RFI: Psychedelic Motown

B-b-but being fashionable isn't important as long as you have great MELODIES!

In my case, him or Ally or Tim Finney or...

The only influences I can think of are Sly Stone and James Brown. Nothing psychedelic about neither of those, and neither anything psychedelic about Whitfield's funk.

Only, 13th Floor Elevators were never psychedelia. They were punk.

Apart from maybe the San Francisco bands, only Brits made psychedelia.

If you're going to willfully deny how these terms are actually used by others, I have to assume that you can neither read nor understand the English language. End of argument.

Sigh. Obviously, The Kingsmen invented punk when they recorded "Louie Louie." And then The Monks took up the slack a couple years later.

Sigh. Why can't you go away?

It's got reverb galore, it actually uses the word "psychedelicized" (sp?) and to top it all off it's from 1967. Plus it grooves like a motherfucker and stirs up images of protestors, LBJ, and acid tests almost as vividly as "For What it's Worth".

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I've got this cd
MOTOWN : THE HISTORY - VOLUME ONE - FUNKY PSYCHEDELIA
POLYGRAM 1997 CAT NUMBER : 5307122

it's great...but to be honest not much of it sounds pyschedelic to my ears...I mean - its got "ABC" on it.

coincidence : the CD I just threw on before I logged on and now listening to is :
MOTOWN MEETS THE BEATLES....full of gems !

is *aces...

I never think of the Mothers as psychedelic, just arty and weird like The Residents. It doesn't help that the leader/composer was anti-drug. I never got much out of listening to Zappa when I was on acid. In fact, I hated it.

One thing we were able to appreciate,even though the memories are calcified through advancing ravages of time, is that psychedelic music did not spring full formed from the breasts of Lennon/McCartney. They were influenced by things they had heard and certainly that included eastern ragas and musique concrete.

It was de rigueur to have a Ravi Shankar lp as well as an Edgar Varese to toss on the turntable to enhance the mood. But we were too stupid to realize that we had to wait, here in America, for Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club to understand psychedelia.

Instead, we could hear the new sounds forming in the Yardbirds, Donovan, and yes, despite his anti-drug stance, Zappa's MOI Freak Out with its Help I'm a Rock, Who Are The Brain Police, and

One thing we were able to appreciate,even though the memories are calcified through advancing ravages of time, is that psychedelic music did not spring full formed from the breasts of Lennon/McCartney. They were influenced by things they had heard and certainly that included eastern ragas and musique concrete.

It was de rigueur to have a Ravi Shankar lp as well as an Edgar Varese to toss on the turntable to enhance the mood. But we were too stupid to realize that we had to wait, here in America, for Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club to understand psychedelia.

Instead, we could hear the new sounds forming in the Yardbirds, Donovan, and yes, despite his anti-drug stance, Zappa's MOI Freak Out with its Help I'm a Rock, Who Are The Brain Police, and Return of the Son of Monster Magnet.

I suppose if your idea of psychedelia is limited to lace bodice foppery, gamboling in a fen while contemplatinng the radiant beauty of Lady Farquar, Sgt. Peppers is the ideal vehicle.

Wait--loan me those tea shades of yours, they help one see so clearly...

Ahhhhh. Here are some antecedents of psychedelia, though not themselves psychedelic:

Karlheinz Stockhausen--Kontakte
Kristof Penderecki--Threnody
Ornette Coleman--Shape of Jazz to Come
John Coltrane--My Favorite Things
Moondog--Moondog (on Prestige)
Edgar Varese--Ionisation
The Byrds--Mr Tambourine Man
Donovan--Sunshine Superman
Harry Partch--Barstow/Petals Fell on Petaluma
Terry Riley--In C

That's ten, and I'm leaving out tons of precedents in jazz, rock, blues, and classical. Here's your glasses back, Geir. Go listen.

What about the Brothers Johnson, in "Strawberry Letter 23"? (Maybe also the Shuggie Otis version, who knows.) Though, obviously, equating "psychedelia" with "just Sgt Peppers" is still moronic.

If Maggot Brain /= Psychedelicized,
then solve for X where X=WTF planet are we on?

I've been inspired by this thread to make a mix CD of psychedelic Motown songs...I'll comb through my LPs and mp3s and hopefully come up with something great. I'll post my results here if anyone's interested (dunno if the OP is still around).

i know, i know, i know. It's just, sometimes I just gotta let little air out...

And what colour was he again Geir? Was he Norwegian too by any chance?

It made me curious enough to scrabble together a copy of The Temptations' 'Psychedelic Shack' and 'All Directions.' Fabulous stuff.

The sheer wrongness of Geir's posts and yet he still continues on.

For anyone who's bothering to look, here's a better link for the one upthread that doesn't work (for me, anyway): http://members.tripod.com/~lysergia_2

pulled out Quincy Jones' soundtrack to Body Heat and damn if those songs don't sound like lost whitfield produced Temptation songs.

bumping this thread because i don't feel like making a new one

was listening to an old recording of the jefferson airplane doing syl johnson's "dresses too short" and i feel like this is something i've maybe underappreciated over the years, "heavy" sixties rock bands doing old soul tunes, tunes that are pretty new for me because they didn't make it as part of the "classic rock" canon (ref recent thread about "got my mind set on you". like, for a long time i didn't know "lovelight" wasn't a dead song. and then you have those early zep concerts from their first us tour where they do a very, very zep style version of garnet mimms' "long as i have you".

anyway, i'm sure there's tons more examples like this but i just don't know enough about sixties soul. thoughts?

I guess by "old soul tunes" you mean old in 2022, because "Dresses Too Short" was more or less contemporary to the Airplane, and "Long As I Have You" would only have been four or five years old?
The first thing that came to mind was James Gang doing "Stop" by Howard Tate on their first album, and that song had only been out for a year. Also, the Beach Boys weren't heavy, but they did cover "I Was Made to Love Her" in 1967.

check out the animals covering eddie & ernie's "outcast"

Alot of the Airplane archival albums credit "Dresses..." to Balin, so imagine my surprise when I heard the Syl for the first time at the local "Soul Night" and thought it was the Dap Kings or somebody doing JA!

The Dead also did "Hard To Handle".

Paul Butterfield (not the heaviest) did "Get Out of My Life, Woman" (by Lee Dorsey) and "One More Heartache" (by Marvin Gaye) when they were brand spanking new singles.

Vanilla Fudge lords over all with "You Keep Me Hangin' On".

Al Kooper & Mike Bloomfield did "Stop" as an instrumental on Super Session.

Jesus Christ @ the extra-ignorant Geir posts itt.

I guess by "old soul tunes" you mean old in 2022, because "Dresses Too Short" was more or less contemporary to the Airplane, and "Long As I Have You" would only have been four or five years old?
The first thing that came to mind was James Gang doing "Stop" by Howard Tate on their first album, and that song had only been out for a year. Also, the Beach Boys weren't heavy, but they did cover "I Was Made to Love Her" in 1967.

― Halfway there but for you

"Dolly Rocker, it's called Dolly Rocker
It's an old make of dress
Well, months old, you know
That sort of thing"

Paul Butterfield (not the heaviest) did "Get Out of My Life, Woman"

Also covered by Iron Butterfly on Heavy.

(which is also not the heaviest)

Al Kooper & Mike Bloomfield did "Stop" as an instrumental on Super Session.

Remembering too that they also did a straight vocal version of Gene Chandler's Curtis Mayfield-penned "Man's Temptation" on that same album.

...and speaking of Curtis, Vanilla Fudge did "People Get Ready" and later on Beck Bogert & Appice addressed "I'm So Proud".