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yeah

nakhchivan, Tuesday, 5 November 2013 22:42 (ten years ago) link

do you think you could tell they were british from their demeanour and physiognomy

nakhchivan, Tuesday, 5 November 2013 22:43 (ten years ago) link

they do look like cops who have one line or inefficient henchmen from British crime shows

sarahell, Tuesday, 5 November 2013 22:45 (ten years ago) link

there is something very real about them

nakhchivan, Tuesday, 5 November 2013 22:53 (ten years ago) link

they probably had no idea that they were committing an indictable offence

nakhchivan, Tuesday, 5 November 2013 22:54 (ten years ago) link

a couple of them have physical traits that resemble the criminals Foucault talks about in that section in Discipline and Punish

sarahell, Tuesday, 5 November 2013 22:55 (ten years ago) link

discipline is a surname found in the same estuarial satellite towns those m8s come from

abysmal real names

nakhchivan, Tuesday, 5 November 2013 22:57 (ten years ago) link

he did write about physiognomy of criminality -- didn't he? Or am I thinking of a different book by someone else?

sarahell, Tuesday, 5 November 2013 22:58 (ten years ago) link

Discipline vs. the racist tattooed NFL bro, Incognito?

sarahell, Tuesday, 5 November 2013 22:58 (ten years ago) link

idk i haven't read all of that, and not for some time

there is a lot about the physiognomic determination of moosbrugger's criminality in the man without qualities

it seems a bit victorian for foucault? unless he was criticizing all of those victorian phrenologists

nakhchivan, Tuesday, 5 November 2013 23:00 (ten years ago) link

he was talking about the history of criminality iirc

sarahell, Tuesday, 5 November 2013 23:01 (ten years ago) link

attributing englishness or real englishness to physiognomy probably less anachronistic than attributing criminality

nakhchivan, Tuesday, 5 November 2013 23:01 (ten years ago) link

i mean, some of those dudes look kinda like yankeeland bros

sarahell, Tuesday, 5 November 2013 23:02 (ten years ago) link

Re: Rams take Richie Incognito (C, Nebraska) in the Third Round

I liked how the name Incognito came about. His grandpa came from Italy, was at Ellis Island and no one could understand him so the clerk wrote down Incognito and it stuck.

Maybe that's what's wrong with Richie. Just misunderstood.

nakhchivan, Tuesday, 5 November 2013 23:03 (ten years ago) link

why are you so interested in the physiognomy of ethnicity/nationality?

sarahell, Tuesday, 5 November 2013 23:05 (ten years ago) link

subsidiary to the german american thing, narcissism of small differences among white northern european people, shadow archetypes, do english people exist etc

not a general interest

nakhchivan, Tuesday, 5 November 2013 23:08 (ten years ago) link

that's just an interesting way of expressing that interest, to me.

sarahell, Tuesday, 5 November 2013 23:10 (ten years ago) link

maybe the eventual end of white rule in america will lead to european americans trying to radically reaffirm themselves by undoing the metissage inherent in their construction

nakhchivan, Tuesday, 5 November 2013 23:16 (ten years ago) link

m8s and m8dchens

nakhchivan, Tuesday, 5 November 2013 23:17 (ten years ago) link

narcissism of small differences among white northern european people

Very similar to football tribalism imho

The normative power of the factual (Michael White), Tuesday, 5 November 2013 23:17 (ten years ago) link

yeah, i think it's already been established that i am not a "what you call football" person, though i grew up watching NFL games on tv with my dad, and there weren't really any regional physiognomical differences between the teams.

sarahell, Tuesday, 5 November 2013 23:19 (ten years ago) link

Britishes, what's the legal logic behind these criminal statutes? It's not that they're prevented from being racist or saying racist things, it's that they're essentially yelling "fire" in a crowded theater?

The normative power of the factual (Michael White), Tuesday, 5 November 2013 23:22 (ten years ago) link

just a public order offence of threatening violence, with racial aggravation? idk public order offences seem very british in character

nakhchivan, Tuesday, 5 November 2013 23:23 (ten years ago) link

sports tribalism doesn't seem interesting at all, just narcissism of arbitrary differences

nakhchivan, Tuesday, 5 November 2013 23:27 (ten years ago) link

i hadn't read the article until now -- how are they banned from football? Like, I had thought they were players based on that language.

sarahell, Tuesday, 5 November 2013 23:27 (ten years ago) link

Football attendance his highly policed in Britain after several highly visible disasters in the 80's. It's like having your name on a TSA no-fly list, sarahell

The normative power of the factual (Michael White), Tuesday, 5 November 2013 23:33 (ten years ago) link

just narcissism of arbitrary differences

Like narcissism of small differences among white northern european people is all I'm saying, unless you chose the country of your identity and adherence.

The normative power of the factual (Michael White), Tuesday, 5 November 2013 23:35 (ten years ago) link

a friend of mine who worked in social services in liverpool noted how the local scally kids from the deprived estates that the thatcher govt wrote off also have a kind of 'look' about them which is quite distinctive and goes beyond the regulation sportswear, the sort of hunched posture, preternaturally lined forehead from staring down while looking upwards, sullen and ghostly pale

nakhchivan, Tuesday, 5 November 2013 23:42 (ten years ago) link

it is relatively common among white ppl in America to discuss their ethnicity and have certain beliefs about how it determines their behavior and appearance, which is strange to me, because there has been so much mixing here. Like, these aren't 1st or 2nd generation people.

sarahell, Tuesday, 5 November 2013 23:45 (ten years ago) link

yeah the narc of sd aspect becomes more interesting once it gets to the level of mythos

nakhchivan, Tuesday, 5 November 2013 23:46 (ten years ago) link

i have a dear friend that will comment on things I do or how I look with "being Irish" as an explanation.

sarahell, Tuesday, 5 November 2013 23:49 (ten years ago) link

I have another dear friend that will make similar comments with my astrological sign as an explanation.

sarahell, Tuesday, 5 November 2013 23:52 (ten years ago) link

have you ever had any degree of belief in horoscopes?

nakhchivan, Tuesday, 5 November 2013 23:54 (ten years ago) link

astrology is one of those things i am really ambivalent about that i think is really interesting! I don't really believe in daily or weekly horoscopes, but the descriptions and characteristics of astrological birth signs I don't completely disbelieve, which is pretty logically inconsistent.

sarahell, Tuesday, 5 November 2013 23:57 (ten years ago) link

one of those is "403" and the other is the swallow tattoo m8 I thought was attractive

sarahell, Wednesday, 6 November 2013 00:30 (ten years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/g1dbKrs.jpg

nakhchivan, Wednesday, 6 November 2013 00:36 (ten years ago) link

my family's home had carpet in those colors when i was growing up!

sarahell, Wednesday, 6 November 2013 00:41 (ten years ago) link

three months pass...

http://artreview.com/home/news_10_feb_14_stuart_hall/

RIP - Resistance through Ritual was a real summer jam!

sarahell, Monday, 10 February 2014 12:52 (ten years ago) link

seven months pass...
three weeks pass...

today i saw a large, beautiful german shepherd running very fast and elegantly through the streets in north philadelphia. i was going to stop my car and try to help it so it didn't get hit, but i had two other people in the car and they didn't want to do this and now i feel sick. i think it was some kind of omen, maybe… my mom had a german shepherd growing up that looked like this one and she describes it as this legendary figure, almost, who would follow very specific commands (go in the other room and lay down. go wake up _____. etc.) my name is very similar to this dog's name, and i've always suspected that my mom named me after this dog (which would be, idk, weird) but she denies it.

anyway, what's the deal? does this mean i am going to die? ?

(semiotics is a kind of fortune telling right?)

Treeship, Friday, 7 November 2014 23:10 (nine years ago) link

your mom had a dog called Treship?

Stim McRaw (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 November 2014 23:28 (nine years ago) link

semiotics isn't fortune telling, but it could address the fact your mom named you after a dog. Does she treat you a like pet? Does she give you treats in order to gain your love? Does/did she have trouble "letting go" when you became an adult?

sarahell, Friday, 7 November 2014 23:33 (nine years ago) link

did she have you fixed?

Stim McRaw (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 November 2014 23:38 (nine years ago) link

http://www.neuticles.com/images/ballcap.jpg

???

sarahell, Friday, 7 November 2014 23:43 (nine years ago) link

this is too personal. i am going to consult a woman with a tarot card tattoo i see sitting on the other side of the reading room. thank you for your time.

Treeship, Friday, 7 November 2014 23:54 (nine years ago) link

trís it seems like you need a psychoanalyst, perhaps a lacanian one

the final twilight of all evaluative standpoints (nakhchivan), Friday, 7 November 2014 23:58 (nine years ago) link

i have a fb friend who is a lacanian psychoanalyst!

sarahell, Saturday, 8 November 2014 00:03 (nine years ago) link

treesit

estela, Saturday, 8 November 2014 00:12 (nine years ago) link


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