What's the best Genesis album?

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Your Own Special Way is beyond pukey and the irredeemable ruination of that album imo

but my heart is full of woah (NickB), Tuesday, 19 November 2013 17:17 (four years ago) Permalink

W&W i mean. Still have a soft spot for Duke though, first Genesis record I bought

but my heart is full of woah (NickB), Tuesday, 19 November 2013 17:20 (four years ago) Permalink

That was Genesis in the era when they would regularly appear in lists of footballers' favourite music alongside the Police and jazz funk.

but my heart is full of woah (NickB), Tuesday, 19 November 2013 17:22 (four years ago) Permalink

three years pass...

Foxtrot > A Trick of the Tail > Duke > Selling England by the Pound > Nursery Cryme > Invisible Touch > And Then There Were Three > Wind & Wuthering > The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway > Abacab > Trespass > Genesis > We Can't Dance > Calling All Stations > From Genesis to Revelation

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Friday, 7 July 2017 20:02 (one year ago) Permalink

*cracks knuckles* ok here we go

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Friday, 7 July 2017 20:16 (one year ago) Permalink

abacab
wind & wuthering
the lamb lies down on broadway
duke
a trick of the tail
foxtrot
nursery cryme
genesis
selling england by the pound
and then there were three
invisible touch
trespass
we can't dance

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Friday, 7 July 2017 20:18 (one year ago) Permalink

i feel like i'm underrating selling/attwt/invisible touch at the end there but i basically love all of those records except trespass (which is fine) and we can't dance (which is half great half horrible)

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Friday, 7 July 2017 20:19 (one year ago) Permalink

wau @ Foxtrot so high.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 July 2017 20:23 (one year ago) Permalink

man this would be so difficult, though I'm pretty sure Selling England is #1 and Calling all Stations is at the end of the list

frogbs, Friday, 7 July 2017 20:27 (one year ago) Permalink

The first live one. Docked one point for leaving off Supper's Ready.

dinnerboat, Friday, 7 July 2017 20:54 (one year ago) Permalink

wau @ Foxtrot so high.

― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, July 7, 2017 1:23 PM (thirty-three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it's all great. ppl who think "time table" is weak need to get right

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Friday, 7 July 2017 20:57 (one year ago) Permalink

'Time Table' is one of my favourites.

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Friday, 7 July 2017 21:11 (one year ago) Permalink

ecstatic you two have kissed and made up

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 July 2017 21:26 (one year ago) Permalink

Man, the first part of 'Mad Man Moon' is so beautiful.

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Friday, 7 July 2017 22:36 (one year ago) Permalink

first side of trick is the best shit on earth

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Friday, 7 July 2017 22:36 (one year ago) Permalink

and then side two has the title track and the percussion-tastic 'Los Endos' ...

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Friday, 7 July 2017 22:59 (one year ago) Permalink

Of the ones I listen to:
Lamb >> Selling England By the Pound > Nursery Cryme = Foxtrot

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Saturday, 8 July 2017 01:16 (one year ago) Permalink

"home by the sea" is the fuckin best

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Saturday, 8 July 2017 01:24 (one year ago) Permalink

The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway
Selling England by the Pound
Foxtrot
Wind & Wuthering
A Trick of the Tail
Nursery Cryme
Abacab
and my familiarity with the albums gets hazy after that. I will listen to everything if there's a poll coming up.

jmm, Saturday, 8 July 2017 01:26 (one year ago) Permalink

The Gabriel albums captured my heart at a formative age so I can't really be objective about them.

jmm, Saturday, 8 July 2017 01:29 (one year ago) Permalink

The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway is often cited as the pinnacle of early Genesis, but I'm not really convinced that it is. While it certainly contains more music than any other Genesis studio album, there's portions of The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway that strike me as being a bit dull, and the band seem to be lacking in energy throughout - consequently, the whole thing ends up being a bit of a slog for me, even though the album has several highlights. I find the plot of the record to be a bit silly, too. A Trick of the Tail, although it captures a band in crisis due to their lead vocalist leaving, also captures a band that are re-energised and are into what they're doing.

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Saturday, 8 July 2017 03:16 (one year ago) Permalink

First half of Lamb is great, second half more ... nebulous.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 8 July 2017 03:25 (one year ago) Permalink

i love basically every part of the lamb

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Saturday, 8 July 2017 04:30 (one year ago) Permalink

i'll acknowledge that the first half is basically perfect and that the second half is maybe a little more unsolid but that's as far as i'll go

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Saturday, 8 July 2017 04:31 (one year ago) Permalink

The plot's no sillier than Supper's Ready, Battle of Epping Forest, other tracks where Peter is the main lyricist. I love the music and so embrace the goofiness.

I do think including the prose version of the story was a bad idea though.

jmm, Saturday, 8 July 2017 04:59 (one year ago) Permalink

I can ignore the lyrics on 'Supper's Ready' completely, but 'The Battle of Epping Forest', which has some nice musical parts, is far from my favourite Genesis epic.

The relative lack of energy (the title track, for example, has always felt like it needs to be a touch faster and more aggressive) and a little too much meandering padding are bigger issues for me on The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway than the lyrics, fwiw.

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Saturday, 8 July 2017 12:21 (one year ago) Permalink

i love basically every part of the lamb

^^^^

Will admit to not even knowing what the plot is, despite having listened to this many times. A road trip favourite for me.

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Saturday, 8 July 2017 13:30 (one year ago) Permalink

invisible touch is the best genesis album. not a single bad song on it.

Mr. Snrub, Saturday, 8 July 2017 13:31 (one year ago) Permalink

It's about Peter Gabriel wishing Bob Fosse had directed him on stage singing "On Broadway."

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 8 July 2017 13:31 (one year ago) Permalink

xpost

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 8 July 2017 13:31 (one year ago) Permalink

alfred otm

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Saturday, 8 July 2017 13:39 (one year ago) Permalink

essentially the wall of death falls over new york city and rael meets some wacky characters and then a bird steals his penis iirc

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Saturday, 8 July 2017 13:43 (one year ago) Permalink

I only really listen to Nursery Cryme and Trespass, think that caught them at a great juncture. & the live sets from around teh time.
& then disown the rest of their catalogue.
Just got a lotof their early BBC stuff from a Demonoid torrent.
But picked up the 2008 remasters when they happened, also Foxtrot which I didn't get into much.

Stevolende, Saturday, 8 July 2017 14:04 (one year ago) Permalink

2008 remasters are controversial. Some vocals/instruments mixed down, some mixed way up, iirc.

Sometimes the first half of "Lamb" is my favorite, sometimes "Abacab," sometimes sometimes "Trick of the Tail," sometimes even "Invisible Touch," but never s/t and rarely "Duke" or "And then ..." (for some reason). Usually "Selling England" is my favorite. At the very least, I think "Dancing with the Moonlit Knight" is the band's playing apex, and Peter's lyrical peak (in Genesis) as well. Sort of ... proto Morrissey?

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 8 July 2017 14:06 (one year ago) Permalink

the remasters are also remixes which is why they're controversial beyond the "steve hoffman forum" sense

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Saturday, 8 July 2017 14:24 (one year ago) Permalink

duke
a trick of the tail
invisible touch
genesis
and then there were three
foxtrot
abacab
three sides live
selling england by the pound
the lamb lies down on broadway
nursery cryme
wind & wuthering

I think you could guess which Genesis era I grew up in from that list. their prog back catalogue was my first deep dive into an artist, but the gabriel albums never spoke to me as much.
I admit to never listening to anything after invisible touch, and I'm not really familiar with anything before Nursery Cryme, so my list is truncated on each side.

enochroot, Saturday, 8 July 2017 14:27 (one year ago) Permalink

On "Selling" and "Lamb" in particular, even "Trick" and "Wind," I find it remarkable how well Phil's drums in particular are recorded. They just sound great. They always do, too, especially ironic for a guy who helped invent the sound of '80s drums.

Until I read his book I never knew much about his pre-Genesis stuff. Like:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzBYib_Pko8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwG2lvssEzo

Or

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPOqAHN4T9c
^written and sung by Phil c. 1968

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 8 July 2017 15:06 (one year ago) Permalink

Like a few others here on ILM, i've been running up-and-down their catalog -- seems like i've been listening to nothing else for the last week. Lots of treats buoyed on the back of both decades of reflection and fresh ears. Side note; why "Squonk" wasn't a single, i'll never understand; the title alone?

Faves in two camps:

Trespass from Gabriel-era
Duke from Collins-era

bodacious ignoramus, Saturday, 8 July 2017 15:53 (one year ago) Permalink

This is lovely. Adore the ToTT and WaW period Genesis. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5Y1L2aFt8M&t=0s

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 8 July 2017 16:01 (one year ago) Permalink

Let's try that again: https://youtu.be/x5Y1L2aFt8M

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 8 July 2017 16:02 (one year ago) Permalink

is it weird of me to say that i don't think of genesis as an album band? they sounded great when everything came together, but a lot of the time it didn't.

i recall reading a story from the first half of the 20th century that reminded me of the pre-"supper's ready" story printed on the inside of "live". it was only a couple weeks ago but i don't remember what it was exactly. sometimes i think peter gabriel's song introductions were the best part of his era of genesis. few things are more painful than listening to phil collins trying to replicate that style on the '76 tour.

The Saga of Rodney Stooksbury (rushomancy), Saturday, 8 July 2017 16:09 (one year ago) Permalink

I saw The Musical Box a couple of years ago, and not only were they awesome (at the time they had a balding left-handed drummer who even sang like Phil!), but their singer nailed replicating the weird Pete intros.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 8 July 2017 16:44 (one year ago) Permalink

This one has the Phil ringer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmLLs4EtMAA

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 8 July 2017 16:51 (one year ago) Permalink

Here's a more recent lineup doing all of "Lamb." Apparently Genesis are fans, and lent them their old slides and props:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlX4moDYEmA

Here's a bit of Phil sitting in. He said it was a struggle:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWZT0EHKjCk

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 8 July 2017 16:55 (one year ago) Permalink

wind and wuthering
a trick of the tail
and then there were three
selling england by the pound
the lamb...
foxtrot
nursery cryme
duke

no time for the rest...

heaven parker (anagram), Saturday, 8 July 2017 17:37 (one year ago) Permalink

The only track I'd take off of The Lamb is Ravine, which does feel like a pointless meander at that point in the album. The other instrumentals are solid.

There's a bunch of live Waiting Rooms on Youtube. Genesis would have made a killer krautrock band.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lmeyb8bX4Uo

jmm, Saturday, 8 July 2017 21:33 (one year ago) Permalink

there's a great 12-minute rehearsal jam on "fly on a windshield" floating around out there (not on youtube that i can find or i'd link it). kind of reminds me of embryo for whatever reason.

The Saga of Rodney Stooksbury (rushomancy), Saturday, 8 July 2017 22:03 (one year ago) Permalink

I don't really know their discography very well, but I don't anything is going to top Foxtrot for me, so that's probably why. Supper's Ready has the cutest lyrics of all time.

tangenttangent, Saturday, 8 July 2017 22:30 (one year ago) Permalink


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