Doesn't FALLOUT: NEW VEGAS deserve its own thread?

I just started this a couple of weeks ago and I love it. I knew I would love it because I love Fallout 3 but I love this too.

I just started playing through the DLC for this and I'm currently painted into a frustrating corner in Dead Money. I don't quite have enough health left to barge my way back through hordes of bastards after setting off the gala opening in the belltower. I might have to go back to a previous saveg. Grr. I played through Old World Blues first and it was a lot more fun. Can't wait for Dead Money to be over...

and that's exactly when I gave up on dead money too.

Yeah, Dead Money was dire. I enjoyed the Mt Zion & OWB dlc tho

Just finished Dead Money. What a horrible piece of shit. I'm rich now but doubtful if was at all worth it. Just started Honest Hearts - it must be better, right?

i didn't think it was so bad but maybe that's because in the main game my current char only needs to fire one laser rifle shot from 500 yards to make someone actually explode, so having to whale on near-invincible demons with sticks for a while was a nice change

honest hearts is much, much prettier and the stuff w "the survivalist" is great but i don't remember there being any challenge at all

yeah HH seemed pitched to a lower-level character

I enjoyed the one with the robots with TV for heads, where you get lobotomised - which one was that? But I found with the DLC for both Fallout 3 and New Vegas that it was the game's central narratives that kept me chugging along, and didn't feel nearly as compelled to slog along once the mysteries of who shot the courier/where the dad was were solved.

def had that reaction to the f3 dlc but f:nv does a neater job of leaving loose ends (elijah's trip east, the burned man, the other courier) so that the dlc is about stuff i was already curious about instead of like oh, a spaceship

i guess the nv world just feels bigger than the game and f3 didn't to me

one thing that worked great in that respect is how the gameworld is being fought over by a power to the west and a power to the east and you hear about both of them constantly but never see their homelands

(f2 players have spent plenty of time in the ncr but you get the sense it was much wilder then)

NV's multiple minor factions make it seem like a more lived-in place. i really liked its treatment of the bro'hood of steel as this odd culty thing sitting sorta apart from the main conflict, where f3 just treated them as a default good guy group

xp yeah the evidence that california had become this more-or-less resettled state was a cool tip to, say, deadwood or something.

yeah otm about the BoS, who are in NV what they were in 1 and 2 (see also: super mutants)

dlh otm - I played a bit if Fallout 3's DLC but I didn't feel compelled to continue like I do with New Vegas. The breadcrumbs for the stories are laid pretty clearly through the main game and it's been fun putting the pieces together so far, even if Dead Money was a bust.

a post in this thread i think about every time i play this game is fields of salmon's:

One of the themes in the game is that these fucked-up little communities are somehow viable in their own way and submitting them to bureaucratic/managerial structures AGAIN negates the opportunity for exploring different modes of organizing groups of people that we haven't tried before...

because so much of the game is spent learning disillusioning things about the ncr that are all the usual disillusioning things about capitalist republicanism (government in the pocket of cattle barons, the momentum of doomed imperialist adventures becoming more powerful than the executives supposedly managing them -- pres. kimball's five minutes of hot air followed by a depressed hot-mic "ok, let's get the fuck out of here" a nice touch in this regard) and then caesar calls you into his tent to lecture you about the hegelian dialectic and argue that the only answer is fascism. the independent-vegas ending is a rebuke to this whole version of history but it isn't pat or feelgood and the ending slides imply you maybe haven't thought this through all that well yourself

unless there's a way to get it NOT to say that the followers of the apocalypse "struggle to provide even basic services" to the anarchic vegas you create. i've tried.

well child rearing has ground my horror and episodic tv to a halt, so guess who just picked up the legendary edition or whatever for the ps3. rolling out a fairly balanced female character with bumps in intelligence and charisma, curious to see if theres any difference based on gender. will still enjoy it if not, plus having all the weapons cache shit preloaded should make a difference. fuck the ncr this time around, also stoked to try all the dlc since all i did last time was the nightmare casino one.

I just ventured out of Goodsprings for the first time on my way to Primm and was confronted by a couple of coyotes. One of them lunged at me so I shot at it without killing it, so it backed off. Then the other one came at me, which I was able to one-shot, but when it died it made an oddly pathetic whimpering sound. I checked its corpse and it turned out to be a coyote pup and now I feel terrible, like the worst human being ever.

It was either you or them dude