Obamacare / Affordable Care Act : classic or dud?

i assume the contractors will reimburse the federal government for their "work" on this (he says, laughing)

So with the reversal - does that negate stuff like a compulsion to cover people with pre-existing conditions and the like, kids on their parents' plan, all those changes made? And is there an expiration to this extension of old plans?

No. Yes, 1 year.
There's already been A LOT of migrating people to new plans from their current nonACA plans. Would've been nice if Obama didn't wait til nearly December to announce this shit, christ.

i know talking about messaging is an eyeroll inducer, but seriously, what's up with everyone being totally cool with calling this latest thing "the Obamacare FIX"? first, the thing that the "fix" is supposedly addressing - the fact that some people with shitty insurance have to change insurance plans to something that's not an insult - is not something that is broken or unanticipated. lawmakers knew this was coming, presumably, although i can see why they weren't jumping out of their boots to trumpet the fact to constituents. but calling it a "fix" implies that it was broken, and that's not the case. the aspect of obamacare that is broken, in the meantime - HealthCare.gov - isn't impacted by this "fix" at all.

I guess it sort of fixes the problem that these people who are losing their crappy plans can't start up a new plan. I don't know how well it fixes this problem and surely it will have other negative consequences as well, but presumably it will alleviate the fear that they will be left without insurance.

BOB's ACA vs. junk insurance. oh well

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/insurance-company-using-obamacare-scare-tactics-to-sell-crappy-insurance

After yesterday's fit I'm not gonna worry about it. It's possible the bungling will whittle the president's "capital" but that's not our problem, is it? Every day more people enroll. When the website is fixed, more will enroll. If ACA works I don't give a shit how low Obama sinks in polls.

plus there'll be the fun of HRC "distancing" herself from him

http://www.theatlantic.com/past/docs/issues/2001/02/curtis.htm

I entered the Kahiki, said to be modeled after a New Guinea men's meetinghouse, between a pair of twenty-foot-high Easter Island idols with flames spouting from their heads. Inside, after crossing a low bridge and passing through a damp grotto, I wandered into a series of dining rooms filled with thatched "dining huts." The main room, a conical structure with a towering ceiling, was presided over by an eighty-foot-high tiki goddess with glowing red eyes and a fireplace for a mouth.

rip

haha wrong thread

i'd like to see hillary run on medicare for all, but who knows

medicare for all AND Tiki Bars for all

and electric car chargers to replace a gallonagas

and student loan debt jubilee!

whoa the website works for me now

let The Corner know!

i feel like i should ask you the sort of questions near death experience people get asked

when you got into the website, was there a warm feeling of glowing light? were all your old friends there waiting for you?

tbh it did feel kind of magical

pages even load fast

this is Obama's gotcha moment - HAHA IT WORKED ALL ALONG, FOOLED UUUUUUU

http://www.salon.com/2013/11/16/can_we_trade_obama_for_nixon/

what a stupid article

well it's by the film critic who wrote that The Counselor was the worst ever.

it was just a month ago that the GOP had fatally wounded itself for the '14 elections, amirite?

The circus cycle is neverending and nothing has changed since the Clintonistas destroyed the last progressive vestige of the Dem party.

ouch, oregon hasn't enrolled a single user . . . but "has received about 18,000 paper applications, at 19 pages each, and is scrambling to manually file and clear them"

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/once-leader-oregon-exchange-struggles-132443462.html

the headline is stupid, the article makes some good points.

xp - i am one of those 18,000 paper applications! and i felt so accomplished even getting to the point where i could even turn it in, agh

Officials Were Warned About Health Site Woes

The McKinsey report found that the effort was at risk because of issues including “significant dependency on external parties/contractors,” as well as “insufficient time and scope of end-to-end testing,” and “parallel stacking of all phases,” all predictions that have turned out to be accurate. Briefings on the report were held in the spring at the White House and at the headquarters of the Health and Human Services Department and for leaders at the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid, congressional investigators said.

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House Republicans have latched on to a final report by the Mitre Corporation, one of the main firms hired to assess the security of the site, which said on Oct. 11, 11 days after the site went live, that it was “unable to adequately test the confidentiality and integrity” of the health exchange. Mitre went on to say that a “complete end-to-end testing” of the site “never occurred.”

Important:

...And it is unclear how many fixes remain to be made, because the list keeps changing.

This issue (which is very common in software development) is going to make things complicated for the near term.

walkercare: "a plan that allows Walker to reject Obamacare and turn down federal money offered to help states pay for expansion of Medicaid [but] also may make it possible for Wisconsin to still provide health coverage to many of the state's poor and working poor residents"

http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2013/11/19/246003602/wisconsin-chooses-its-own-path-to-overhaul-medicaid

"will cost state taxpayers an additional $460 million through 2020..."

Yeah, but that's $460 million of their money, not taken from the stupid tax-and-spend government! Oh wait, I mean, look over there ... !

(runs away)

the funny part about that quote is the idea that walker gives half a shit about wisconsin's "poor and working poor residents"

"will cost state taxpayers an additional $460 million through 2020..."

― reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, November 19, 2013 2:28 PM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the price tag of self-reliance

So, uh, no surprise: health care site works where states allow exchanges to happen.

the state sites work, not the fed one, right?

Federalism rearing its beautiful head.

federalism > feudalism

$174MM for the fed's broken website. I wonder what California paid.

Less contractors involved, less options needed

The backend theoretically would be way less complicated for sure.

So if every state built their own, would the fed one even be needed?

yeah I don't think so.

maybe it says in the FAQ

http://obamacarefacts.com/insurance-exchange/california-health-insurance-exchange.php

yeah the oregon article posted above indicates that the states with their own websites are running them independently of the federal version. oregon is working with oracle on its (non-functioning) website, and in the past week they've taken down their claim that online registration should be working by the end of the month. instead they're pointing people to PDF applications and local "application fairs."

Since google is giving the government all of our emails and stuff you'd think we could ask them to set up our health care website.

http://www.texasobserver.org/a-galveston-med-student-describes-life-and-death-in-the-safety-net

New Tech Worries Loom for Health Law

...He said people are working around the clock, "fixing the functional defects" of the site. "There's still a lot of moving parts. It wouldn't be prudent to give 100% guarantees about where we are going to be, but I think we are on the right track," he said.

...But Mr. Swedish said it was too soon to write off the Affordable Care Act. "I'd say the potential is there for a significant uptake" in consumers wanting to sign up for coverage, he said. Then "we will be communicating with the young. We will be communicating with the Hispanic community."

Connecticut, Kentucky, Minnesota, and Washington [are] on track to exceed their enrollment targets. [. . .] Last week, [New York] officials reported that close to fifty thousand people had signed up for health insurance through the state’s new Web site, NY State of Health, with about half of them taking out private plans and half enrolling in Medicaid. “I would say we are seeing great interest in New York, and we are very pleased with our enrollment numbers,” Danielle Holahan, the deputy director for NY State of Health, said.

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/johncassidy/2013/11/americans-like-obamacare-where-they-can-get-it.html?currentPage=all

California Won't Let Insurers Reinstate Policies, Pitting Backers Against Each Other

Meeting Thursday, the board of California's health-insurance exchange unanimously decided to stick to its stance blocking older policies that don't meet the law's coverage requirements. It won swift praise from some state lawmakers.

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Among states with Democratic governors, nine including California have said they won't allow carriers to renew the plans in 2014, seven have said they will and four were still deciding as of Thursday.

good. those plans were bullshit

Re: sign-up rates, isn't it still pretty nebulous how many people have signed up vs. how many people have signed up and, as required, paid the first month's fee?