pitchfork is dumb (#34985859340293849494 in a series.)

Lol Mordy. Okay, whatever you say. Let's just keep on keepin' on.

I don't know why you're trying to turn this into an argument between the working-class guys just trying to make it, man, and the elitist leftist women who just want frivolous things like jobs and paychecks and the ability to not be career failures

Because he's trying to prove that he's not a sexist!!!!

POINTING OUT INSTITUTIONAL BIASES IS THE REAL BIAS

it's not about wanting to make $500,000K a year and be all like gold teeth, grey goose, it's about the fact that (I really like the publication and don't really know the writer but nevertheless) even gigs like personal-advice essays for teenage girls who read Rookie go to dudes with stuff like "The 50 Hottest Women in Tech."

er, on their resume, that is

(that said, some publications are actually very good with parity, including, germanely to this discussion, both Pitchfork and Spin.)

um, i'm not the one who was like "yeah, there are no jobs for anyone and also sfj is a man!!!" someone in this convo has an axe to grind and it isn't me (well, it's also me, but i didn't bring it up)

lot of tedious concern trolling from Mordy itt

where is Ann Powers writing right now btw? don't really see her name as
much as I used to

NPR still I believe

I'm starting to feel like I'm letting everyone down by NOT having gold teeth

totally bringing Grey Goose over to Maura's tho

one of the rites of passage of 2013 ilx is learning to never argue with mordy

(I cannot in good conscience keep my display name given the turn in conversation)

my boss went to lunch, everyone get over here with some Grey Goose

think we've determined that the answer to how to break it in the music writing biz is to just become manager of a borders and live in hoboken, alright

ilx 2013: a mordy'd curiosity

i want to see the working class woman make it too

xpost

also 'dash snowden' is a pretty good portmanteau, gj

def

So Jody Rosen is now the pop music guy at New York magazine, I guess

critic. Not with Mordy on this

who even runs rolling stone anymore

is this the wrong thread for this?

http://pitchforkreviewgenerator.com/

I love that thing

this is a real weird left turn for the thread to take and but w/r/t female writers i mean you have jenn pelli and carrie batten at p4k probably making minimum wage but in a few years they could replace whatever male supervisor is on the rung above theirs. unless you know different than i abt p4k internal politics? i feel like someone could write a good thesis on this but I'm guessing in the past maybe rock writing was consumed primarily by males and thus became an attractive to a primarily male audience as a potential career? but i could be wrong or it could be a chicken and egg thing too. anyway lets face it the rising stars of music journalism are primarily women the pelli sisters and carrie batten and maria sherman and claire lobenfield of stereo gum i could go down the list. mauara i am a big fan of yours and i would really love to hear your thoughts on this?

ill cash out now but i am gonna keep reading this thread! sorry i'm anon. I'm not gonna be like "here's who i am" when i don't know who any of u are (except no trivia, maura, and chris weingarden). i'm sorry for kicking a hornets nest. esp sincerely sorry to no trivia bc i came in here ranting but it seems like i misinterpreted what he was even saying. that was shitty of me and I'm sorry.

listen, it's not that big a deal to be anon. but if you caught wind of this thread or this entire board via twitter, and decided to jump in anonymously here when you could've, y'know, tweeted these observations to the people you obviously follow, it feels a little sneaky self-aggrandizing. you don't seem like a bad guy, though, feel free to stick around the board, or come back at some point in a way that won't 'out' who dashsnowden was itt.

eh twitter isn't exactly conducive to the long-form writing that dashsnowden was doing

well those are the only 2 options, you got me

don't be self-aggrandizing and post anonymously on ILX; start a tumblr instead

guys, the Edward Snowden of Pitchforkpayrategate is already on his way to Hong Kong, he can't even hear us anymore

hahaha

jonathan franzen surveys the wreckage, calls for censorship

I think the tech corporations are like the nineteenth-century coal magnates, and the free-lance writers are like the people slaving in the mines, the only difference being that the tech corporations can’t stop congratulating themselves on how they’ve liberated everybody. I think the Internet should be really strictly regulated, the way the airwaves used to be. If an entire region of the country had its main industry suddenly lose 90 percent of its paying jobs because of the predatory practices of a different region’s industry, you might, if you were the government, step in and say, “We can’t actually let this entire region starve. We’re going to subsidize prices, we’re going to redistribute some income.” Why should Apple shareholders be getting rich while working journalists are getting fired? This is an unjust situation, and the libertarians in Silicon Valley are either moral idiots or liars. They know they’re getting away with shit they shouldn’t get away with, and all they’ve got is this idea of libertarianism. That, and the mantra of making the world a better place.

http://scratchmag.net/free-preview-issue/the-scratch-interview-franzen/

somedude: no i'm still here! but as they say in the world of sports talk radio "i will hang up and listen." feel like a dick for crashing this, honestly didn't know you all knew each other irl and now kinda want to back out as if this never happened but rly i hope u guys keep talking abt this stuff bc i will like to read it and if i get more insight into spin media or p4k or vvm or anybody else i will share it here (anon, sorry) bc i feel like writers and editors are getting FUCKED for real. but i will keep the self aggarndization to a min. ;-)

the difference between anonymity and non-anonymity is that if you aren't anonymous, everything you say in an argument like this, even your participation in an argument like this, comes with the terrifying worry of "will this ruin my career?" I mean, shit, anyone who was referred here via twitter was referred here in the context of "hahahahaha look at this fucking asshole posting here, how dare she share an opinion," so obviously there are stakes here for me.

(and I'm not even getting into the issue of having potentially signed nondisclosure and/or nondisparagement contracts that could have an effect on what you are and are not allowed to say, publicly or privately.)

tbf, you legally couldn't

exactly

jumping in waaay late but the 2nd tier alt-weeklies were already paying less than p4k is today back in 2004-5 or so, if not earlier.

Katherine - I pretty much backed off once you told me I ruined two consecutive days of your life, but hey, if you're going to keep mischaracterizing things I've said, and me responding ruins your day, well then I'm getting more and more okay with ruining your day again. I'm tempted to think you're trolling me here man. I mean who keeps on keeping on about a topic and then gets this upset when the person you're saying negative things about responds (in a fairly civil manner!!!). It's frustrating that you're categorizing my response to you as "hahahahaha look at this fucking asshole posting here, how dare she share an opinion." It's more, "Hi guys! Just stepping in here to say Katherine's debunking here seems questionable to me, and hey, please trust me that these aren't numbers I made up or exaggerated, because I don't really have any motivation for making numbers up." When you claim to be debunking what someone is saying, then you are claiming that they are not being truthful. It seems reasonable that I can respond to someone that is saying I'm not being truthful.

I believe your exact words were "SMH at these ILX dopes "debunking" my Tumblr post."

notrivia, this seems like a good one to let go

for what it's worth, though, I'm not trolling. as someone who dislikes conflict, I fundamentally don't understand the appeal of trolling in general. if I came across as trolling, it was my mistake.

Katherine - right because it was dopey and it was a number of people being like, "Aw man, case closed," not just you, but a few other dopes as well, speculating and throwing info around that's just plain incorrect. I then wrote a fairly even-handed response here on this board that didn't attack you or name call at all and you still told me I was ruining your day. I've never said anything of the sort but hey, it's kinda day-ruining to have someone play fast and loose with anonymously provided data from a fucking Tumblr about how much writers pay to suggest that I'm a liar, you feel me? Do you know how the Internet works? You say something about someone and hey, that someone might respond back to you. Also, we've interacted before! We have friends in common. Why not email me or DM me before you decide to "debunk" what I said? If you did any of these things then maybe you'd be legit in presenting me as some monster who ruined your day, but as it stands, you pretty much called me a liar, and then are surprised that I would respond. OKAY BYE NOW GUYS, NOT TALKING ABOUT THIS ANYMORE.

I'm sorry. I really don't understand what I did wrong, but whatever it is, I'm sorry for it. (For what it's worth, I know the person who runs the site and trust her -- a site that isn't even a "fucking Tumblr" anymore, even if that means anything at all and even if the submission process was truly anonymous, which it isn't -- but I'm sorry anyway. I don't understand why I couldn't have been emailed or DMed instead of being called out by name in public for posting here, but whatever it is was, I suppose I did something wrong there too, so I apologize for that too.)

(upon rereading I can see how the above can be construed as sarcastic. it's not, I genuinely don't understand how point A got to point B here and it's distressing because this isn't something I wanted to happen at all. whatever happened is a thing I am genuinely sorry for.)

o lol

"SMH at these ILX dopes "debunking" my Tumblr post."

ILX: White Dopes on P4k

"This past Thursday, the band posted to Youtube an 85-minute video which cued up the entirety of the double-album to visuals from Marcel Camus' kaleidoscopic 1959 film Black Orpheus. "

wow sorry i missed all this

Tuesday October 29th panel at Future of Music conference in DC (Registration Fee
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Blurred Lines in Music Journalism-

The digital revolution hasn’t just impacted musicians; it’s also shaken up the world of music journalism. Consolidation and dwindling print revenues have led many publications to focus on clickbait and pageview counts, often at the expense of longform criticism. Meanwhile, many music journalists rely on second and third sources of income to make a living: as publicists, as PR reps, or even as musicians and songwriters themselves. How are ethical questions navigated? How have the lines blurred? Are there new models which might promise a more sustainable future? We’ll explore the changing landscape of music journalism in the new music business models.

Maura Johnson Journalist & Editor, Maura Magazine
Aaron Leitko Musician, Protect-U & Writer
Marcus Moore Music Journalist, The Washington Post, Washington City Paper, MTV Hive & HipHopDX
Tamara Saviano Grammy-winning Producer, Manager & Publicist (moderator)
Michael West Freelance Contributor, Washington City Paper, JazzTimes, Down Beat & The Washington Post

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