Lance Armstrong is a God

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Now what the hell is going on?
http://live.cyclingnews.com/

NickB (NickB), Friday, 23 July 2004 11:04 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Sorry, that link is a SPOILER if you didn't want to know what's happening.

NickB (NickB), Friday, 23 July 2004 11:04 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Cyclingnews live race commentaries are the greatest things ever.
(Nick, I had the same reaction, I nearly choked on the food I was eating)

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Friday, 23 July 2004 11:10 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

OK, Lance is out of the break now. The planets re-align to their normal positions, the oceans stop flowing into the rivers, etc.

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Friday, 23 July 2004 11:11 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Obviously he was just toying with the minds of the mere mortals in the peleton.

NickB (NickB), Friday, 23 July 2004 11:14 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

oops, 'o-ton' obv.

NickB (NickB), Friday, 23 July 2004 11:15 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Anyone else listening to the OLN webcast now??? Liggett and Sherwen doing 'off-mic' impersonations of Zabel and Hushovd?!?! Someone needs to sample that shit!

NickB (NickB), Friday, 23 July 2004 11:23 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Holy shit, Lance personally chasing down Simeoni and forcing him back to the peloton is major gangsta. That's knocking food off of someone's fork. I'm actually surprised. Angry and vengeful God indeed. Especially because Lance has called Simeoni a liar while Simeoni appears to be trying to "come clean" on doping. Lance appears to be defending not his OWN relationship with Ferrari, but Ferrari's reputation itself--and it's black as coal.

If Armstrong thought the drunk Germans on l'Alpe were bad, he'll have fun if he ever does the Giro in Simeoni's neighborhood.

Hunter (Hunter), Friday, 23 July 2004 13:41 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Definitely. The treatment Lance got on the Alp was nothing compared to the grief Pavel Tonkov got from fans when he rode in pink after Pantani got booted from the Giro.

David Beckhouse (David Beckhouse), Friday, 23 July 2004 14:33 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I donĀ“t get the hate myself.
I can understand the love - esp from Americans - but to be honest how can you be blind to his obv drug intake? Sure, it's *legal* but before his cancer treatment (which is epo-like in the rise of red blood cells and thus is a *positive influence*) he was a nobody! Never won a THING and now suddenly he's winning SIX tours?!? It's unfair in my opinion, not fair competition.

jesus nathalie (nathalie), Friday, 23 July 2004 15:01 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

You're trolling, right? He competed as a pro-triathlete and won--in his teens. He was a world RR champion in Oslo at 22 on pure power. He won a stage of the TdF on his first try in 93. He appeared to be a likely classics guy for sure, putting out shitloads of power but weighing 175+lbs. He still won the domestic US stage races of course. He was kind of like the Thor Hushovd of that time--everybody knew who he was from his junior results, wondered how good he'd end up being. Not only did Armstrong not arrive out of obscurity, he was long scrutinized, or even heralded, from early on.

While very, very few would have said Armstrong would become a TdF GC dominator, the guy is clearly a bizzare outlier on the physiological curve. Very very few thought he'd ever even race again if he lived.

NOW. I'm no Lance groupie. All this does not mean that he never doped, or that he's not doping. He was rumored to be an hgh user pre-cancer, from what I've heard.

Hunter (Hunter), Friday, 23 July 2004 15:20 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Oh come on, that's not substantiated at all. I've never heard this much of a stink being made for riders that get CAUGHT doping, much less riders who are just suspected of doping by detractors. Get over it.

stephen morris (stephen morris), Friday, 23 July 2004 15:23 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I knew about him before he had cancer and I don't know much about racing. I used to watch the big race in Philly every year, but that's about it.
Nathalie, I know you probably didn't mean to, but you make it sound like he gave himself cancer to win races.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 23 July 2004 15:24 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I do remember seeing a news show where they talked to doctors and the doctors saying how Lance's body is just off the charts in a million ways that have nothing to do with doping.. He's a freak of nature in some ways.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 23 July 2004 15:27 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

most athletes who compete at that level (ie. top of their game) are freaks of nature in some ways.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 23 July 2004 15:27 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

THE CHEMO GAVE HIM SUPER POWERS DO YOU SEE

TheRealJMod (TheRealJMod), Friday, 23 July 2004 15:36 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

...and isn't his heart, like, a third bigger than normal? Like Secretariat on two legs

TheRealJMod (TheRealJMod), Friday, 23 July 2004 15:36 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

HULK WIN TOUR DE FRANCE THANKS TO POWERS OF RADIATION.

St. Nicholas (Nick A.), Friday, 23 July 2004 15:52 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I had this theory going a littel while ago that removing a testicle turns men into SUPERMEN but I've only got two datapoints (Lance Armstrong, Scott Hamilton).

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 23 July 2004 16:12 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

HITLER

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 23 July 2004 16:13 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

...and Tom Green

TheRealJMod (TheRealJMod), Friday, 23 July 2004 16:13 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I mean c'mon Dan the original UBERMENSCH only had one teste.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 23 July 2004 16:13 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I am so fantasically pleased that all of you care about bike racing now. YAY!!!

Speedy (Speedy Gonzalas), Saturday, 24 July 2004 06:52 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

That was a sincere post. It sounded snarky but, was not meant to. I am going to the greatest race in America tomorrow. The Boise Twilight Critierium. Yay!

Speedy (Speedy Gonzalas), Saturday, 24 July 2004 06:54 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

'Rip Off Their Balls Speedy'

NickB (NickB), Saturday, 24 July 2004 07:25 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

"no more gifts"

what duke said above; plus, more specifically, that's what hinault said to him at the podium following that stage victory earlier this week. when armstrong said it to reporters that day, he was repeating the words of hinault, who had been chiding armstrong once again, for his history of "giving" stage victories to other riders.

jimmy crackhorn, Saturday, 24 July 2004 13:06 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

"You're trolling, right?"

No, of course not. But based on what I knew beforehand - he seemed to be coming from *nowhere* and what I read in the press - made me doubt him. I am still unconvinced even based on what you told me. Anyway sorry. And Scott, feh off, I didn't mean that at all! :-)

jesus nathalie (nathalie), Saturday, 24 July 2004 13:41 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Armstrong ahead of Ullrich by 43 seconds at the first check in today's time trial.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 24 July 2004 14:10 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

And indeed has won the stage. Ahead by over four minutes with one stage left.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 24 July 2004 14:55 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

try 6:38, over kloden

duke over, Saturday, 24 July 2004 16:06 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

any jockeying within the top 10 for those mid-race bonus sprints tomorrow? or are those just for a few seconds each? can't remember

duke seconds, Saturday, 24 July 2004 16:09 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

yo i need to get my sprint face on

cutty (mcutt), Saturday, 24 July 2004 16:19 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

try 6:38, over kloden

Even better, then!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 24 July 2004 16:45 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

The green jersey competition is still close. It could be decided on the line Sunday.

David Beckhouse (David Beckhouse), Saturday, 24 July 2004 17:31 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Anyway sorry.

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No, no, no apology needed for sure. I was just sayin.

Speedy, while you're in Boise, I was marshalling the Mt. Evans Hill Climb. It was 45 degrees and drizzly at my checkpoint at 8000 ft, I'm really glad I didn't have to go to the top at 14,100 ft. I'm guessing it had to be in the 20's up there. Oh, and Vaughters was riding in his old CA gear--in the Citizens category. I cheered him, he laughed.

Hunter (Hunter), Saturday, 24 July 2004 17:35 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Nathalie, I know you probably didn't mean to, but you make it sound like he gave himself cancer to win races.
The strange thing is, if he'd never had cancer then he might have never won the TdF because he was 20-25 lbs heavier pre-cancer. Before 1999 I believe he'd raced three times in the Tour and abandoned twice.
Obviously this is not a backhanded way of wishing cancer on top riders, but just a comment on wierd how things turn out sometimes.

And the only way to be sure that someone is doping is if they a) test positive, or b) admit it. Period. Speculation is a useless excercise . Once you start speculating, then everyone starts looking guilty which again gets you nowhere.

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Saturday, 24 July 2004 17:38 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

i've always understood that most of his success could be explained by specialization - is this not neccessarily the case? specialization has revolutionized most other sports, is it a new thing for cycling? are other cyclists doing it (yet)? if not, if armstrong is the only cyclist who does then it's hardly surprising that he would dominate this race, babe ruth was hitting three to four times the number of home runs as anyone else (sometimes three to four times as any other team) until the cw 'homeruns are a gimmick that don't win games' was overthrown by the yanks actually winning series, then pow! other people start hitting homeruns. how tradition bound and riddled with conventional wisdom is the world of cycling? are armstrong's training methods radically different from the norm?

cinniblount (James Blount), Saturday, 24 July 2004 19:02 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

In Lance's case, I'd say that it's definitely the training, in the sense that his entire year is focused on winning the Tour and nothing else. Hinault recently commented that if Merckx had only concentrated on winning the Tour then he'd have won it 14 times.

This highly focused training means, among other things 1) Lance has to be in peak form for only three weeks of the year, 2) since he's not competing in many other races, then he's got more time to train on the actual TdF route. It's no secret that Lance knows the routes (and the climbs in particular), far better than any of his competitors. But there's no way you can race a full season and still find time to do this -- as part of his training, Lance and his team ride the entire route at least once or twice, and the main climbs even more than that.

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Saturday, 24 July 2004 19:24 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

right, well there is a broad span to the season, and he has generally ignored the rest of it since coming back as a differently composed rider. the irony being that the flipside component of one-day glory (as opposed to stage-race tours like the TdF) to the cycling world, which he was a known achiever within (what was it liege-bastogne-liege? and as hunter pointed out to nathalie, PROFESSIONAL WORLD ROAD RACE CHAMPION), he has up until now at least fully abandoned altogether. not too many others are in the position to do that, as racing is a living like any other, and these teams are corporate-sponsored entities who want maximum results/exposure. the rest of the seasons events are televised too across the globe, some even here in U.S. on OLN.
anyway it is safe to say he deserves this position and doesn't seem to take it for granted, or really ever be interested in resting on laurels at all, but hopefully he try for some more one-days before he ulitmately calls it quits. he also has talked about tackling the hour record, etc. which is very Seventies and killer. lance is taking it back hopefully.
such a tech/stats-head though, and hunter it's no surprise to me he's down with weisel, though i didn't know it before.

duke bonds, Saturday, 24 July 2004 19:28 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

not too many others are in the position to do that, as racing is a living like any other, and these teams are corporate-sponsored entities who want maximum results/exposure. - so, strangely, is it somewhat the lack of interest in cycling in the us that allows armstrong to specialize and focus on the only race most americans are familiar with?

cinniblount (James Blount), Saturday, 24 July 2004 19:37 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

there are other non-yanks (and one other, hamilton, who is as well one) such as ullrich, mayo, heras etc. who are more or less in this position too. and the Tour de France is essentially the acknowledged Big One, to everybody everywhere.
obv. you must have demonstrated an ability to seriously contend before in order to have such support in focusing on it. and it's up to the rider too, and what's important along the season's schedule to him as an individual. eventually Lemond just had his Tour and World Championship. an aberration like Merckx wanted to win every race all the time. and so on..

duke flight, Saturday, 24 July 2004 20:02 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

paradoxically this year there were probably MORE who were able to focus because they somehow thought that they smelled blood or something. ha!

duke paris, Saturday, 24 July 2004 20:05 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

funny you should mention merckx: it's widely known (here in belgium at least) he was a *doper*. he's an arrogant bloated twat. i dunno, i don't really think many of the top cyclists do *not* take substances. 1 most want to win at *any* cost and 2 there's sometimes a grey zone between illegal and what's allowed and so on... we'll know in a decade or so (see jones). ;-)

my husband joked that the main reason lance wants to win: his new girlfriend. hah!

jesus nathalie (nathalie), Saturday, 24 July 2004 20:44 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Armstrong's Lance. *hides*

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 24 July 2004 20:45 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

When I saw this picture of Ullrich on a new bike via that cyclingnews.com link above I thought it was a joke (it is not):

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 24 July 2004 20:49 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Foo, a disappearance:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2004/tour04/stage19/live/jans.jpg

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 24 July 2004 20:50 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

"funny you should mention merckx: it's widely known (here in belgium at least) he was a *doper*. he's an arrogant bloated twat. i dunno, i don't really think many of the top cyclists do *not* take substances. 1 most want to win at *any* cost and 2 there's sometimes a grey zone between illegal and what's allowed and so on... we'll know in a decade or so (see jones). ;-) "

*yawns*

duke asleep, Saturday, 24 July 2004 21:02 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

A letter from a rider allegedly chased to an early retirement by the ascendance of EPO. Word was that he wouldn't even take vitamin injections. Hampsten was a beautiful climber, and won Alpe d'Huez in I think 94, not to mention 4th in the TdF and winning the Giro (his attack to take the maglia rosa over a snowbound Gavia Pass is a legend of the sport).

The letter is more a defense of Lemond, but the attack on Ferrari, as I noted above, reflects strongly on Armstrong.

Hunter (Hunter), Saturday, 24 July 2004 21:54 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

the EPO year zero by lemond's estimation is then 1990. lance was at that point competing in teenage triathlons, years away from being a pro anything.
but there is another dominant champion popping up in lemond's wake. just as "they couldn't keep up with pace." and one escaping this business unscathed. so what gives?
did lemond and his father ever patch up their extreme falling out, or the troubles it caused their company? can anyone else point out a history of lance introducing personal conflict into a business sphere? and i don't mean on the racecourse obv.

duke hello, Saturday, 24 July 2004 22:12 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

oh and hampsten won alpe d'huez in '92, i was lucky enough to be there

duke swiss, Saturday, 24 July 2004 22:14 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

finally, evidence that armstrong may be human

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 23 May 2013 17:35 (five years ago) Permalink

sorry

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 23 May 2013 17:35 (five years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

ASPEN, Colo. -- Authorities say disgraced cyclist Lance Armstrong hit two parked cars after a night of partying in Aspen but agreed to let his girlfriend take the blame to avoid national attention.

mookieproof, Tuesday, 3 February 2015 19:03 (three years ago) Permalink

agreed to let his girlfriend take the blame agreed to let his girlfriend take the blame agreed to let his girlfriend take the blame agreed to let his girlfriend take the blame agreed to let his girlfriend take the blame agreed to let his girlfriend take the blame agreed to let his girlfriend take the blame agreed to let his girlfriend take the blame

Aimless, Tuesday, 3 February 2015 19:10 (three years ago) Permalink


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