the simpsons' peak period - can we have some consensus please ?

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i wonder when we'll see the 'Homer vs the people of New York' episode again

it was run here last week

oops (Oops), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 20:46 (eighteen years ago) link

Wait season VIII was and is GREAT!!!! Season XI on the other hand had some eh episodes, I can see where people could have been bummed.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 20:51 (eighteen years ago) link

Ohmigod season VIII has the Van Houten DIVORCE episode!!

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 20:52 (eighteen years ago) link

there is no peak
it was a gusher the whole time

dr gary bleune (dr g), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 20:52 (eighteen years ago) link

AND the pretzel mafia war episode! People thought this season was weak?!?! That's nutz.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 20:53 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah I was just looking at the eps from season 8 and there's a bunch of gems.

oops (Oops), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 20:54 (eighteen years ago) link

The John Waters episode!

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 20:55 (eighteen years ago) link

POOCHIE!

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 20:56 (eighteen years ago) link

THE JOHNNY CASH WILD PEPPERS OF QUETZALCANAKA OR WHATEVER EPISODE!

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 20:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Some of the more recent seasons are much better watched in bulk than on a weekly basis.

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 20:59 (eighteen years ago) link

"You Only Move Twice" from Season 8 is great too, where Homer gets the job with the happy, encouraging dotcom boss slash Bond supervillain, Hank Scorpio.

quality does not equal quality (wetmink), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 21:00 (eighteen years ago) link

casuistry is right.

jeffrey (johnson), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 21:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I cannot watch episodes from season 11 on. They are horrid, at best. The ONLY ep in season 11 I can stomach is "Take My Wife Sleaze", which is downhill after the first act. The third act rehashes the same fucking joke over and over (we're scum because we didn't realize there was another way to be). The opening scenes with Homer heading a biker gang are pure gold.

Season 4 is the best of the ones released on DVD thus far, but my fave episode comes from season 8 (Marge Be Not Proud). My 2nd fave ep is season 4 though (Last Exit Springfield).

I'll take well thought out flashbacks and fantasies over big plot concepts (Homer as an astronaut, monorials, etc).

Basically, if George Meyer ain't in the rewrite room, the new staff goes for the cheap shots.

snpp.com/episode guide

PappaWheelie B.C., Tuesday, 13 September 2005 21:01 (eighteen years ago) link

ohmigod the Hank Scorpio episode is perfect. maybe I will get season 8 after all.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 21:02 (eighteen years ago) link

but my fave episode comes from season 8 (Marge Be Not Proud)

Except that's season 7.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 21:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Season 15 was pretty good. Pieman! The Red Dress Press! Lisa as Evita!

Marxism Goes Better With Coke (Charles McCain), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 21:09 (eighteen years ago) link

season 8 is great! i mean, you can see a lot of signs of slipping, but the show was still hilarious. season 9 is almost entirely bad - i was just looking at a list of episodes and there's hardly any i'd ever want to see again, except the one where homer buys a gun.

season 10 has the last really classic episode (lisa cheats on a test, homer gets a pet lobster), at least.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 21:10 (eighteen years ago) link

but my fave episode comes from season 8 (Marge Be Not Proud)
Except that's season 7.

D'oh!

Okay, for season 8, allow me this quote:

"like, we tried nothin' man and we're all out of ideas!"

PappaWheelie B.C., Tuesday, 13 September 2005 21:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Why do I have a feeling that variations on this thread constitute the most widely asked message-board question on the Internet?

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 21:12 (eighteen years ago) link

And are a result of a generation gap possibly...

PappaWheelie B.C., Tuesday, 13 September 2005 21:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Season 9 has the New York episode! And Lisa the Simpson! With FROZEN Jasper! The Navy episode! The Helper monkey! It's good stuff.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 21:15 (eighteen years ago) link

A lot more fller is definitely slipping in by 9 & 10 though.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 21:18 (eighteen years ago) link

What's funny is that Season 8 seems to be both solid gold and kind of shakey. I mean, it has Scorpio, Milhouse's divorce, Lisa loves Nelson, Ned goes crazy, JOHNNY CASH, the Mountain of Madness, the nanny, Poochie, John Waters, David Hyde Pierce as Sideshow Bob's brother, the fishbulb episode, Frank Grimes, and the Simpsons Spin-Off Showcase. Which are all great, but which are all episodes that I've mentally tagged as "great exceptions to the decline", like I would have imagined them spread out over the next four or five seasons, but they're all that year. And even the ones that I haven't mentioned are pretty good (I may be overcompensating for recent rubbish, of course). Apart of course from Rodney Dangerfield.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 21:20 (eighteen years ago) link

I love Rodney. That episode's ending is the best.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 21:21 (eighteen years ago) link

Are the Treehouses still good? I'd definitely put around seven of them in my top ten episodes, but it wouldn't seem fair to the others.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 21:21 (eighteen years ago) link

Apart of course from Rodney Dangerfield.

B-b-b-but he spelled Yale with a 7.

PappaWheelie B.C., Tuesday, 13 September 2005 21:22 (eighteen years ago) link

7ale

PappaWheelie B.C., Tuesday, 13 September 2005 21:22 (eighteen years ago) link

or Ya7e

PappaWheelie B.C., Tuesday, 13 September 2005 21:22 (eighteen years ago) link

pwnd

Marxism Goes Better With Coke (Charles McCain), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 21:23 (eighteen years ago) link

The answer to this terminally irritating question is NO, WE CANNOT GET A FREAKIN CONSENSUS ON THIS because people keep whining about how awful later shows are, but then contradicting each other as to why or when. I'm so tired of this argument. So they have done some really dud shows, so what? Why does this argument never get trotted out about any other show? (and dont say "because the simpsons is so huge/has been on so long").

Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 21:23 (eighteen years ago) link

"whining".

Welcome to ILX...I mean, the internet...I mean, human interaction.

FUCK SEASON 11 AND BEYOND.

PappaWheelie B.C., Tuesday, 13 September 2005 21:25 (eighteen years ago) link

why don't we skip to listing the classic episodes from season 10-present. Marxism got me with Pieman, that was ace.

tremendoid (tremendoid), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 21:25 (eighteen years ago) link

The latest episode is always my favorite. Current is funny!

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 21:26 (eighteen years ago) link

well Trayce to be fair I do think the Simpsons is in uncharted territory - as far as long-running primetime cartoons go. But 2-8 does seem to be the general consensus...? or am I overlooking some vigorous dissentions...?

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 21:27 (eighteen years ago) link

It's good stuff

Yeah, but 8 has great stuff. I'd happily watch any of the 9 ones again, but probably not again after that for a long time (Exception: the New York episode, which I've already seen too many times, though I'm not sure I saw it twice.)

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 21:27 (eighteen years ago) link

The premiere was a bit lame, save for "the rubes" line and something i've probably forgotten.

Marxism Goes Better With Coke (Charles McCain), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 21:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Actually last night ch10 here showed a new one, where Homer's convinced Armageddon is nigh, and it wasnt too bad. I particularly liked how god himself boomed "DEUS EX MACHINA" and undid his own apocalypse. You cant argue it was a lazy out when they did it so blatantly =)

Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 21:28 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't think I laughed once last Sunday.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 21:28 (eighteen years ago) link

THE DECISIVE MOMENT:

Bart the Mother (#5F22 / SI-922) 27 Sep 1998
Bart accidentally kills a mother bird with Nelson Muntz's bee-bee gun, and tries his best to raise the mother's eggs on his own. But when the hatchlings turn out to be a pair of destructive lizards that harvest nests for their own survival, the town's bird population is placed at great risk. Guest voice Phil Hartman, in his final speaking role on The Simpsons.

The fall of Troy (McClure) = the fall of the Simpsons

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Tuesday, 13 September 2005 21:29 (eighteen years ago) link

"Rubes"

Marxism Goes Better With Coke (Charles McCain), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 21:30 (eighteen years ago) link

is a bee-bee gun the same as a BB gun?

rainy (rainy), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 21:31 (eighteen years ago) link

I just found out what "So I says to Mabel, I says" was a reference to. I'd always wondered.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 21:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh my god, what is it? I've always wondered, And basically concluded that it's just a thing to be saying when you're interrupted.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 21:35 (eighteen years ago) link

Actually last night ch10 here showed a new one, where Homer's convinced Armageddon is nigh, and it wasnt too bad. I particularly liked how god himself boomed "DEUS EX MACHINA" and undid his own apocalypse. You cant argue it was a lazy out when they did it so blatantly =)

-- Trayce (spamspanke...), September 13th, 2005.]

that is incredibly stupid

, Tuesday, 13 September 2005 21:37 (eighteen years ago) link

Bart uses the line "So I says to Mabel, I says" in El Viaje Misterioso de Nuestro Homer. What is this in reference to?

Some a.t.s. readers have attributed this quote to George Burns and Gracie Allen, as some kind of old vaudeville routine. Others have speculated that it is the type of thing you would hear an old gossipy housewife use on a 1950s sitcom and that Bart's use of it is the joke, much like his use of Cockney phrases or those of an 1890s prospector. Consarnit.

One fan reports to have also heard the phrase on a 1995 Monty Python CD-ROM game.

But the mystery of the actual reference has been revealed at last - or at least it seems - by a reader named Funkychuck: "It's actually from [the book] The Great Gatsby. The main character meets these two women who are already deep in conversation and the one says 'so I says to Mabel, I says' as he walks in. They have a short, pointless back and forth, the main character leaves, and the lady resumes the conversation with the same line over again. I'm not 100% on this, but I had just read the book when that episode aired and I remember feeling quite smart at having caught such an obscure reference. Unless I'm completely wrong, in which case I can resume feeling stupid. Hope this helps!"

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 21:39 (eighteen years ago) link

Basically, anytime they treat "The Simpson Family" as a character = dud.

Vacation episodes for cliche culture jokes = dud.

Overlooking nuances built into characters over 10 years = dud.

I'm done whining...sorry all, this subject is my lone sore spot, so I really should (and will) sign off now.

PappaWheelie B.C., Tuesday, 13 September 2005 21:42 (eighteen years ago) link

that is incredibly stupid

See this is why I hate these arguments. What is stupid? Why? Explain - and convince me.

Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 21:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Actually no, forget it, this has been done to death.

Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 21:43 (eighteen years ago) link

"You cant argue it was a lazy out when they did it so blatantly"

thats the stupid part. hope I cleared things up! :o)

, Tuesday, 13 September 2005 21:47 (eighteen years ago) link

i was trying to think of a post-season 12 joke that i really loved and i remembered this one: "aww, i have three kids and no money. why can't i have no kids and three money?"

from episode 397 (season 18)

― the mai tai quinn (voodoo chili), Monday, May 3, 2021 3:44 PM (twenty-five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

lol this one stuck with me too.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 3 May 2021 21:11 (two years ago) link

I doubt it, because then he’d have to explain why the Critic crossover was unacceptable (he took his name off the credits) but had no issue with the later Family Guy crossover.

older, insanely richer, did not think the current show had enough integrity to bother defending

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Monday, 3 May 2021 22:34 (two years ago) link

i could have sworn i saw an interview within the last five years with groening where he said the show was still good, he may have even said it was still on par with the 'classic' era

global tetrahedron, Tuesday, 4 May 2021 12:58 (two years ago) link

i could have sworn i saw an interview within the last five years with groening where he said the show was still good, he may have even said it was still on par with the 'classic' era


Doubt he wants to stop the checks coming.

Van Halen dot Senate dot flashlight (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 13:35 (two years ago) link


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