Frederick Wiseman

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at berkeley was excellent and sparked a good conversation later on with an activist friend who was in the library that day. she, unsurprisingly, had a different take on the administration than the one the film more or less lands on.

ill never click this homo erotic site again (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 14 November 2013 20:55 (ten years ago) link

i haven't seen it yet, but i am extra curious about it for a number of reasons.

in fact, i was explaining that there are different types of documentaries to my students on tuesday and i showed them about 10 min of Juvenile Court and they were visibly repulsed when i turned the lights back on to get their reactions. they were just like OMG THAT WAS SO BORING, like they were going to die of boredom right there in the classroom.

haha

sweat pea (La Lechera), Thursday, 14 November 2013 21:17 (ten years ago) link

berkeley IS 4+ hours so you damn well better have a taste for wiseman's patient pacing and subtle subfrequency didacticism if you're gonna watch it. There are a bunch of "wiseman moments" where he juxtaposes the near surreal with the quotidian, like when you jump cut from watching a board room meeting to seeing three women dissecting a vulture. The movie plays like his Tempest; like he's looking back on a long creative life and surveying how modern youth is processing. There's a lot of holistic humanism too, both explicit (lengthy talk about Walden and how any disturbance in the pond sends out ripples but ultimately all is quiet unless you look beneath) and implicit (watch for the single lawn mower!). Workers sweeping stairways and laying water lines don't get to talk but Wiseman's point that "you are what you do" keeps everyone equally anonymous and equally honest (or dishonest). He did a brief skype interview from paris following my viewing and he commented that the only thing they didn't let him tape was the tenure committee meetings and that the administration had no oversight or editing capability on the piece.

ill never click this homo erotic site again (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 14 November 2013 21:31 (ten years ago) link

Seems like the most overlooked Wiseman (and I've seen most of them) is ESSENE. If he only made that and PRIMATE, that would have been enough -- retire, you done good.

The Thnig, Thursday, 14 November 2013 21:35 (ten years ago) link

i don't like to think that his movies are ultimately about him and his career (rather than his subjects), but maybe at this point, they are? i didn't feel that way about high school 2, which was the most recent one i saw? i think?

sweat pea (La Lechera), Thursday, 14 November 2013 21:44 (ten years ago) link

oh, i dunno that's what it really was "about" exactly, it just resonated in that way with me.
prob my two faves are "zoo" and "missile" - the former is almost like a dream and the second is like wandering through an alternate military reality

ill never click this homo erotic site again (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 14 November 2013 22:47 (ten years ago) link

one month passes...

At Berkeley premieres on Independent Lens tonight --some reviews here http://www.pbs.org/independentlens/blog/berkeley-reviews

mambo jumbo (La Lechera), Monday, 13 January 2014 20:27 (ten years ago) link

nine months pass...

"National Gallery" is terrific.

Johnny Hotcox, Friday, 7 November 2014 14:45 (nine years ago) link

i've been watching CANAL ZONE while i practice speed drills and it's surprisingly dull.

cross over the mushroom circle (La Lechera), Friday, 7 November 2014 14:49 (nine years ago) link

man, national gallery is GREAT

Steve 'n' Seagulls and Flock of Van Dammes (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 9 November 2014 16:25 (nine years ago) link

boffo ending too

Steve 'n' Seagulls and Flock of Van Dammes (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 9 November 2014 16:25 (nine years ago) link

"I’m of the opinion that Duck Soup is a documentary, but I’m not sure how widely shared that is. If you want to understand how government or large institutions work, see Duck Soup."

http://www.fandor.com/keyframe/frederick-wisemans-top-4-documentaries

things lose meaning over time (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 16 November 2014 18:15 (nine years ago) link

haw

So beautiful cow (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 16 November 2014 18:23 (nine years ago) link

well it's definitely not a comedy

sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Sunday, 16 November 2014 20:23 (nine years ago) link

why do you say that

schlump, Sunday, 16 November 2014 23:14 (nine years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Watched most of Adjustment & Work last night. Classic classic Wiseman, beautiful color too. It looked like I remember 1985-1986 looking too, which I find enjoyable. The guy learning how to walk around the town square and cross 4 streets consecutively while making turns made me feel genuinely nervous for him. Still got maybe 20 min left, but subjects are treated with utmost dignity afaict.

vigetable (La Lechera), Friday, 12 December 2014 16:57 (nine years ago) link

I saw him do a Q&A after National Gallery last month; he's in postproduction with a portrait of Jackson Heights, Queens.

things lose meaning over time (Dr Morbius), Monday, 15 December 2014 15:49 (nine years ago) link

I'd like to see National Gallery once more, at home and with time to pause over all the art talk. There's a lot of it; I drifted for a few minutes about an hour into the film. Gratifyingly, none of it sounded the least bit pretentious to me, or at least not until the woman who reads the poem near the very end. I liked At Berkeley just a bit more than this, but they're of a piece: the talk never stops, the funding may. My favourite images were the simplest, people in repose looking at art. The faces in the paintings were amazing; I sensed an implicit argument that the faces of the gallery goers were just as interesting. I found the dance piece at the end very odd. At first I thought it was being performed for a small gallery group, but it seems to have been created for the film. Very un-Wiseman-like, which was maybe why it was there. The last 30 seconds were perfect.

clemenza, Friday, 26 December 2014 22:05 (nine years ago) link

seven months pass...

opening this fall

http://filmforum.org/film/in-jackson-heights-film

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 12 August 2015 19:44 (eight years ago) link

Awesome!

National Gallery is on PBS this week or next, check yr local listings

let's not get too excited w/ the ouches (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 12 August 2015 21:09 (eight years ago) link

My next big project is - I'm working with a choreographer on a ballet based on my first film, Titicut Follies. Part of the ballet will be performed at the Toronto Film Festival on September 11. And the world premiere will be in October of 2016 in New York.

Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Friday, 21 August 2015 20:23 (eight years ago) link

RollOnYouBears123 1 point 5 hours ago
As a graduate film student focused on documentary, I've been very much inspired by your body of work.
What is your advice to aspiring documentarians looking to make a career out of documentary filmmaking?

FrederickWiseman 3 points 4 hours ago
Marry rich.

Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Friday, 21 August 2015 20:24 (eight years ago) link

hahaa, true

cannot believe there's going to be a choreographed titicut follies
that's beyond what my brain can comprehend

La Lechera, Friday, 21 August 2015 20:27 (eight years ago) link

two months pass...

IJH is playing in DC this weekend as well as NYC

http://www.zipporah.com/films/44

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Friday, 6 November 2015 18:02 (eight years ago) link

two months pass...

Film Comment reported he's been shooting at the 42nd Street library.

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 3 February 2016 17:11 (eight years ago) link

two months pass...

Basic Training, not surprisingly, is far from the hyper-stylized set pieces and confrontation you find in most of even the greatest war films. (Not my favorite genre, I'll note.) You get the more mundane side of basic training instead--and when generals and such dress down recruits, they don't have veins bulging in their foreheads, it's done with mild condescension and sarcasm. Also not surprisingly, the black recruits get the worst of it. I'm sure it's a film that had more resonance when it appeared in '71, in the wake of Cambodia, Kent State, and Nixon's ongoing machinations--there was probably a disconnect, too, because of how mundanely and un-cartoonishly the military brass is presented. I liked it, but not as much as Hospital or Juvenile Court, which bracket it, and by the time of Welfare four years later (which I just re-watched), Wiseman's working at a whole other level.

clemenza, Sunday, 17 April 2016 13:52 (eight years ago) link

four months pass...

In Jackson Heights is the 2015 film I most wish I'd seen in the theater (it never screened here).

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 August 2016 03:09 (seven years ago) link

I'm annoyed that I missed it in theaters also.

This is starting up next week - have planned my next few months around it:
http://www.cinefamily.org/films/the-complete-works-of-frederick-wiseman-pt-1-1967-1976/

Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 17 August 2016 08:15 (seven years ago) link

two weeks pass...

honorary Oscar! the shame got to them.

The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 September 2016 14:45 (seven years ago) link

one month passes...

Primate was this weekend's film at Cinefamily's Wisemen fest - I wish I had a picture of the audience faces when *that* scene came up.

Elvis Telecom, Monday, 17 October 2016 03:24 (seven years ago) link

Such a great scene. You keep thinking it can't go farther, and it keeps going farther. One of his best, most morally conflicting films.

The Thnig, Wednesday, 19 October 2016 19:24 (seven years ago) link

five months pass...

Film Forum in NYC launches first half of their complete Fred retro

http://filmforum.org/series/the-complete-wiseman-part-i-early-wiseman-series

also, somehow, Titicut Follies[ is now a ballet (at Wiseman's instigation).

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 11 April 2017 14:49 (seven years ago) link

Just missed the chance to see that here:

http://www.jsballet.org/16-17-season

insidious assymetrical weapons (Eric H.), Tuesday, 11 April 2017 14:51 (seven years ago) link

six months pass...

Ex Libris is very much of a piece with At Berkeley and National Gallery: the day-to-day flow of what happens there, mixed with endless meetings where board members try to figure out ways to secure funding and keep the institution operational. I've thought all of Wiseman's recent films with the exception of Boxing Gym were great, and this one is too. I will say, though, that he finds more interest in those meetings than I do. They have to be there, but after 20 years of staff meetings and workshops and P.D. days at my job, my meeting enthusiasm-meter is at nil. It's a language and a way of interacting I can't hear anymore.

clemenza, Tuesday, 31 October 2017 11:44 (six years ago) link

eleven months pass...

Monrovia, Indiana
is straight out of a Faulkner novel. Tribulation and death in every scene.

Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 27 October 2018 19:43 (five years ago) link

fuck bbcode - go see this

Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 27 October 2018 19:44 (five years ago) link

two weeks pass...

I liked it more than the last two NYC features. He really makes meetings about hydrants and benches count.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 21:34 (five years ago) link

His rhythm was off by a few minutes this time, but distinguishing great from good Wiseman is silly. Watch it, ILX!

I like queer. You like queer, senator? (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 21:35 (five years ago) link

I thought the library and Jackson Heights were both, by his standards, a little shapeless. The ending really sticks here.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 21:37 (five years ago) link

who needs a remake of The Loved One, right?

I like queer. You like queer, senator? (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 21:38 (five years ago) link

one month passes...

I've been waiting forever on Monrovia, Indiana; just googled the title + Toronto and discovered it played for three days in October. How I missed that, I have no idea. I feel terrible about this--may not get another chance short of a Wiseman series at the Lightbox or a ridiculously expensive DVD.

clemenza, Sunday, 30 December 2018 22:38 (five years ago) link

Do you have Kanopy access? There are about 40 Wiseman films on there right now; Monrovia not yet, but I'd guess that it's coming.

jmm, Monday, 31 December 2018 03:55 (five years ago) link

That actually worked, I'm signed up--thanks. Monvoria's not on there yet, but with so many Wiseman films, right up to the last few, I assume it will be soon.

clemenza, Monday, 31 December 2018 20:29 (five years ago) link

that's the medium through which I saw High School at last

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 31 December 2018 20:45 (five years ago) link

three weeks pass...

really urge those who have not yet seen Monrovia, Indiana to do so

and then listen to this analysis, around 27 mins in

http://www.thecinephiliacs.net/2019/01/2018-countdown-with-keith-uhlich-part-1.html

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 21 January 2019 17:47 (five years ago) link

six months pass...

Monrovia, Indiana has been added to Kanopy. Will make an effort to watch it soon--but then I said the same thing about State Legislature, also on Kanopy, and never followed up. I hate the idea of watching a film on a computer screen.

clemenza, Saturday, 17 August 2019 15:13 (four years ago) link

State Legislature is so good!!! Get your hands on a projector and watch it on a wall or something. So many meetings!!

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Saturday, 17 August 2019 15:58 (four years ago) link

Just got Monrovia in the mail & am really looking forward to it.

Saw State Legislature in a theater and it felt like I was really there at those budget debates!

“Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Saturday, 17 August 2019 16:29 (four years ago) link

Finally watched Monrovia over coffee this morning, one of his best. The funeral at the end got me so hard. Fave part though was when it cut to the meeting of the town council for the first time, and the lady goes “Now about this new BENCH...” I was like oh hell yes Fred, give me that sweet sweet meeting content.

“Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Saturday, 31 August 2019 03:14 (four years ago) link


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