presumably for similar reasons - early industrial cities were hugely unhealthy?
― I like to tackle hard and am crazy (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 9 October 2013 13:30 (ten years ago) link
Rest assured, my daughter now has her polio papers in order. Weirdly enough, none of the people I talked to seemed terribly sympathetic that a letter threatening to kick her out of school might have made me a little agitated.
I have a friend who is 40 who recently went back to school, and even she had to dig up all her own dusty vaccinations records, many of which the administration could not totally figure out, because I guess back then some of them were called different things, or noted differently.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 9 October 2013 13:34 (ten years ago) link
Most TB cases I've heard of lately relate a lot to our lovely prison-industrial complex and overcrowding in jails.
― beautifully, unapologetically plastic (mh), Wednesday, 9 October 2013 13:49 (ten years ago) link
2) Tuberculosis is not a fucking virus. (It's a mycobacterium!)
jeez why get lost in the details when there's truth to be exposed
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 9 October 2013 16:07 (ten years ago) link
Everybody enjoys their "I have some stuff you should read" phases of life, it's just that some people never actually get around to the actual reading part.
― Neanderthal, Wednesday, 9 October 2013 16:15 (ten years ago) link
Homeless shelters, too. Really, anywhere you have a lot of people living close together.
― kate78, Thursday, 10 October 2013 04:33 (ten years ago) link
oh, most certainly. the economic difficulties and aggressive sentencing of the last 20 years has not really helped the whole TB thing
― beautifully, unapologetically plastic (mh), Thursday, 10 October 2013 13:44 (ten years ago) link
Some cross over with another thing ilx loves:
https://i.imgur.com/3IOwNBh.png
― cardamon, Saturday, 12 October 2013 07:38 (ten years ago) link
can't tell if pro or anti socialised healthcare
― kinder, Saturday, 12 October 2013 08:23 (ten years ago) link
Some cross over with another thing ilx loves:
― woah did you see that hummingbird over there? anyway, meth (sunny successor), Tuesday, 15 October 2013 03:51 (ten years ago) link
http://theincidentaleconomist.com/wordpress/delaying-vaccinations-is-stupid/http://archpedi.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=1750202
― k3vin k., Monday, 21 October 2013 17:48 (ten years ago) link
I've Got Whooping Cough. Thanks a Lot, Jenny McCarthy.
― c sharp major, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 15:54 (ten years ago) link
I thought I'd hidden all this shit on FB, but sometimes it sneaks thru:
http://usahitman.com/frwngafs/
With a name like USAhitman.com, it's _gotta_ be good.
"Five Reasons Why I'll Never Get a Flu Shot"
― Who is DANKEY KANG? (kingfish), Tuesday, 14 January 2014 16:07 (ten years ago) link
You can wade through the abstract at The Lancet here.
i don't know, this could take me all day. who has time to read entire abstracts?
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 14 January 2014 16:11 (ten years ago) link
I just found a page at UMN to summarize it for me instead.The authors' main conclusion is that use of existing flu vaccines should continue, but better ones are needed.
yeah that sounds like it doesn't work in 98% of cases to me
― mh, Tuesday, 14 January 2014 16:29 (ten years ago) link
i was being sarcastic -- abstracts are not long, and they can be very misleading if you don't have a good background in whatever the paper is about. anyone who refers to an abstract = they do not know what they're talking about
that said, there is a difference between relative effectiveness and absolute effectiveness, and surely we wish the flu vaccines were more effective (and that more people chose to be vaccinated). but given they they're virtually devoid of serious adverse effects, it's well-accepted that the benefit significantly outweighs the risk, and everyone should get one
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 14 January 2014 16:50 (ten years ago) link
otm
― mh, Tuesday, 14 January 2014 16:54 (ten years ago) link
really the best reasons for not getting a flu vaccine:1. you live alone2. you have a job with paid sick time3. you are young and in good health4. your coworkers are similar individuals5. you are an asshole who feels not getting a vaccination validates your lifestyle
― mh, Tuesday, 14 January 2014 16:56 (ten years ago) link
you forgot my go-to excuse: lazy
― Ornate Coleman (Moodles), Tuesday, 14 January 2014 20:19 (ten years ago) link
I just got into a slightly heated thing on FB about the "aggressive vaccine schedule." That seems to be the trendy new way to be anti-vaccine. Classic and vintage vaccines are ok, but now we give "way too many" vaccines to kids, including newfangled ones that we didn't used to give, and "too many at once" which is "hard" on their "developing immune systems" and might cause "overload" or something. Bigpharma makes money on this btw.
― signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 14 January 2014 20:57 (ten years ago) link
I tried to be relatively nice about it, b/c I realize firsthand that it's scary as fuck to have to make these kinds of decisions for your kids, but there's really not much evidence that the current vaccine schedule is harmful.
― signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 14 January 2014 20:58 (ten years ago) link
big pharma makes more money if you end up in the hospital from the flu, iirc
― mh, Tuesday, 14 January 2014 21:06 (ten years ago) link
Newfangled vaccines! Those untrustworthy researchers always finding new ways to prevent disease and death.
― carl agatha, Tuesday, 14 January 2014 21:09 (ten years ago) link
I think we're going to go retro with Ivy and get her the smallpox vaccine so she can have a cool scar. No chicken pox or HPV vaccine though. Too trendy.
― carl agatha, Tuesday, 14 January 2014 21:10 (ten years ago) link
have I bragged lately that I made it into my mid teens without getting chicken pox and got the vaccine the first year it was really available here?
― mh, Tuesday, 14 January 2014 21:14 (ten years ago) link
xp maybe you can find a refurbished 1920s syringe on etsy
― signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 14 January 2014 21:16 (ten years ago) link
http://howdovaccinescauseautism.com/
― kate78, Monday, 27 January 2014 16:26 (ten years ago) link
Argh, all these pretend reasonableness anti-vaccine people who say stuff like "At the same time, I think we should take this with a grain of salt" and "Well we don't KNOW what giving so many vaccines so early does, and given the huge upticks in food allergies and autism..."
NO. THERE IS NO GRAIN OF SALT. YOU HAVE NO EVIDENCE THAT ANY OF THIS STUFF IS BAD FOR KIDS.
― Burt Stuntin (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 04:25 (ten years ago) link
I love salt. And vaccines. So conflicted.
― Jeff, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 04:37 (ten years ago) link
salt causes autism, look it up
― |$̲̅(̲̅ιοο̲̅)̲̅$̲̅| (gr8080), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 05:48 (ten years ago) link
only cure is an hour in the salt caves
― Sufjan Grafton, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 06:14 (ten years ago) link
http://m.saltcavesb.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.saltcavesb.com%2F#2799
― Sufjan Grafton, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 06:16 (ten years ago) link
salt contains sodium chloride, a chemical used to melt ice and destroy crops
― Burt Stuntin (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 06:55 (ten years ago) link
LOLsob
http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/salt6.php
― carl agatha, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 09:11 (ten years ago) link
huge upticks in food allergies and autism
huge upticks in _reported_ food allergies and autism
we used to just call those kids picky eaters or put them in the special ed class
― mh, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 15:10 (ten years ago) link
Don't know if your kidding but pretty sure increase in food allergies isn't just increased reporting. Unclear w/ autism
― badg, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 21:07 (ten years ago) link
Increase in food allergies is real. One hypothesis is that it's an unintended consequence similar to those who shield their kids from vaccines. All this hyper-cleanliness, all this avoiding this and that food for kids, lack of early exposure to potential allergens, may be coming back to haunt us.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 21:16 (ten years ago) link
partially kidding
the hygiene hypothesis is pretty well-regarded, but the majority of studies are by parent survey, asking if their child had a skin, food, or respiratory allergic reaction in the preceding year, not based on allergy testing by a doctor or by reporting from medical practices. same studies mention that people have a poor understanding of allergies versus food intolerance or other reactions.
even if there are a lot more allergic reactions to food happening, reports are highly correlated with economic well-being
― mh, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 21:22 (ten years ago) link
basically take the number of people who self-diagnose themselves with gluten intolerance, throw in the fact a fair number of them don't know the difference between intolerances and allergies, and then multiply by 1.25 to compensate for the 2.5 child per couple average
:)
― mh, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 21:24 (ten years ago) link
yah ppl don't really know what "allergies" are I often find. like, getting an upset stomach in response to certain meds isn't an allergy.
― gbx, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 22:04 (ten years ago) link
Yep, I know so many people whos self claimed "allergies" are "oh I cant eat eggs" and its more just "I dont like eggs". I compare this to my mate Ash who, if he so much as glances at a peanut or cashew, will be hospitalised with a closed throat. THATS an allergy.
Some grass makes me break out in welts. Thats an allergy, albeit a mild one. "Chilli gives me a headache" is more "eh I dont like spicy food and Im projecting". I went thru years of BS because a GP decided my vague tireness/poor health was due to "food intolerances" and I got made to cut all this BS out my diet - no amines, no MSG, no salicilates, no dairy. This meant 80% of all fruits and veg, ALL dairy and even some meats, were off the table.
All that did, was make me MORE sensitive to stomach upsets/headaches from eating too much tomato or chilli. Crock of crap. And cost me a lot of money.
― the Bronski Review (Trayce), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 22:17 (ten years ago) link
A lot of improperly diagnosed food allergies seem like "I/my child is special and delicate"
― Burt Stuntin (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 22:22 (ten years ago) link
kids do die from peanut allergies though
― |$̲̅(̲̅ιοο̲̅)̲̅$̲̅| (gr8080), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 23:09 (ten years ago) link
Only special delicate ones.
― good day to you, (onimo), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 23:11 (ten years ago) link
cool jokes about dead children
― |$̲̅(̲̅ιοο̲̅)̲̅$̲̅| (gr8080), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 23:12 (ten years ago) link
Wasn't there a recent study that women who ate nuts regularly during their pregnancy were fare less likely to bear children with nut allergies?
― What do I think? Compensez-vous! (Michael White), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 23:16 (ten years ago) link
I was careful to note a difference between actual life threatening allergies, and hand wavy intolerances.
― the Bronski Review (Trayce), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 23:21 (ten years ago) link
that's also why I said "improperly diagnosed" as a qualifier. I am aware of the relatively rare but very real and dangerous food allergies that do exist
― Burt Stuntin (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 23:22 (ten years ago) link
I know so many kids with very real allergies, to peanuts, to cats, to strawberries. Reactions run from rashes to vomiting to hospital. When I was young, the only allergies anyone had were to bee stings, and no one talks about fucking bee stings anymore. Perhaps because there are so few bees?
I also know a couple of kids with real Celiac. Makes me hate the gluten-free fakers.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 23:50 (ten years ago) link
and there are soooooo many of those. I know maybe 3 actual celiacs, and about 12000 others who naturopaths told them not to eat wheat.
― kate78, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 23:55 (ten years ago) link