said it before but wendy near-singlehandedly saves her life and her son's life in this movie. the misogyny criticism seems to rest on the notion that she screams and cries too much while doing it. if only there was a word for the belief that a woman's emotions make her stupid and weak.
― i want to say one word to you, just one word:buzzfeed (difficult listening hour), Monday, 4 November 2013 18:14 (ten years ago) link
Masculinity iirc
― midnight outdoor nude frolic up north goes south (Eric H.), Monday, 4 November 2013 18:16 (ten years ago) link
yeah there's always been a sense in which those criticisms seem to fault Wendy for not turning into Linda Hamilton or something. like "i find this female character weak and annoying" therefore "this movie is misogynist." but she's totally heroic as dlh points out! just not in the action hero way.
― ryan, Monday, 4 November 2013 18:18 (ten years ago) link
i mean in reality like 99% of people in that situation, men or women, would find themselves weak-kneed and hysterical too. but she pulls through!
― ryan, Monday, 4 November 2013 18:19 (ten years ago) link
he's still capable of good stuff but Carpenter is right when he says Cronenberg's crawled up is his own ass a bit too much. (otoh Carpenter is clearly no longer capable of good stuff himself)
― Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 4 November 2013 18:19 (ten years ago) link
I would've co-signed that as of a year ago, but Cosmopolis took me by surprise. (Not that that movie offers any compelling evidence that Cronenberg is NOT up his own ass, obv, but that it's a more compelling form of self-parody than History of Violence or Eastern Promises.)
― midnight outdoor nude frolic up north goes south (Eric H.), Monday, 4 November 2013 18:21 (ten years ago) link
you've got to be just about the only person I've heard say they liked that movie. I haven't seen it (I'll probably get around to it at some point), but I liked his previous three well enough to varying degrees. I still laugh about Viggo's delivery of "that's a very Protestant remark".
― Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 4 November 2013 18:29 (ten years ago) link
If I got to have a 40-year directorial career, the first thing I would do is plan the expansion of my rectum so I could move in.
Cosmopolis and A Dangerous Method are DC's best 1-2 in awhile.
I don't partic find The Shining misogynist.
― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Monday, 4 November 2013 18:30 (ten years ago) link
I'm only interested in subletting my rectum.
― midnight outdoor nude frolic up north goes south (Eric H.), Monday, 4 November 2013 18:32 (ten years ago) link
Cronenberg's crawled up is his own ass a bit too much.
I was about to say, sounds like a scene from one of his movies.
― pplains, Monday, 4 November 2013 18:32 (ten years ago) link
(if anyone makes a funnier movie about the Great Recession than Cosmopolis, lmk.)
― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Monday, 4 November 2013 18:32 (ten years ago) link
Cosmopolis was pretty good i thought. it loses me every time in the last scene though.
― ryan, Monday, 4 November 2013 18:34 (ten years ago) link
I don't think The Shining is misogynist, either. Jack clearly doesn't have a particularly high opinion of women or Wendy, but he's very much the bad guy. And yeah, Wendy wins, even if she is a noodle arm with a bat.
― carl agatha, Monday, 4 November 2013 18:37 (ten years ago) link
Feels like the documentary that Vivian Kubrick shot abt the making of The Shining - where Kubrick really loses his temper w/ Shelly Duvall at one point - has bled into ppl's perception of the film, of Duvall being bullied and belittled
― Ward Fowler, Monday, 4 November 2013 19:15 (ten years ago) link
also: bros worshiping jack
― 1 P.3. Eternal (roxymuzak), Monday, 4 November 2013 21:22 (ten years ago) link
agreethe movie itself never struck me as misogynist
also this is otm said it before but wendy near-singlehandedly saves her life and her son's life in this movie. the misogyny criticism seems to rest on the notion that she screams and cries too much while doing it. if only there was a word for the belief that a woman's emotions make her stupid and weak.
― sweat pea (La Lechera), Monday, 4 November 2013 21:42 (ten years ago) link
seemed like the poster of jack making the jack face through the hole in the doorway was second only to travis bickle practicing his aim when it came to dorm room movie posters (travolta and Sam Jackson in pulp fiction up there too.)
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Monday, 4 November 2013 21:51 (ten years ago) link
Scarface
― carl agatha, Monday, 4 November 2013 23:51 (ten years ago) link
Showed this to the girlfriend last night for the first time. Have we ever mentioned how all of Wendy Carlos' spooky music cues seemed to have been completely nicked by "Ghostbusters?"
Also, if you stream this from Amazon, you get the slightly extended version.
― An Android Pug of Some Kind? (kingfish), Tuesday, 19 November 2013 01:52 (ten years ago) link
this movie is very cynical about fatherhood
― Mordy , Monday, 9 December 2013 03:40 (ten years ago) link
i only just noticed for the first time that when jack is going insane, before he's actually homicidal, wendy has basically taken over all the major responsibilities for the hotel - she's working the boilers to make sure they don't all freeze to death during the storm.
― Mordy , Monday, 9 December 2013 03:48 (ten years ago) link
isn't that like saying mommie dearest is cynical abt motherhood
― a hard dom is good to find (Edward III), Monday, 9 December 2013 04:00 (ten years ago) link
Both movies are awesome at moviehood.
― Alfre, Lord Woodard (Eric H.), Monday, 9 December 2013 04:06 (ten years ago) link
yes! it's notable that wendy does ALL the work in the hotel, including the work of parenting, but her work is never mentioned. jack's work - talked about so much in the movie, and the whole point of their being there - finally amounts to typing the same complaint about work over and over for pages. def intentional, def important.
― 1 P.3. Eternal (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 10 December 2013 22:05 (ten years ago) link
i feel sorry for the assistant who actually had to type all those pages
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 10 December 2013 22:21 (ten years ago) link
http://www.thefoxisblack.com/2013/12/12/siri-bunford-takes-us-behind-the-scenes-of-stanley-kubricks-the-shining-in-this-clever-commercial/
― Alfre, Lord Woodard (Eric H.), Thursday, 12 December 2013 19:22 (ten years ago) link
Saw Room 237 the night before last - loved it. Went in kind of hoping for total crazies, came out glad that it wasn't actually like that at all (except for moon-landing hoax man). Just revelled in the micro-analysis and pattern-finding.
― emil.y, Wednesday, 8 January 2014 21:43 (ten years ago) link
Also, this is great:
― 1 P.3. Eternal (roxymuzak), Tuesday, December 10, 2013 10:05 PM (4 weeks ago)
OK, the conspiracy guy's thing about the carpet pattern actually made my jaw drop. It proves nothing, but damn.
Otherwise, thought that the moon stuff was actually the weakest part of the film; would have liked either him or the movie to make some kind of link between such a conspiracy and what's going on in the film thematically. The rest of the participants made much stronger arguments for their cases (though the stuff about the genocide of Native Americans was nothing new--I thought this was a fairly common and popular reading of the film).
― Inside Lewellyn Sinclair (cryptosicko), Monday, 13 January 2014 06:50 (ten years ago) link
MOON ROOM
― |$̲̅(̲̅ιοο̲̅)̲̅$̲̅| (gr8080), Monday, 13 January 2014 15:09 (ten years ago) link
lool that was the funniest part for me
i'm still impressed by that woman's detailed map of the hotel
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 13 January 2014 18:16 (ten years ago) link
Anybody read the BFI bk on The Shining yet?
http://www.theguardian.com/books/2013/nov/15/shining-roger-luckhurst-review
― Ward Fowler, Monday, 13 January 2014 18:20 (ten years ago) link
I'm saving it for a snowy day.
― Alfre, Lord Woodard (Eric H.), Monday, 13 January 2014 18:21 (ten years ago) link
http://uk.movies.yahoo.com/the-shining-twins-attend-kubrick-screening-in-london-121249287.html
― Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 29 January 2014 21:12 (ten years ago) link
aw!
pretty reprehensible to use a national enquirer article as yr sole source for where-is-shelley-duvall-now, not that i know where shelley duvall is now
― i want to say one word to you, just one word:buzzfeed (difficult listening hour), Wednesday, 29 January 2014 21:18 (ten years ago) link
absolutely true but this photo is riveting to mehttp://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/I.XF94HokYUNU_.ZulxuuA--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTYzMA--/http%3A//l.yimg.com/os/publish-images/movies/2014-01-29/2b3a2799-0692-47ac-bf86-2bf8904e2eac_danny-torrance-the-shining.jpg
― PSY talks The Nut Job (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 29 January 2014 22:03 (ten years ago) link
Feel like I would be remiss if I didn't post a link to this Shining tee a local printing company released this month.
http://pizzapartyprinting.com/collections/t-shirt/products/the-shining-t-shirt
― how's life, Wednesday, 29 January 2014 22:06 (ten years ago) link
his mouth looks totally different, eyeballs the same! weird
― mambo jumbo (La Lechera), Wednesday, 29 January 2014 22:10 (ten years ago) link
tbf he evicted Tony so you'd expect some changes mouth-wise
― Ian from Etobicoke (Phil D.), Wednesday, 29 January 2014 23:17 (ten years ago) link
lmao
― 1 P.3. Eternal (roxymuzak), Thursday, 30 January 2014 04:53 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rNicTi9FWY
hope he spent his money wisely
― tonga, Thursday, 30 January 2014 11:26 (ten years ago) link
i love that clip so much. he has the best smile
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 31 January 2014 03:09 (ten years ago) link
kurbrick selfie
http://postgradproblems.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/e73cc5a7ea318313163f465f4a8e2a43.jpg
― balls, Friday, 31 January 2014 03:20 (ten years ago) link
that's cute! it's missing a hint of shelley but otherwise perfect.
― mambo jumbo (La Lechera), Friday, 31 January 2014 05:37 (ten years ago) link
is that his daughter?
― |$̲̅(̲̅ιοο̲̅)̲̅$̲̅| (gr8080), Friday, 31 January 2014 14:18 (ten years ago) link
Yeah, think that's Vivian, who shot the 'Making Of' docu
― Ward Fowler, Friday, 31 January 2014 14:20 (ten years ago) link
http://www.openculture.com/2014/01/stanley-kubricks-annotated-copy-of-stephen-kings-the-shining.html
― PSY talks The Nut Job (forksclovetofu), Friday, 31 January 2014 15:53 (ten years ago) link
filled with macgruber-esque insanity
― the Norwegians are leaving! (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 31 January 2014 16:05 (ten years ago) link
oh that's rad. i like where he highlights the explanation of cabin fever and writes "this is the 1st thing the audience will worry about."
― i want to say one word to you, just one word:buzzfeed (difficult listening hour), Friday, 31 January 2014 17:36 (ten years ago) link
driving me crazy that i can't read the note just below that, on jack's unadapted remark about how "a stupid man is more prone to cabin fever": "[something] should say this? it seems [something something something] to say it." it seems like bad job interview technique is what it seems like.
― i want to say one word to you, just one word:buzzfeed (difficult listening hour), Friday, 31 January 2014 17:39 (ten years ago) link