Sun City Girls: classic or dud?

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Man, this is one of those rare times I want to give god an eternal middle finger...Glad I got to see the SCG twice, now we'll only have the archives. See ya sometime at the gigs in the sky Charles.

brg30, Friday, 23 February 2007 03:12 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh no! I didn't hear. Now I am all the more sad that I couldn't go to ATP, and all the more bitter that every blog and review I read by people who did was all about the Stooges and didn't even mention SCG (or the Dead C, who I was kicking myself for harder, because it seemed that I'd missed them for good but a chance to see SCG would come around again). But this is not the time for that, so: RIP.

Also, no way, I thought Torch of the Mystics was still one of the easier to find Sun City Girls albums, or I might not have the disc sitting in a cheap CD wallet and the case buried somewhere in the sea of crap on my floor... and it's as well I never got round to putting the poster up, because I did consider it. (panicked laughter)

a passing spacecadet, Friday, 23 February 2007 05:22 (seventeen years ago) link

this is a great fan-made comp covering all sides of the band. thanks to Waker.

gigasize.com/get.php/424461/Sun_City_Girls__Polyrythmic_Murder_to_the_Tune_of_Ignorance_is_Bliss.rar

chaki, Friday, 23 February 2007 18:48 (seventeen years ago) link

I'd heard that Charlie was doing much better and we saw him just a few months ago right before the holidays, so this was very unexpected to me. Charlie's one of the best performers I've ever seen and am thankful I've seen him play a dozens or so times with the Girls and a handful with others (then once by himself). Dude was monstrously talented and when he'd do the seizure on stage bit he totally frightened me.

I'd swear on my life I've seen him willingly possessed by some pretty bad-ass spirits, and I'm not the type to just say that kind of stuff, either.

Mike McGooney-gal, Saturday, 24 February 2007 07:03 (seventeen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
I want to hear "Bright Surroundings Dark Beginnings". Would appreciate any help!

Charles death is sad news indeed, I just started to realise the "potential" of this band and then you read this.

sonderangerbot, Friday, 23 March 2007 15:44 (seventeen years ago) link

you can buy it direct from the band here:
http://www.suncitygirls.com/catalog/product/54/

ian, Friday, 23 March 2007 15:59 (seventeen years ago) link

This is one of those bands that slipped under my radar. What album should I start with, one that is fairly accessible (by that I mean obtainable without breaking the bank, not the most melodious)?

NYCNative, Friday, 23 March 2007 16:07 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh man, I didn't hear about Charlie. Frigging hell.

NickB, Friday, 23 March 2007 16:12 (seventeen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
I had a dream two nights ago that I was going to see the Sun City Girls. I knew in the dream that Charlie was dead, though. I met Rick Bishop in a convenience store parking lot and he was filling up metal pots with dog food. He told me "I don't think the club will ever have us back after this". At the club, Davis Redford Triad was supposed to open but they had cancelled. The opening act was a Peruvian band (I am currently in Peru) with a little tiny girl in the center playing kettle drum. My girlfriend was hanging out with the band's wives. Rick was going around looking for a pickup drummer and bass player (??) and I told him "I'll play bass!" He said "Nah, you know too many of our songs" (we've met a couple of times). I said "yeah, that makes sense".

Then I woke up.

sleeve, Thursday, 12 April 2007 16:33 (seventeen years ago) link

seven months pass...

i'm really digging richard bishop's solo albums right now. i'm not even that familiar with sun city girls, but this stuff is amazing. the newish one (well i guess it was last year) "while my guitar violently bleeds" has some obvious raga stuff going on, some pieces i've heard of "improvika" are really intense. awesome. haven't heard much of "polytheistic fragments."

Mark Clemente, Thursday, 29 November 2007 20:32 (sixteen years ago) link

oh Mark you have a world of goodness awaiting. Dive in fearlessly and you will be rewarded.

Look for "Fingering The Devil", it is oop like most of his stuff but is maybe my favorite.

Also, I will try emailing you in a few days.

sleeve, Thursday, 29 November 2007 23:29 (sixteen years ago) link

also "While My Guitar" is from 2007 and it is also one of my favorites of the year. He kills it live too.

sleeve, Thursday, 29 November 2007 23:30 (sixteen years ago) link

very poor syntax there. sorry.

sleeve, Thursday, 29 November 2007 23:31 (sixteen years ago) link

two months pass...

You're Never Alone With A Cigarette: Singles 1 CD
Sun City Girls
List Price $17.98 (You save $4.44)
Category Rock/Pop, Rock
Label Abduction Records
CD Universe Part# 7619586
Catalog# 40
Discs 1
Street Date Mar 04, 2008

!!!

No mention of this on the actual SCG site yet, no tracklisting either. I will try and dig for more info but this is pretty damn exciting.

sleeve, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 02:42 (sixteen years ago) link

that is cool. SCG and skullflower are the bands i most want singles comps from.

GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 03:33 (sixteen years ago) link

oooh, excellent. i may own most of it, but having it all in one place = awesome. and i don't even LIKE buying CDs!

ian, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 04:49 (sixteen years ago) link

yeah, this is the supposed tracklist:


1. 100 Pounds of Black Olives (from the "You're Never Alone witha Cigarette" 7")
2. Sev Acher (A. Barsamian) - unreleased studio recording
3. Souvenirs from Jangare (from the "Three Fake Female Orgasms" 2*7")
4. Plaster Cupids from the Ceiling (from the "Three Fake Female Orgasms" 2*7")
5. Amazon One (trad.) - unreleased studio recording
6. The Beauty of Benghazi (from the "Three Fake Female Orgasms" 2*7")
7. Wild World of Animals - unreleased studio recording
8. Harmful Little Armful (For Will Shatter) - (from the "Bruce Lee, Heroin, and the Punk Scene" 3*7" box set)
9. The Fine-Tuned Machines of Lemuria (from the "You're Never Alone witha Cigarette" 7") - unreleased extended full-length recording

Stormy Davis, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 05:16 (sixteen years ago) link

other current topics of discussion ... apparently there is a tour-only Sir Richard Bishop / Earth split 12" on Southern Lord, being sold on a current European tour. also, Alan and Richard are scheduled to play a few dates together this summer !

Stormy Davis, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 05:18 (sixteen years ago) link

wow that's kind of fucked up that they are going the non-completist collector-scum-baiting route with those comps. All I want is complete versions of the singles, OK? Stick all that "unreleased" stuff on another goddamn CD.

Also, that looks like one short disc. NOTE TO SP3NCER SUND3LL AND OTHER ASSOCIATED SCG PERSONNEL: THERE IS ALREADY A KILLER HOMEMADE 2CD COMP OF ALL THE SINGLES AND MISC TRACKS, MAYBE YOU SHOULD HAVE JUST FOLLOWED THAT TRACKLISTING. NOW YOU"RE JUST RIPPING OFF YOUR FANS, AGAIN.

Yes I am drunk but this still pisses me off royally.

sleeve, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 06:36 (sixteen years ago) link

yeah, but you're right though.

GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 08:36 (sixteen years ago) link

actually in the cold light of day I am wrong!

that set above includes the whole "You're Never Alone" single (plus extended version) and the entire first single of "Three Fake etc." As long as the 2nd single gets included in the next set (and BOTH of those Borungku singles, are you listening Abduction Records?), we are still on the completist path.

Still, it looks kinda short. And it also looks like the And So The Dead Tongue Sang 7" will not be on these as it predates the stuff on this.

I realize that with those Eclipse reissues they deliberately changed some tracks, leaving oens out and including other previously released ones. This was explicitly done so that the folks who owned the tapes would still have a collector's item. I guess that's OK but I hope this series doesn't suffer teh same fate.

for drunk posting I could have done much worse, at least I googleproofed.

sleeve, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 15:31 (sixteen years ago) link

I really want that Earth / Rick Bishop split. Thing is, I'd GLADLY go see that show and GLADLY buy the damn record at the merch table, but they're not playing within 1,000 fucking miles of here. It's Sunn0))) / Earth all over again.

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 15:33 (sixteen years ago) link

Earth were amazing, even better live than on record. Sir Richard Bishop was great too. I got the split £15 it cost!!!

Herman G. Neuname, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 16:00 (sixteen years ago) link

Fuck I'd really wanna see that show, they aren't really stopping by my area either. There is a one date gap in the tour though, maybe I can persuade someone to book them...

sonderangerbot, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 17:14 (sixteen years ago) link

Recorded in July of 1988 during the sessions that produced Sun City Girl's most popular recording, these nine tracks represent the other half of songs which were originally prepared as a 2-LP demo version of 'Torch of the Mystics' for Placebo Records in 1989. The sequencing of all 20 tracks at the time was entirely different with the predominately instrumental tracks in this collection mixed in and around the mostly vocal tracks of what became 'Torch'. Placebo went out of business shortly after this proposed 2-LP idea was presented to them but Majora Records quickly stepped-in to begin releasing most of the material. Included here are 5 tracks from early Majora singles: '100 Pounds of Black Olives' and 'The Fine-Tuned Machines of Lemuria' (the complete unreleased 12 minute version) from the single 'You're Never Alone with a Cigarette' and all three tracks from Record #1 of the double seven-inch 'Three Fake Female Orgasms' --'Plaster Cupids Falling from the Ceiling', 'The Beauty of Benghazi', and 'Souvenirs from Jangare'. The short piece 'Harmful Little Armful' is from the triple seven-inch box set 'Bruce Lee, Heroin, and the Punk Scene' (from a Bay Area label-'Massacre at Central High') and rounding out the set are 3 unreleased studio tracks recorded the same day as much of the 'Torch' LP: never before heard versions of 'Amazon One', 'Sev Acher', and 'Wild World of Animals'. This is the first of a multi-volume set of reissued singles, compilation, and unreleased tracks to be assembled and sequenced to play as full-length records. Vinyl editions may also appear in time.
Tracks:

1. 100 Pounds of Black Olives
2. Sev Acher
3. Souvenirs from Jangare
4. Plaster Cupids Falling from the Ceiling
5. Amazon One
6. The Beauty of Benghazi
7. Wild World of Animals
8. Harmful Little Armful (For Will Shatter)
9. The Fine-Tuned Machines of Lemuria

So there you go. I am excited!

sleeve, Thursday, 14 February 2008 08:58 (sixteen years ago) link

I got mine in the mail a few weeks ago, along with the two latest SF DVDs -- it's definitely really, really good.

As I no longer have those 7"s and can't afford to get them at this point, it makes me very happy to know they're starting on this reissue trip (and vinyl versions? -- yes, please!)

Mike McGooney-gal, Thursday, 14 February 2008 09:17 (sixteen years ago) link

two months pass...

so it appears that after all these years it turns out that the sides were labeled backwards on the "You're Never Alone With A Cigarette" single. hmm. those three outtakes are quit nice also.

anybody going to The Brothers Unconnected tour?

Alan Bishop & Richard Bishop Present:
THE BROTHERS UNCONNECTED
A Tribute to Charles Gocher & Sun City Girls

Most dates will feature an opening 40 minute film of Charles Gocher's video experiments followed by two sets of music. AB and RB will be performing Sun City Girls songs as an acoustic guitar duet. This tour will most likely be the only time this show will be presented as such and is a tribute both to Charles Gocher and selected music from the 27 year legacy of Sun City Girls.

5.18.08 - Seattle, WA - Triple Door
5.19.08 - Portland, OR - Doug Fir
5.21.08 - San Francsico, CA - Slim's
5.23.08 - Phoenix, AZ - Modified
5.25.08 - Los Angeles , CA - Echoplex
5.27.08 - Sacramento, CA - Horse Cow Art Gallery
6.08.08 - Denver, CO - Hi-Dive
6.10.08 - Kansas City, MO - Record Bar
6.11.08 - Omaha, NE - The Waiting Room
6.12.08 - Minneapolis, MN - 7th Street Entry
6.13.08 - Iowa City, IA - The Picador
6.14.08 - Chicago, IL - Lakeshore Theater
6.15.08 - Louisville, KY - Pour Haus
6.17.08 - Toronto, ON - St. Vladimir's Institute Theater
6.18.08 - Montreal, QC - La Sala Rosa
6.19.08 - Cambridge, MA - The Brattle Theater
6.20.08 - Portland, ME - SPACE
6.21.08 - Philadelphia, PA - Johnny Brenda's
6.22.08 - New York , NY - Knitting Factory
6.24.08 - Pittsburgh, PA - Andy Warhol Gallery
6.25.08 - Washington, D.C. - Black Cat
6.26.08 - Asheville, NC - Grey Eagle
6.27.08 - Atlanta, GA - The E.A.R.L.
6.28.08 - Chattanooga, TN - Barking Legs Theater
6.29.08 - Memphis, TN - Odessa
6.30.08 - New Orleans, LA - One Eyed Jack's
7.02.08 - Austin, TX - Emo's
7.05.08 - Tucson, AZ - Club Congress
7.06.08 - San Diego, CA - Bar Pink Elephant
7.09.08 - Santa Cruz, CA - TBA
7.10.08 - TBA
7.11.08 - TBA
7.12.08 - TBA

sleeve, Monday, 12 May 2008 00:39 (fifteen years ago) link

quit = quite

sleeve, Monday, 12 May 2008 00:39 (fifteen years ago) link

I'll be at that Iowa City show. I'm so pumped!

Kath, Monday, 12 May 2008 00:45 (fifteen years ago) link

Likely be at the NYC gig.

ian, Monday, 12 May 2008 00:48 (fifteen years ago) link

I'll try and see 'em in Minneapolis.

RabiesAngentleman, Monday, 12 May 2008 00:59 (fifteen years ago) link

Austin, perhaps.

stephen, Monday, 12 May 2008 02:50 (fifteen years ago) link

Just got tickets for NY.

ian, Monday, 12 May 2008 03:16 (fifteen years ago) link

Portland for me!

sleeve, Monday, 12 May 2008 15:54 (fifteen years ago) link

I should be able to make it to Emo's.

Oilyrags, Monday, 12 May 2008 16:01 (fifteen years ago) link

got my ticket to the triple door show.

Mackro Mackro, Monday, 12 May 2008 16:42 (fifteen years ago) link

330,003 crossdressers is far better although much harder to locate. it turns up on ebay now and then and usually brings $30. its worth it.

Oh, the good ol' days.

ian, Monday, 12 May 2008 16:49 (fifteen years ago) link

there's a torch of the mystics CD(!) up to $50 and ending in 6 hours.

ian, Monday, 12 May 2008 16:54 (fifteen years ago) link

Good grief. (I found my CD of that about ten years back or so for pretty cheap.)

Ned Raggett, Monday, 12 May 2008 16:54 (fifteen years ago) link

well, ten years is a long time. and 330,003 on LP routinely sells for $75-100

ian, Monday, 12 May 2008 16:56 (fifteen years ago) link

What are SCG's "poppiest" songs? They definitely have some hooks in them. "The Shining Path" is very catchy. What would fans recommend as good "gateway" tracks for them?

Savannah Smiles, Monday, 12 May 2008 17:13 (fifteen years ago) link

Their double time cover of "journey to the center of the mind."

Trip Maker, Monday, 12 May 2008 17:20 (fifteen years ago) link

and "different kind of whore"

Trip Maker, Monday, 12 May 2008 17:21 (fifteen years ago) link

i like their "waiting for my man" too. their covers tend to be pretty fun.
something like "space prophet dogon" or "blue mamba" shouldn't sound too far out. if you like the fugs you might like their horse cock phepner record. "i wanna go to the moon" from Severed Finger... is pretty awesome and easy to digest, but it's still weird.

ian, Monday, 12 May 2008 17:24 (fifteen years ago) link

arguably "Nancy Reagan", if vulgarity is considered poppy.

Otherwise, as noted several times, much of Torch is good gateway...

Mackro Mackro, Monday, 12 May 2008 17:29 (fifteen years ago) link

"Esoterica of Abyssinia" is probably their "hit".. It's been covered by a few bands. I know Trumans Water did a cover of this on their Peel Sessions disc.

Mackro Mackro, Monday, 12 May 2008 17:31 (fifteen years ago) link

got my DC tickets last week ^_^

69, Monday, 12 May 2008 18:26 (fifteen years ago) link

(same night at times new viking - bummer, but duh clear choice here)

69, Monday, 12 May 2008 18:27 (fifteen years ago) link

six months pass...

OK, so my head exploded when I heard a couple SCG tracks on a recent episode of Top Gear (in the American muscle car challenge from SF->Bonneville)

Chris Barrus (Elvis Telecom), Wednesday, 26 November 2008 20:48 (fifteen years ago) link

wonder who was responsible for that, pretty cool.

about a year ago Sc0tt C0lburn told me that Eclipse was still planning on releasing the rest of the ten-double-LP tape archive series, but that it was going really slow.

sleeve, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 21:46 (fifteen years ago) link

The first singles comp, You're Never Alone With a Cigarette, is a nice companion to Torch.

I wish they'd hurry up and re-release the first three.

Duane Barry, Saturday, 6 March 2021 00:09 (three years ago) link

OK I thought about it walking the dog and here’s my recommendation for a ten album scg chronological swoop:

Grotto of Miracles
Torch of the Mystics
Bright Surroundings Dark Beginnings
Live From Planet Boomerang
Eye Mohini: The Singles Vol. 3
330,003 Crossdressers from Beyond the Rig Veda
Libyan Dream (carnival folklore resurrection series)
Sumatran Electric Chair (carnival folklore resurrection series)
Hi Asia Lo Pacific (carnival folklore resurrection series)
Flute and Mask
Fine, eleven it is: throw in Funeral Mariachi to close

covidsbundlertanze op. 6 (Jon not Jon), Saturday, 6 March 2021 03:40 (three years ago) link

wow! thank you! I'm not ready for the freakout parts of the live videos yet though. Also, some of the less conventional moments on the albums suddenly made me go "what was that 'my pal footfoot' band called again?" but then they shift into a way more complicated thing during the same song - very fascinating

StanM, Saturday, 6 March 2021 08:00 (three years ago) link

I approve of Jon's recommendationsand might also throw in Severed Finger With A Wedding Ring, also from the CFR series

I like signing up to dead sites (sleeve), Saturday, 6 March 2021 15:48 (three years ago) link


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