defend the indefensible: glenn fucking greenwald

i support this one million % as a thing for a billionaire to spend his money on

heh

Maria Bustillos ‏@mariabustillos 28m
Smug, long-winded, and correct on all counts: @ggreenwald answers his critics http://utdocuments.blogspot.com.br/2013/12/questionsresponses-for-journalists.html

Glenn Greenwald ‏@ggreenwald 1m
@mariabustillos Better than humble, concise and wrong on all counts! Thanks.

the only part id take issue with is this

And as our source has repeatedly proven: if he's unhappy about how matters are proceeding or has something to say, he's more than willing and able to speak out.

snowden obvs belongs to russian intelligence at this point

also lol at greenwald being super upset at josh marshall when all he did was tweet a link sans comment to the article

http://i.imgur.com/LmFjTVX.png

do RTs represent endorcements

there certainly seems to be a bit of professional jealousy in the air, though some of the points that have been raised have been valid

His new site is launched : https://firstlook.org/theintercept/

lol at the first of what will be numerous digital magazines *displays blog*

this internet thing is really taking off

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/02/20/business/media/start-up-site-hires-critic-of-wall-st.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0&referrer=

taibbi joins first look

how can they even spend 250 million on this site, it just looks like quartz

maybe they're giving taibbi an unlimited drug and whore fund

GG won a Polk Award on Sunday, I guess Mordy wasn't on the panel. Ceremony is April 11 in NYC, he may return to the US for it.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2014/02/snowden-leaks-honored-by-polk-awards-183450.html

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/02/19/279612007/u-k-court-oks-detention-of-reporter-glenn-greenwalds-partner

The Intercept and Pando Daily are currently at war on Twitter over a Mark Ames article showing that Omidayar and the US State Dept. had been funding anti-government groups in Ukraine prior to the current crisis. As Ames mentions in his article, Pando itself is partly funded by Peter Thiel whose politics are sickening. Highlights how complicated notionally independent online media gets when you start turning to billionaires for money.

the pando bros are really annoying to follow on twitter is all i have to say about this

i enjoy and appreciate their work but there is a certain level of pettiness and professional jealousy imbued in all of their written work (and that practically defines their online personae) that i find suffocating

k3vin otm, i like ames's work a lot but their obsession with discrediting greenwald is way more personal than political and long predates omidayar.

it'll be "interesting" to see what his relationship is with taibbi now

i dont know ames doesnt find it exhausting being the way he is

his book on spree shooters is great though

Tom Ricks has a growing suspicion that Glenn Greenwald and Edward Snowden are up to something.

On Saturday, the Pulitzer Prize-winning national security reporter posed a question to Greenwald on Twitter.

"Glenn, any comments from you or Edward Snowden on the recent round of media shutdowns in Russia?" Ricks asked.

After initially referring Ricks to Snowden's representative at the ACLU, Greenwald asked Ricks if he had any comment on "Peruvian police corruption," "corporate waste dumping in E Africa," or a U.S. drone strike from last year that killed 13 people en route to a wedding party in Yemen.

Sure, Ricks said, he'd be "happy to comment," but not before he saw Greenwald denounce Vladmir Putin "and his crackdown."

The next day, after he evidently didn't get the response from Greenwald that he was looking for, Ricks took to Twitter to denounce "Peruvian police corruption and US drones that kill innocents."

"Now [your] turn to discuss Putin," Ricks said to Greenwald.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/tom-ricks-glenn-greenwald-edward-snowden

GG's mom = Angela Lansbury

WaPo, Guardian win Pulitzers for NSA/Snowden coverage

CONGRATS GLENN FUUUUUUCKING GREENWALD

bet those pulitzers have cameras in them

CONGRATS GLENN FUUUUUUCKING GREENWALD

― images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Monday, April 14, 2014 7:14 PM (26 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol

I'm hearing that in Rick's (from Rick & Morty) voice, with a burp extending the "FUUUUUCKING."

appearing at Politics & Prose in DC next Wednesday! Day before I visit probly, goddammit.

http://www.brownpapertickets.com/event/polpro/639084

Michael Kinsley: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/glenn-greenwald-michael-kinsley-new-york-times-lock-up-snowden

Kinsley, a columnist for Vanity Fair and a longtime liberal commentator

He's no liberal, or at least no longer a conventional liberal. He seems unpredictable and kinda grouchy old guy in most of his writing I have read lately.

Greenwald making the rounds

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2014/05/22/nbc-newss-brian-williams-interviews-snowden-greenwald/

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/05/23/response-michael-kinsley/

Greenwald responds to Kinsley

fucking Chait: https://twitter.com/jonathanchait/status/469484227931561986

god, fuck that guy

i guess threatening 'unpleasant' journalists with prison time has now become the preferred default position of smug nominally liberal 'centrists.'

hippie punching uber alles

https://pressfreedomfoundation.org/blog/2014/05/prioritizing-personalities-over-free-press

What explains the different reactions? Sure, some of it can be attributed to temperament. Gellman strikes me as having a knack for disarming people, a knack Greenwald has no apparent inclination to develop or deploy himself. But I think there’s something more fundamental at work here. Correctly or incorrectly, I think Gellman is widely perceived to be adversarial within the system, and this is something the system is willing to accept even if the reporter in question does the kind of superb journalism Gellman does. But Greenwald, again correctly or incorrectly, is widely perceived to be adversarial to that system. And for the system itself, that kind of adversity is an unpardonable sin.

Or you know, it might be that temperament thing. People tend not to like full-throated assholes.

This is OTMFM:

And the uncompromising work and aggressive deportment of someone like Greenwald acts as a kind of mirror in which these people are forced to view the most unflattering version of themselves. The admirable reaction would be to hold yourself to a higher standard and try to do better. The more common reaction is to hate the person who is causing your increased awareness of your own shortcomings.

You forgot the rest, Mordy:

So here’s the situation. A fellow journalist — in the newspaper that once published the Pentagon Papers — calls for the government to assume ultimate decision-making authority over what the media is allowed to publish, describes another journalist as a “go-between” and “perpetrator” for his reporting, and wonders aloud whether journalists who do such reporting ought to be “locked up”… and not one of these journalists finds any of it even worthy of mention. What they do find worthy of mention is that they think Greenwald is a jerk, or self-righteous, or a sourpuss, or whatever other appellation they use when they scrunch up their noses at someone who upsets them. Even the few who don't explicitly praise Kinsley’s piece for being a personal attack on Greenwald have no problem at all with Kinsley’s call for ultimate governmental publishing authority or any of his other attacks on journalism. Goldberg merely recommends another, similar screed by George Packer. Harwood calls the piece “valuable.” David Gregory, managing in typical fashion to be both banal and sycophantic, finds the most relevant aspect of Kinsley’s call for prior restraint is that it’s “an interesting addition to the debate."

i don't want to defend any of these assholes really. i just think it's more likely that they dislike greenwald for the same reason i do - bc he's such a smug shit. it's not like i'm a part of the threatened system. i'm just a reader who finds him intensely dislikable.

he's a guy marked by an air of superior piety or morality. it's not an attractive quality for anyone, even someone doing important work.

How does that make him different than 90% of anyone who gets written about in a newspaper?

idk piety is kinda out of step with the times don't u think? being a 'real person' is aspirational.

again, why this fascination with biography? You don't have to blow him or get a beer with him.

Being a 'real person' is just another form of moral superiority. Witness all the "Washington Outsiders" with decade-long careers writing about Washington.

ok adam that's a great point it's all a performance meant to self-aggrandize but some performances are particularly gauche + greenwald has one of the gauchest

Yeah but that's cos he probably didn't pay for the appropriate media training (in order to seem more real LOL). I find that refreshing and makes him more trustable. Rather have a truth-telling jerk than otherwise.

+ if he did a better job keeping his personality out of his journalism probably ppl would be less transfixed by its grotesqueries

haha yeah i'm sure that's why i dislike him, bc he didn't pay for the appropriate media training adam u crack me up bro keep it up man good posting

Sorry i didn't mean that as an attack on you, I meant in general, he gets crap from a lot of places. I just jumped in 10 minutes ago and to be honest I'm just gonna leave cos I didn't realize I was participating in an argument and I'd rather play video games.

i don't want to defend any of these assholes really. i just think it's more likely that they dislike greenwald for the same reason i do - bc he's such a smug shit.

i have a hard time believing that any of those guys would be bothered by greenwald's 'air of superior piety or morality' if he were just another pundit saying the same things as everyone else. is greenwald more of a jerk than thomas friedman?