Should Pope Francis sell the family jewels?

who was the last pope to get assassinated by malcontents from within

― j., Tuesday, October 1, 2013 11:06 PM (1 minute ago)

that guy in the godfather 3

^that was JP I, yeah

didn't see this til today.

Check this out: http://www.repubblica.it/cultura/2013/10/01/news/pope_s_conversation_with_scalfari_english-67643118/

Proselytism is solemn nonsense, it makes no sense

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seriously, if this guy survives the year, then I will be really ~amazed~

also I'm all about the Vatican putting together an XI for a cricket match against the Anglicans

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/10/us/conservative-us-catholics-feel-left-out-of-the-popes-embrace.html?hp&_r=0

lotta chumps sure seem to know better than their spirit-prince how to be catholic

omg

“There have been bad popes in the history of the church,” Mr. Skojec said. “Popes that murdered, popes that had mistresses. I’m not saying Pope Francis is terrible, but there’s no divine protection that keeps him from being the type of guy who with subtlety undermines the teachings of the church to bring about a different vision.”

yes!! prophecies!!!

Some conservative Catholics are sharing prophecies online that foretell of tribulations for the church. In one, an Irish woman predicted that Benedict would be held hostage. Others cite the German mystic Anne Catherine Emmerich, who wrote of a “relationship between two popes,” one who “lives in a palace other than before,” which some now see as a reference to Benedict, who resigned as pope early this year but still lives in Vatican City. During this time there arises a “false church of darkness.”

A pity Nino, Alito, Roberts, and Slobbo weren't quoted.

What kind of a Christian tells an atheist he has no intention to convert him?

The best kind!

i got good LOLs from this article

The sly kind

http://vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/en/world-news/detail/articolo/francesco-francis-francisco-ebrei-jews-judios-29683/

Lol.

The article does not really deliver on the promise of the headline alas.

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/closeread/2013/11/how-strong-is-pope-francis.html

strong like bull

strong enough to create a rock that he cant lift

good piece

Obv not a medici pope.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/22/opinion/conservative-view-of-pope.html?_r=0

I am not anti-pope. Popes are infallible only when speaking ex cathedra on matters of faith and morals. Pope Francis’s off-the-cuff remarks during an interview do not have to be supported to remain a Catholic in good standing.

BRIDGET KURT
Smyrna, Ga., Nov. 18, 2013

BRING ON THE ANTIPOPES

An apostolic exhortation!

Human beings are themselves considered consumer goods to be used and then discarded. We have created a “disposable” culture which is now spreading. It is no longer simply about exploitation and oppression, but something new. Exclusion ultimately has to do with what it means to be a part of the society in which we live; those excluded are no longer society’s underside or its fringes or its disenfranchised – they are no longer even a part of it. The excluded are not the “exploited” but the outcast, the “leftovers”.

In this context, some people continue to defend trickle-down theories which assume that economic growth, encouraged by a free market, will inevitably succeed in bringing about greater justice and inclusiveness in the world. This opinion, which has never been confirmed by the facts, expresses a crude and naïve trust in the goodness of those wielding economic power and in the sacralized workings of the prevailing economic system. Meanwhile, the excluded are still waiting. To sustain a lifestyle which excludes others, or to sustain enthusiasm for that selfish ideal, a globalization of indifference has developed. Almost without being aware of it, we end up being incapable of feeling compassion at the outcry of the poor, weeping for other people’s pain, and feeling a need to help them, as though all this were someone else’s responsibility and not our own. The culture of prosperity deadens us; we are thrilled if the market offers us something new to purchase; and in the meantime all those lives stunted for lack of opportunity seem a mere spectacle; they fail to move us.

http://www.salon.com/2013/11/26/pope_francis_capitalism_is_a_new_tyranny/

really interesting. key gesture that separates what he's saying from marxist leftism is that distinction between "exploited" and "excluded"--a question of mercy rather than justice. both have their place, i suppose, and im glad he's willing to speak up for the former.

49. Let us go forth, then, let us go forth to offer everyone the life of Jesus Christ. Here I repeat for the entire Church what I have often said to the priests and laity of Buenos Aires: I prefer a Church which is bruised, hurting and dirty because it has been out on the streets, rather than a Church which is unhealthy from being confined and from clinging to its own security. I do not want a Church concerned with being at the centre and then ends by being caught up in a web of obsessions and procedures. If something should rightly disturb us and trouble our consciences, it is the fact that so many of our brothers and sisters are living without the strength, light and consolation born of friendship with Jesus Christ, without a community of faith to support them, without meaning and a goal in life. More than by fear of going astray, my hope is that we will be moved by the fear of remaining shut up within structures which give us a false sense of security, within rules which make us harsh judges, within habits which make us feel safe, while at our door peole are starving and Jesus does not tire of saying to us: “Give them something to eat” (Mk 6:37).

goin so hard, what a boss

Wow this Pope rules.

I keep thinking there's gotta be a catch.

there usually is when they give you something to eat

can he save K Lo's soul

The less-than-awesome stuff this Pope has already been involved in has been cataloged already, and shouldn't be dismissed, but I admit, I'm impressed with the economic-morality stance. Not to mention making those positions the first points of the document.

Its sweet he wants to wade in on this kinda thing, but who exactly do ye imagine is about to take budgeting advice from il papa?

Not many... because John Paul II, for example, said some similar things, just not as forcefully.

FWIW, I had to scroll waaaay down on US HuffPo to see this reported at all, and in a way that didn't communicate the strength of the language.

Anecdotally, my French-Canadian grandma has pictures of JPII everywhere, and I don't imagine Francis dislodging any of those in her lifetime.

Francis pissed off that circus clown Rash Limbaugh, apparently, but I sure as hell wasn't gonna listen to the clip or link it.

FWIW, I had to scroll waaaay down on US HuffPo to see this reported at all, and in a way that didn't communicate the strength of the language.

― Simon H., Thursday, November 28, 2013 9:09 PM (49 minutes ago)

it's been covered pretty widely

yeah it got alot of press, almost certainly due to francis' previous statements. jpII spent the post-cold war part of his papacy making similar (if more muted) statements but w/ him there were so many other things in his agenda that were more of a focus and that coaligned more w/ conservative evangelical interests it never got much play. plus arguably the atmosphere is different, more ready to hear that message now than during jpII's day. it's interesting cuz catholicism's become this weird marker of intellectualism w/ the right, nro clowns, the conservative scotus justices, and obv newt gingrich.

My right wing cousin and host praised Francis' messages and scorned Obama's "closing of the Vatican embassy just when it has the potential of being influential again".

The less-than-awesome stuff this Pope has already been involved in has been cataloged already, and shouldn't be dismissed,

what is this stuff?

The church

Let's agree that the church has backward agendas on sexuality and equality for women. They do some other stuff that's good -- feeding the hungry, running hospitals, etc.

this guy is the pope of good PR

I keep thinking there's gotta be a catch.

― a fifth of misty beethoven (cryptosicko), Thursday, November 28, 2013 8:55 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I know, right? I keep reminding myself to temper my enthusiasm for this guy.

by all accounts he's just a fantastic guy. he's a product of his upbringing and of his background -- all popes are going to be -- but laying out his priorities like this, taking a moral stance against markets, etc, these things matter

i mean i'd love it if he called for the ordination of women or supported civil unions, but that's just not going to happen. the fact that he's called for these issues to be deemphasized is a pretty big step. and you know, imo, economic issues are more important anyway, so i'm glad he's being as forceful as he is.

isn't there some reasonably critical summit or juncture sometime soon at which like at least attitudes toward gay marriage are addressed? feel like amy davidson was suggesting it was a kinda litmus test for him in swashbuckling rhetoric vs effect

wkiw this dude:

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/12/03/pope-i-was-once-a-bar-bouncer/?hpt=hp_c2

priests' laundry, so you know he has seen some dark shit

Would kill to read an interview with Benedict about Pope Frankie.

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http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/vatican-refuses-to-share-sex-abuse-investigations-with-un-1.1616591
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Church so cool now that pope frank is dropping commie tracts <3

you are absolutely correct and I regret my flippant post from yesterday, if I had a beer with the dude his goons would probably throw me out of a helicopter afterwards

TIME Person of the Year

Oops.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/29/europe/pope-francis-russia-ukraine-intl-hnk/index.html

sorry ukraine but how is he going to heal the great schism if he can't win over the third rome?