Obamacare / Affordable Care Act : classic or dud?

good. those plans were bullshit

Re: sign-up rates, isn't it still pretty nebulous how many people have signed up vs. how many people have signed up and, as required, paid the first month's fee?

Obamacare signup delayed -- for 2015

After the many bumps, ruts and roadblocks the Affordable Care Act has run into, health officials in Washington have decided to delay open enrollment in Obamacare -- not this year, but a year down the road.

The Department of Health and Human Services wants to give insurers, consumers and engineers more time to avoid the first go-round's site crashes, coverage train wrecks and cost surprises.
It has moved the start of next year's open enrollment from October 15 to November 15 and extended the sign-up period from roughly seven weeks to eight, an HHS official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, told CNN.

Nothing to do with an election. Nope.

Don't know if it's been discussed here but...

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=086_1385148641

Four in Ten Uninsured Americans Still Haven't Heard Anything About the Obamacare Exchanges
http://www.thewire.com/politics/2013/11/four-out-ten-uninsured-american-havent-heard-anything-about-obamacare-exchanges/355422

What, don't they go on the internet?

my gf the unicorn

http://www.pressdisplay.com/pressdisplay/viewer.aspx

secretary kerry and all the ayatollahs covering for healthcare.gov's glitches?

CNN analysis: No Obamacare subsidy for some low-income Americans

One of the basic tenets of Obamacare is that the government will help lower-income Americans -- anyone making less than about $45,900 a year -- pay for the health insurance everyone is now mandated to have.
But a CNN analysis shows that in the largest city in nearly every state, many low-income younger Americans won't get any subsidy at all. Administration officials said the reason so many Americans won't receive a subsidy is that the cost of insurance is lower than the government initially expected. Subsidies are calculated using a complicated formula based on the cost of insurance premiums, which can vary drastically from state to state, and even county to county.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/in-rural-kentucky-health-care-debate-takes-back-seat-as-people-sign-up-for-insurance/2013/11/23/449dc6e0-5465-11e3-9e2c-e1d01116fd98_print.html

If the health-care law is having a troubled rollout across the country, Kentucky — and Breathitt County in particular — shows what can happen in a place where things are working as the law’s supporters envisioned.

One reason is that the state set up its own health-insurance exchange, sidestepping the troubled federal one. Also, Gov. Steve Beshear (D) is the only Southern governor to sign on to expanded eligibility parameters for Medicaid, the federal health-insurance program for the poor.

duelling links!!

i bet the poor won't be able to afford romneycare, and the old will be subject to death panels

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/11/26/wonkbook-is-obamacare-turning-the-corner/

This guy is so horrible:

One of the Beltway's best-known pundits gave credence this week to perhaps the fringiest of all Obamacare conspiracy theories.

In an interview on Monday with the conservative Newsmax, Time's Mark Halperin said that so-called "death panels" are enshrined in the Affordable Care Act.

"It's going to be a huge issue," Halperin said. "And that's something else about which the President was not fully forthcoming or straight-forward."

"So, you believe there will be rationing, a.k.a 'death panels'?" host Steve Malzberg asked Halperin, the co-author of the 2012 election chronicle "Double Down."

"It's built into the plan. It's not like a guess or like a judgment. That's going to be part of how costs are controlled," Halperin said.

Anyone who's ever done a widespread implementation across multiple systems with competitive constituencies knew that this shitshow was going to happen. Nobody does this well--not Amazon, not Facebook, not Snapchat, not Obama, not anyone. Anyone remember this? And yet the planes keep flying.

The failure rate of big government IT projects is mind-croggingly huge. Just off the top of my head there's:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_Case_File
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/06/how-to-blow-6-billion-on-a-tech-project/
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/10/why-us-government-it-fails-so-hard-so-often/

Shocked that any of this works...

To be clear: the ACA website was created by a private company.

Most of these sites are created by a private corp.

they're talking about death panels again so I guess the website is almost fixed

can't wait to be put to death by a death panel frankly

take heart. the audit will end someday.

been reading a lot of gleeful columns by byron york lately, heavily slanted and piling-on about the aca's inherent, fatal failures, and how it will doom not only the act, but poison the public against the notion of big gov't programs overall. so it was good to go back and re-read this exchange, in 2008, between york and matt taibbi.

Got three e-mails this morning from the "Health Insurance Marketplace." They've got a logo and everything. My account has been created, they've confirmed my subscription change, I've apparently signed up for e-mail updates, and I can join the conversation on Twitter and Facebook.

Either the real ACA outreach is in even more disarray than advertised, or the grifters are doing just fine.

so now too many people are signing up?

http://in.reuters.com/article/2013/12/03/us-usa-healthcare-idINBRE9AR05M20131203

uh oh, we'd better cut taxes, and eliminate long term unemployment insurance

I checked out the plans and punched in our income and discovered that I don't qualify for any kind of subsidy, so whether or not I sign up this december or sign up maybe next fall seemed less urgent. The tax penalty in year one of ACA is low, so it isn't a big incentive, yet.

Margaret Talbot's experiences.

haha somehow amongst all the migrating of old plans to new plans, my company incorrectly changed the addresses of 2.3 million customers, nice work applause all around

hey play fair ALEC!

http://blogs.laweekly.com/informer/2013/12/obamacare_california_gop_website.php

ratfucking!

Gallup: Majority of Americans Want Major Changes to Health Law

social security for all

i should probably stop dragging my feet on this

commie!

http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/stateroundup/rubio-enrolls-in-obamacare-takes-federal-subsidy/2156529

Lie of the Year non-shockah

Oh dear

uh oh: "industry groups give up on lobbying for medicaid expansion"

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/obamacare-medicaid-expansion-lobbying-2015

"What I'm really struggling with is -- I don't even know how to talk about expanding Medicaid without just pissing Republicans the hell off and making them think I'm part of the problem," said a top official for one of the industry groups, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to talk frankly about the political reality in their state and avoid upsetting the chances of expansion in the long term.

I think these expansions will eventually happen because the amount of free money being left on the table is just too huge to ignore forever, but it may end up taking years.

I don't even know how to talk about expanding Medicaid without just pissing Republicans the hell off and making them think I'm part of the problem," said a top official for one of the industry groups, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to talk frankly about the political reality in their state and avoid upsetting the chances of expansion in the long term.

profile in courage

One of the basic tenets of Obamacare is that the government will help lower-income Americans -- anyone making less than about $45,900 a year -- pay for the health insurance everyone is now mandated to have.
But a CNN analysis shows that in the largest city in nearly every state, many low-income younger Americans won't get any subsidy at all. Administration officials said the reason so many Americans won't receive a subsidy is that the cost of insurance is lower than the government initially expected. Subsidies are calculated using a complicated formula based on the cost of insurance premiums, which can vary drastically from state to state, and even county to county.

this is now me, because I make a bit more money but well under that limit. No subsidy and the cheapest silver plan is $244 (cheapest bronze $180).

I'd continue to say fuck it rather than pay 10% of my income to insurance I likely won't use but I really want to take up Brazilian jiu-jitsu and I can't be comfortable doing that without insurance.

straining my empathy to feel bad for someone complaining about health ins costs but can do cool stuff like jiu-jitsu and gun buying.

that legendary american empathy

straining my empathy to feel bad for someone complaining about health ins costs but can do cool stuff like jiu-jitsu and gun buying.

― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, December 26, 2013 6:25 PM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah this is right on everyone should have to pour money into bullshit instead of spending their time doing stuff

totally with you on the ilx.xls mandatory background check for gun owners but otherwise i mean

i could be deluding myself, but i feel like the hysterical reaction about obamacare's rollout and early impact has died-down some, at least judging from the twitter feeds of some conservative "advocacy-journalists" i follow (e.g., byron york, who's begun to find time for other topics).

xxp I know, right? If your hobbies are playing with firearms and getting kicked in the face, who has time for nonsense like health insurance? Someone else will pay for that if it comes up.

I mean, I get the vibe that Milo's the ilxor most likely to own nunchuks but begrudging jiu jitsu is basically the same as all those bullshit "I saw a POOR PERSON WITH AN IPHONE" Facebook things ppl repost

Someone else will pay for that if it comes up.

someone else paying for it is awesome; everybody else paying for the healthcare of people who need it is how healthcare can work

i am reared on socialised medicine so i can just leave if it's gonna make people awkward

i could be deluding myself, but i feel like the hysterical reaction about obamacare's rollout and early impact has died-down some, at least judging from the twitter feeds of some conservative "advocacy-journalists" i follow (e.g., byron york, who's begun to find time for other topics).

― Daniel, Esq 2, Thursday, December 26, 2013 10:51 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It's kind of strange, no one really talks about it at all anymore in the MSM. I'm sure there's all sorts of speculation about FEMA camps or something on the Blaze tho.

I guess the Duck Dynasty thing really sucked up a lot of the oxygen

Man, Granny, the gun control threads were all over a year ago, you can let it go.

fyi, I want to try jiu jitsu because I'm getting older and want to remember what it was like being even a little bit athletic. No depth perception so rec league basketball lost out.