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"be glad you're not just a character scrawled in the margins of somebody else's lost notebook: you'd be deadly dull."

SPOILER ALERT!!!!!!

the late great, Friday, 8 November 2013 21:49 (five years ago) link

apollo & daphne?

the late great, Saturday, 9 November 2013 01:19 (five years ago) link

why does he have only one shoe

the late great, Saturday, 9 November 2013 01:24 (five years ago) link

actually if I recall correctly the main character in nova only has one shoe

the late great, Saturday, 9 November 2013 04:57 (five years ago) link

And the main character in stars in my pocket also has messed up hands. delany has weird fetishes!

the late great, Saturday, 9 November 2013 04:58 (five years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Shall we do this in the new year? What's a good breakdown and I'll post a thread round mid-jan?

xyzzzz__, Monday, 25 November 2013 21:52 (five years ago) link

It's in 7 parts, so maybe one week each? Except the last section is quite a bit longer and more complex, so maybe 2 weeks for it plus summing-up? 8 weeks total. Is that too long?

WilliamC, Monday, 25 November 2013 22:27 (five years ago) link

ffs you people read fast

the late great, Tuesday, 26 November 2013 01:48 (five years ago) link

I tried book clubbing this with my wife and brother last year. Got a lot further than those two scrubs but still stalled out about halfway through. Wouldn't mind finishing it.

Ornate Coleman (Moodles), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 02:04 (five years ago) link

I managed to finish this mostly because I brought it with me to jury duty and ended up just sitting in the waiting room all day.

rob, Tuesday, 26 November 2013 03:27 (five years ago) link

It's in 7 parts, so maybe one week each? Except the last section is quite a bit longer and more complex, so maybe 2 weeks for it plus summing-up? 8 weeks total. Is that too long?

― WilliamC, Monday, November 25, 2013 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yes! I'd say a month, or 5 weeks at a push.

Ordered a copy from my library today - once I get it I'll have a browse and think on this..

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 26 November 2013 15:50 (five years ago) link

I'll never keep up. I could do 1 part a month for sure but 1 part a week? Maybe when I was 22.

Pressgang Wolf (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 17:02 (five years ago) link

i vote for sixteen weeks

the late great, Tuesday, 26 November 2013 20:13 (five years ago) link

PKD was right about this one

Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 03:39 (five years ago) link

What about Harlan Ellison@?

Skatalite of Dub (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 03:52 (five years ago) link

Hey Shakey, there is no articulate resonance. The common problem, I suppose, is to have more to say than vocabulary and syntax can bear. That is why I am hunting in these desiccated streets. The smoke hides the sky's variety, stains consciousness, covers the holocaust with something safe and insubstantial. Knowwhatimean?

Servings Per Container: 736 (WilliamC), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 04:19 (five years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Got my copy from good ol' inter-library loan - lets see if PKD was right.

My thinking now goes something like: we'll never finish as a collective, so lets do about 3-4 parts (at 350-400 pages) and then a final oh-whoever-reads-through-the-rest and want to add more is invited to do so?

How about starting this on Mid-Jan? Post a thread then - the worst that can happen is no one answers/takes this on. It will be 'hilarious'.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 19 December 2013 16:27 (five years ago) link

I'm in for whatever happens. One hope I have for this is to use it as a training session in close reading, something I've always been an abject failure at. (Which is funny, considering Delany has always been one of my favorite authors.)

diffidently worth every cent!!! (WilliamC), Thursday, 19 December 2013 16:41 (five years ago) link

my ancient copy self destructed so i got the new ugly tpb version. gonna bring it with me over xmas holidays, looking forward to revisiting this novel that i loved as a young feckless autodidact. always goes well.

adam, Thursday, 19 December 2013 16:51 (five years ago) link

maybe i'll join, i do have an unread copy of this on my bookshelf. my strong hunch is that i won't be into it but who knows

johnny crunch, Thursday, 19 December 2013 16:55 (five years ago) link

Great! Monday 13th January is the date for your diaries.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 19 December 2013 16:57 (five years ago) link

If I can get this for free I'm in.

Scuse me while I kiss this guy correspondent (ledge), Thursday, 19 December 2013 17:07 (five years ago) link

Inter-library loans. Can't say it enough :)

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 19 December 2013 17:13 (five years ago) link

Took over a month the last time I tried that. Also Lambeth libraries have 3*Delany, 0*Dhalgren. Hopefully the internets will provide an epub though.

Scuse me while I kiss this guy correspondent (ledge), Thursday, 19 December 2013 17:30 (five years ago) link

The last section has some very specific formatting requirements meant to convey the sense of multiple passages written into a notebook, possibly or possibly not by different authors. I don't know enough about epubs to know whether they can handle that sort of thing.

WilliamC, Thursday, 19 December 2013 17:40 (five years ago) link

From the sound of things I won't get that far.

Scuse me while I kiss this guy correspondent (ledge), Thursday, 19 December 2013 18:04 (five years ago) link

My local borough has no Dhalgren so they got one from Wandsworth lib.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 19 December 2013 18:25 (five years ago) link

one month passes...

finished re-reading my six month old reread of triton, now just to finish through the valley, only been reading that for a year and a half, then i'll get on this dhalgren thing, how's everyone else doing

♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Monday, 27 January 2014 11:22 (five years ago) link

I'm not at the mo as my copy was recalled back (wonder if it was an ilxor).

If someone wants to start the thread sometime otherwise I'll get round to it.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 27 January 2014 11:25 (five years ago) link

I read Dhalgren for the first time with a group last year, so I probably won't be taking part in the thread, but I'll just mention the wide-ranging Paris Review interview with Delany from a few years ago:

http://www.theparisreview.org/interviews/6088/the-art-of-fiction-no-210-samuel-r-delany

Fredric Busch's observations on publishing Dhalgren are also worth reading, particularly since Delany offers corrections to Busch's account in the comments section:

http://www.thewaythefutureblogs.com/2011/01/chip-delany-part-2-the-miracle-of-dhalgren/

one way street, Monday, 27 January 2014 16:55 (five years ago) link

A weird typo above: by Fredric Busch I meant Frederik Pohl.

one way street, Monday, 27 January 2014 16:56 (five years ago) link

that is a weird typo, you should get a larger phone

♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Monday, 27 January 2014 21:18 (five years ago) link

or a better analyst

one way street, Monday, 27 January 2014 22:32 (five years ago) link

i'm ready to go when you all are

what do you think of "triton" thomp? i think it might be my second-favorite delany.

the late great, Monday, 27 January 2014 23:08 (five years ago) link

it's my favourite after 'mad man' probably; idk, it reminded me to Think About Things when i read it first time round; this time round it felt more uncomfortably close i guess bcz more life-experience to try and connect with the narrative stuff and reconcile with the theoretical stuff. -- that's not very interesting, is it? i'll think about it. i do think (like all his best stuff!) it actually is stronger at what it's doing for delany's failings; like he does a great job of not just building his project around his strengths but designing it such that his not-quite-there and overdetermined-feeling characterisation/dialogue/description seem an essential part of his affect

i was thinking of proposing a feb 14 start date for dhalgren, but mainly just because it was convenient for me to do so

♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 01:11 (five years ago) link

five years pass...

book club, this time for real?

the late great, Tuesday, 26 March 2019 15:29 (five months ago) link

yeah i'm in

Mordy, Tuesday, 26 March 2019 15:43 (five months ago) link

just bought the ebook, hope the formatting is up to scratch.

what if bod was one of us (ledge), Tuesday, 26 March 2019 15:53 (five months ago) link

What about the audiobook?

Theorbo Goes Wild (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 26 March 2019 15:56 (five months ago) link

Is this the thread or do we need a new one bc I’m liable to start tnite

Mordy, Tuesday, 26 March 2019 16:10 (five months ago) link

i was unsure, there may already be one

the late great, Tuesday, 26 March 2019 16:17 (five months ago) link

A friend of our family, a 17-year-old girl, asked us all what our favorite novels were. I said this one and she asked to borrow it. I tried to warn her away from it but she insisted, so she's got one of my 2 copies. She got about 250 pages in pretty much lost interest.

CPAP Makers Scrambling After New ILX Sub-board Unveiled (WmC), Tuesday, 26 March 2019 18:04 (five months ago) link

i mean huge credit to her getting 250 pages in

Mordy, Tuesday, 26 March 2019 18:18 (five months ago) link

I have a copy and have read like ten pages. i'm in.

adam the (abanana), Tuesday, 26 March 2019 23:44 (five months ago) link

I’m in. (famous last words, pvmic etc.)

Theorbo Goes Wild (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 21:32 (five months ago) link


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