The Miracle of the Smiths

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well he was talking about the record before it was finished so maybe he intended to do that but didn't manage it. there's certainly nothing as hard as the title track of TQID on strangeways.

i lost my shoes on acid (jed_), Wednesday, 2 October 2013 19:00 (ten years ago) link

nowadays I'm glad we got Viva Hate/Bona Drag than a Smiths albums sounding like Electronic or The The.

I <3 a lot of early solo Moz (discovered The Smiths through Last Of The Famous International Playboys!) but Getting Away With It / Electronic / Disappointed and Mind Bomb / Dusk >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Viva Hate

(and the difference between those two bands suggests that any further Morrissey/Marr work wouldn't have sounded anything like either)

I'm not a rockist, I just hate Rap-A-Lot (sic), Wednesday, 2 October 2013 22:47 (ten years ago) link

(discovered The Smiths through Last Of The Famous International Playboys!)
me too!!!
i bought the cassingle and my mom thought i was crazy because i kept going around the house singing "have i faaaaaaaaaiiiiiled" and she was like yes, you have please stop singing that song immediately

Untt (La Lechera), Wednesday, 2 October 2013 23:32 (ten years ago) link

The Smiths took a lot of stick in the 80s music press for their classicist approach, which is understandable, even though, as Taylor Parkes pointed out, their records sounded terribly of their time. But I am glad that they didn't add a fifth album with more blatantly 1989 indie-dance sounds.

Eyeball Kicks, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 23:43 (ten years ago) link

Last of the Famous Int. playboys is totally baggy!

brotherlovesdub, Thursday, 3 October 2013 00:41 (ten years ago) link

I think you mean Interesting Drug (or November Spawned A Monster), but I take your point.

Eyeball Kicks, Thursday, 3 October 2013 07:04 (ten years ago) link

yes, interesting drug, you're right.

brotherlovesdub, Thursday, 3 October 2013 07:07 (ten years ago) link

I remember really loving "November Spawned A Monster" at the time and wishing Moz would do more songs like that.

Recently, I played the song again and found the lyrics incredibly cringeworthy and awful, the wordless shrieking in the bridge representing the "monster" flat-out reprehensible, and Moz's singing to be outrageously constipated and forced.

At this point, the only Moz songs from that era I have any time for are "Alsatian Cousin", "Little Man, What Now?" and "Late Night, Maudlin Street" and that's partially because I haven't gone back to them in about a decade to see if I still like them.

smang culture (DJP), Thursday, 3 October 2013 14:58 (ten years ago) link

Alsatian Cousin is amazing.

What about Disappointed?

gyac, Thursday, 3 October 2013 15:00 (ten years ago) link

zero memory of it; generally speaking I would like to set Bona Drag on fire

smang culture (DJP), Thursday, 3 October 2013 15:02 (ten years ago) link

(one minute in and I vastly prefer Electronic's song)

smang culture (DJP), Thursday, 3 October 2013 15:03 (ten years ago) link

woah....bona drag is like moz's hatful imo

that's a crazy opinion bro

lorde willin' (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 3 October 2013 17:22 (ten years ago) link

when you consider that this was all right at the beginning of Moz's "I'm gonna be a spiteful bigot for a hot minute" phase, it's less crazy

smang culture (DJP), Thursday, 3 October 2013 17:26 (ten years ago) link

yeah but then i guess there's no morrissey you would like right?

just feel like the early singles and viva hate are pretty great as a period for him

lorde willin' (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 3 October 2013 18:11 (ten years ago) link

yeah but then i guess there's no morrissey you would like right?

a few exceptions aside, this is a very accurate description of my position on Morrissey

smang culture (DJP), Thursday, 3 October 2013 18:13 (ten years ago) link

Had a discussion about the Smiths with my girlfriend, who now rates them as duds. Her reason is that "Marr's guitar playing sounds like a machine." I can actually see her point, although I still love them.

Dr X O'Skeleton, Thursday, 3 October 2013 18:59 (ten years ago) link

kinda surprised we never did a Bona Drag poll.

piscesx, Thursday, 3 October 2013 19:04 (ten years ago) link

I'd love to hear working versions of Viva Hate songs, particularly the ones with more Vini Reilly.

brotherlovesdub, Thursday, 3 October 2013 19:16 (ten years ago) link

Meanwhile, looks like Morrissey's book is actually coming out in a couple of weeks: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Autobiography-Morrissey/dp/0141394811/.

Eyeball Kicks, Thursday, 3 October 2013 22:27 (ten years ago) link

Hmmm, it's not listed on Penguin's site.

gyac, Thursday, 3 October 2013 22:47 (ten years ago) link

"Full confirmation is expected from Penguin Books within the next 24 hours" it says on Morrissey Solo, so we'll see.

Eyeball Kicks, Thursday, 3 October 2013 23:04 (ten years ago) link

lol does this ever happen with books? like a book with a very major publisher may or may not exist at all?

lorde willin' (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 4 October 2013 01:38 (ten years ago) link

Autobiography covers Morrissey's life from his birth until the present day.

fit and working again, Friday, 4 October 2013 03:39 (ten years ago) link

well tbh Penguin's site has always been a fucking mess. You can now pre-order it from Amazon!

gyac, Friday, 4 October 2013 10:25 (ten years ago) link

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-24396482

and everywhere, it seems, by mid oct.

Mark G, Friday, 4 October 2013 11:04 (ten years ago) link

Ha yes of course - I only mentioned that as I went to the link to look up the ISBN.

gyac, Friday, 4 October 2013 11:08 (ten years ago) link

Jon Savage (or a sub editor) has swiped the thread title!
http://www.theguardian.com/music/musicblog/2013/oct/16/morrissey-autobiography-smiths

piscesx, Thursday, 17 October 2013 01:51 (ten years ago) link

I swiped the thread title for Jon's piece. Seemed perfectly apposite.

Unsettled defender (ithappens), Thursday, 17 October 2013 12:36 (ten years ago) link

hahaha

ᶓ͠סּᴥ͠סּᶔ ᶓͼ᷆ₓͼ᷇ᶔ (gr8080), Thursday, 17 October 2013 12:37 (ten years ago) link

Why didn't you just call it "Morrissey: Why Is He So Bad And Hated?"

Boards of Komeda (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 17 October 2013 14:15 (ten years ago) link

cos he has a terribly annoying writing style. music and lyrical work was definitely the right option.

OutdoorFish, Thursday, 17 October 2013 21:25 (ten years ago) link

three months pass...

LOL . . .
http://i.imgur.com/cAiVbnn.jpg?1

rip van wanko, Friday, 17 January 2014 15:27 (ten years ago) link

one month passes...

Is this real?

http://www.passionsjustlikemine.com/legacy/legacy.htm

Virginia, Plain and Tall (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 19:38 (ten years ago) link

!!! official remasters of the troy tate shit??? damn

sXe & the banshees (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 19:41 (ten years ago) link

I'm not buying all of these again. Sorry, Smiths.

EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 19 February 2014 19:47 (ten years ago) link

It's fake I think. An early April Fools thing or something.

Eyeball Kicks, Wednesday, 19 February 2014 19:56 (ten years ago) link

no Golden Lights?

mahb, Wednesday, 19 February 2014 20:12 (ten years ago) link

Wow :-/

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 20:22 (ten years ago) link

My other half works back catalogue at Warner Music, I'll ask her if she knows anything about it when she gets home.

MaresNest, Wednesday, 19 February 2014 20:50 (ten years ago) link

somehow i can't look at morrissey without thinking of kramer from seinfeld

Poliopolice, Wednesday, 19 February 2014 20:59 (ten years ago) link

UPDATE Feb. 18:
As noted by several people in the comments, the release is an early April Fools' Day joke.
This article was originally published in forum thread: Legacy Reissues (via PJLM) started by Ryan. View original post
http://www.morrissey-solo.com/content/1665-The-Smiths-And-Morrissey-Legacy-Reissue-Series-(April-2014-via-Passions-Just-Like-Mine)

Eyeball Kicks, Wednesday, 19 February 2014 21:03 (ten years ago) link

comedy genius!

Isaiah "Ice" McAdams (cajunsunday), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 21:05 (ten years ago) link

eight months pass...

For all that is good and holy, can we or someone please, please, please write an essay dissecting and tearing apart this clown's act?

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/james-francos-art-school-duo-daddy-preps-smithsinspired-album-20141111

I know, he's not worthy of being written about, but still. I hope there is enough venom in Smiths fans to put this joker in his place.

What's funny is that, of all people, the man who became the band's enemy is working with him, which tells you a lot about James Franco and Andy.

, Friday, 14 November 2014 00:20 (nine years ago) link

Does it really matter?

The songs are bigger than he is, and will survive this slight assault.

I guess I can say that, we will doubtless never hear it over here.

Mark G, Friday, 14 November 2014 09:43 (nine years ago) link

(additional note to UK people who don't know: It's not his actual Daddy funding this)

Mark G, Friday, 14 November 2014 09:44 (nine years ago) link

three months pass...

did we ever have a poll about the best thread on ilm? this is it, i'd say.

it's the distortion, stupid! (alex in mainhattan), Monday, 16 February 2015 19:16 (nine years ago) link

one month passes...

this has just been repeated:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01msf1r

"Bob Harris telling the story of the live session recordings The Smiths made for the BBC."

features morrissey in the radio 1 studio talking to kid jenson during a playback of that early session they did.

koogs, Wednesday, 8 April 2015 11:35 (nine years ago) link

eleven months pass...

more reunion rumours..

piscesx, Tuesday, 5 April 2016 20:34 (eight years ago) link

I honestly hope the Smiths never reform. There would be so much hype, such high expectations, an insane rush for tickets and massive resale markups... it stresses me out to think about it.

JRN, Tuesday, 5 April 2016 21:17 (eight years ago) link


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