back to 33 without being able to tell. some dj somewhere has to have figured that one out before though.

Graham Gouldman (Graham Gouldman), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 06:10 (eighteen years ago) link

thinking more about it, i'm realizing that, aside from the speed, what appeals to me about slowing stuff is the relative fidelity. if something is too slick sounding, slowing it dirties it up a bit. maybe it's all in my head, but, especially with a lot of digital recordings, i feel like taking it down from 16 bit to maybe 12 or so can make a world of difference.

conversely, with speeding things up, you get this condensed, almost shimmery or polished feel. a bit disconcerting sometimes.

Graham Gouldman (Graham Gouldman), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 06:18 (eighteen years ago) link

I've got a Rub 'n' Tug mix CD sitting around- a promo for the aNYthing clothing line, I think. It's got a lot of the same problems as the Eskimo mix (dropouts, sloppy mixing, etc.) but it's great nonetheless. I'll get a YSI up if anyone's interested.
-- telephone thing (ryanhuppa...), January 14th, 2006 8:01 PM.

YES PLEASE

vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 06:28 (eighteen years ago) link

FURTHER DISCUSSION TOPICS

BIG BEAR / FULL PUPP / HAIRY CLAW / BEAR FUNK / BEAR ENTERTAINMENT / ETC family

RONG MUSIC / THICK AS THIEVES / BEN COOK / DJ SPUN / DJ HARRY / ETC family

FREESTYLE LTD AND OTHER EVEN MORE OBSCURE RE-EDIT LABELS

the elusive UNIVERSAL INDIANN

A THEORETICAL MEETING-OF-MINDS WHERE CLASH+BLONDIE : RAMMELZEE + GRANDAMASTER FLASH :: HARVEY + IDJUTS, ETC : MOODYMANN + THEO P

vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 06:43 (eighteen years ago) link

I can also imagine some cats in Japan owning this thread three times for breakfast and we haven't heard of 'em yet.

blunt (blunt), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 09:24 (eighteen years ago) link

You might be interested in Hifana on the jap tip.

Jacob (Jacob), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 09:29 (eighteen years ago) link

*sigh*
Thanks

blunt (blunt), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 09:33 (eighteen years ago) link

A THEORETICAL MEETING-OF-MINDS WHERE CLASH+BLONDIE : RAMMELZEE + GRANDAMASTER FLASH :: HARVEY + IDJUTS, ETC : MOODYMANN + THEO P

The DJing on that Rub 'n' Tug CD sounds more like old Block Party hip hop tapes than it does any regular house DJing, a feeling intensified by the inclusion of the Bronx Dogs track that mashes up parts from Bambaataa's Death Mix

Also, the Re-sdit scene'll surely only get bigger as more people use digital equipment, whether CDs or Ableton Live or whatever (meaning, no need to press 'em to vinyl.)

Raw Patrick, logged out, Tuesday, 17 January 2006 10:31 (eighteen years ago) link

I sometimes think "Goettsching" on Full Pupp is the greatest track ever. I reckon Full Pupp will be a really huge label this year, and Todd Terje will be very big too.

Does Gamm fit into all of this? I guess not quite.

Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 11:48 (eighteen years ago) link

The re-edits scene is frustrating, for every track thats like, a cool re-imagining of a great old song, or even one that doesn't do too much harm to an old and perhaps rare favorite, there's too many who seem to not like the old songs for the same reason I do.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 13:36 (eighteen years ago) link

Terje's version of "I Can't Help It" is good - just a bit dreamier than the original (plus a huge percussion break in the middle)

Dominique (dleone), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 13:39 (eighteen years ago) link

Nice one.

skip, Tuesday, 8 September 2020 16:45 (three years ago) link

one year passes...

feeling a bit beardo tonight

Tracer Hand, Friday, 27 May 2022 23:51 (one year ago) link

need to watch Northern Disco Lights one of these days
in the meantime, enjoying the soundtrack: https://paperecordings.bandcamp.com/album/northern-disco-lights-soundtrack

scanner darkly, Saturday, 28 May 2022 00:07 (one year ago) link

rub n tug campfire mix is so classic

brimstead, Saturday, 28 May 2022 00:08 (one year ago) link


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