Prince Albert Pujols, he reigneth

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Nagashima is more respected because he's Japanese!!! (unlike Oh, which is a sad, sad story).

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 19:36 (thirteen years ago) link

is the talent pool THAT suspect?

i mean sports are serious business now and conditioning is superior and just general societal lifestyle things make a difference, but wasn't baseball pretty much the only true major league sport in the days of the babe?

look at at all the competition baseball faces now from football, hoops, soccer and to some extent, hockey and lax (to the extent that there are thousands of kids who may never play baseball b/c lax season conflicts).

i'm not saying that the talent pool is weak now, but baseball had pretty free range over things for a while.

jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 19:52 (thirteen years ago) link

I think the talent level in all those sports has increased, in part because of desegregation, but also because of globalization, industrialization and the rise of television/superstar athlete (far more people grow up wanting to be a star baseball player now--even with the rise of those other sports--than did a hundred or even seventy-five years ago.) Anyway I am pretty sure if you look at the statistics the range between the best players and the weakest (and even the median) players between then and now is much greater.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 20:03 (thirteen years ago) link

re: Negro Leagues -- stats from all games, even exhibition games, were also included in career totals.

c(''c) (Leee), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 22:34 (thirteen years ago) link

Polyp and others,

I will enthrall and delight all of you with my fascinating observations in a week or so. I am leaving the keys to the ILB office with Barry and Felicity. Be easy on them!

Steve Shasta
East Coast Wakeboarding Representative

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 23:52 (thirteen years ago) link

Catch a wave and you're sittin' on top of the world!

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 11 May 2006 00:18 (thirteen years ago) link

Why must I be called "polyp". How unfortunate.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Thursday, 11 May 2006 06:51 (thirteen years ago) link

Top Five NL First Basemen, by VORP

1. Albert Pujols STL .362 35.2
2. Nick Johnson WAS .326 17.7
3. Lance Berkman HOU .316 17.4
4. Nomar Garciaparra LAN .337 16.7
5. Carlos Delgado NYN .305 15.7

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Monday, 22 May 2006 14:29 (thirteen years ago) link

The first number is EqA, the second is VORP.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Monday, 22 May 2006 14:30 (thirteen years ago) link

NOMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 22 May 2006 14:36 (thirteen years ago) link

I had the same reaction!

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Monday, 22 May 2006 14:58 (thirteen years ago) link

Besides the "holy shit, Pujols is twice as good as all these other star first basemen" reaction, of course.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Monday, 22 May 2006 14:59 (thirteen years ago) link

That's only because Derrek Lee broke his wrist though (batting .318/.448/.614 at the time of his injury).

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Monday, 22 May 2006 15:58 (thirteen years ago) link

steve shasta = david wells, gimme my $5.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 22 May 2006 15:59 (thirteen years ago) link

There's a great chart in the new Sport Illustrated... actually, it's in my trashcan let me dig it out:

Okay, the title of the chart is "Projected All-time HR Leaders using Baseball Prospectus' PECOTA Forecasting Tool":

1. Barry Bonds - 765
2. Hank Aaron - 755
3. Babe Ruth - 714
4. Alex Rodriguez - 678
5. Willie Mays - 660
6. Adam Dunn - 638
7. Ken Griffey Jr. - 637
8. Albert Pujols - 620
9. Manny Ramirez - 589
10. Sammy Sosa - 588

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Monday, 22 May 2006 16:21 (thirteen years ago) link

#1 Evil, cheating steroid abuser: ON DA JUICE!!!111
#2 Godlike baseball immortal
#3 Godlike baseball immortal
#4 One of the Good guys: Pure talent, this guy has what it takes to win
#5 Godlike baseball immortal
#6 One of the Good guys: Pure talent, this guy has what it takes to win
#7 One of the Good guys: Pure talent, this guy has what it takes to win
#8 One of the Good guys: Pure talent, this guy has what it takes to win
#9 One of the Good guys: Pure talent, this guy has what it takes to win
#10 Evil, cheating steroid abuser: ON DA JUICE!!!111

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Monday, 22 May 2006 16:28 (thirteen years ago) link

Also in that edition:

Albert Pujols article: Albert is the new, clean face of baseball heroes. Albert upset about any steroid allegations, upset at his disputed age allegations. Meanwhile, he's on pace to shatter a record that only Evil, cheating steroid abusers (Bonds, McGwire, Sosa) have been able to accomplish!

Barry Bonds: Increasingly poor production (.971 OPS?), agonizing march to overtake Ruth (3 HRs in 4 weeks of April vs. 3 HRs in 3 weeks of May to date!?!?!?), more of Verducci's declining and agonizing analysis.

Justin Gaitlin: FASTEST MAN ON THE PLANET!!! Meet the brand new 100m world record holder!!! Never mind that he tested positive for PEDs 3 years ago and received and served a year suspension!!!! Nevermind that his trainer and coach is the man who first was caught with an HGH/BALCO affiliated designer steroid syringe, setting off a wave of baseball-centric federal drug investigation... Nevermind all that, boy is this guy fast!!!

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Monday, 22 May 2006 16:42 (thirteen years ago) link

Yawn.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 22 May 2006 17:26 (thirteen years ago) link

xp - I thought everyone still hated A-Rod for being pretty and not clutch.

milo z (mlp), Monday, 22 May 2006 17:26 (thirteen years ago) link

Alex are you going to any of the STL games?

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Monday, 22 May 2006 17:28 (thirteen years ago) link

Yeah I've also heard them be down on Manny Ramirez and Adam Dunn too, but hey I don't live in Shasta-land.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 22 May 2006 17:28 (thirteen years ago) link

I'm not actually! I kind of wish I had ticks. I saw 'em last year.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 22 May 2006 17:29 (thirteen years ago) link

a-rod's pretty?

otto midnight (otto midnight), Monday, 22 May 2006 17:34 (thirteen years ago) link

pretty shitty amirite?

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 22 May 2006 17:39 (thirteen years ago) link

he's pretty... pretty clutch.

Also Adam Dunn has got to be one of the greatest power hitters of all time.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Monday, 22 May 2006 17:39 (thirteen years ago) link

Will Adam Dunn end up being Boog Powell or Harmon Killebrew?

I'm wondering how Teixeira fares, if he signs long-term to play in the AL Coors.

milo z (mlp), Monday, 22 May 2006 17:44 (thirteen years ago) link

i hope adam dunn starts to hit for average, in between whiffing and homering.

gear (gear), Monday, 22 May 2006 18:45 (thirteen years ago) link

You forgot walking, gear. If he can just maintain a .250-.260 BA, his value will still be off the charts.

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 22 May 2006 18:48 (thirteen years ago) link

He's the Rob Deer 5000 -- new and improved model.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Monday, 22 May 2006 21:08 (thirteen years ago) link

Nah, Wily Mo is the Nu-Rob Deer.

Dunn is the true three outcomes master: K, BB, HR.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Monday, 22 May 2006 21:18 (thirteen years ago) link

i wish he'd get up to .260!

gear (gear), Monday, 22 May 2006 21:50 (thirteen years ago) link

Wait PECOTA actually thinks Adam Dunn is going to hit 600 home runs? Isn't Adam Dunn the poster-child for old player skills? Doesn't that usually = pretty short career?

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 22 May 2006 22:06 (thirteen years ago) link

That said his baseball-reference comparables through 25 look pretty good although to be fair I'm not sure anyone other than Killebrew on this list is a particularly good comparison (and I doubt this is the list of comparables PECOTA came up with):

Darryl Strawberry (927)
Reggie Jackson (926) *
Jose Canseco (918)
Troy Glaus (909)
Tom Brunansky (902)
Juan Gonzalez (901)
Boog Powell (901)
Rocky Colavito (891)
Tony Conigliaro (890)
Harmon Killebrew (883) *

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 22 May 2006 22:22 (thirteen years ago) link

I'd compare him to Todd Helton: he plays in a crackerjack box 81 games a year.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Monday, 22 May 2006 22:27 (thirteen years ago) link

His home road splits are pretty extreme for his career IIRC.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 22 May 2006 22:29 (thirteen years ago) link

Powell, Colavito, Conigliaro are all valid comparison - big, lumbering dudes with a ton of power but not necessarily staying potential.

IIRC, Boog is one of PECOTA's top comparables (as are Killer and Glaus)

milo z (mlp), Monday, 22 May 2006 22:38 (thirteen years ago) link

his three-year home/road splits aren't that bad: .836 away/.902 home

milo z (mlp), Monday, 22 May 2006 22:41 (thirteen years ago) link

what happened to helton? guy's turned into dave magadan.

gear (gear), Monday, 22 May 2006 22:46 (thirteen years ago) link

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INSANE CLOWN FOSSE (Adrian Langston), Friday, 26 May 2006 17:52 (thirteen years ago) link

Babe Ruth hit his 25th homerun on June 30th in his definitive 1927 60-HR season (*154 games).

Pujols is a month and a day ahead of Babe Ruth's pace.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 16:23 (thirteen years ago) link

Ruth's pace is misleading -- didn't he hit 17 homers in September that year?

Comparing to Sosa/McGwire 1998 or Bonds 2001 is more revealing. I think he's ahead of everyone's pace though.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 16:35 (thirteen years ago) link

Nah, he's behind McGwire and Bonds.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 16:38 (thirteen years ago) link

Straight average:

25/51*162 = 79.41

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 16:50 (thirteen years ago) link

That would be quite a lot of home runs, but I'm pretty sure the .41 wouldn't count.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 16:59 (thirteen years ago) link

that would be a double

gear (gear), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 17:19 (thirteen years ago) link

tagged out stretching a single into a double.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 17:21 (thirteen years ago) link

albert got greedy

gear (gear), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 17:24 (thirteen years ago) link

BASTARD

Haikunym (Haikunym), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 17:31 (thirteen years ago) link

He did the Willy Mays Hayes spring training slide into 2nd.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 19:01 (thirteen years ago) link


he straineth his oblique! Shasta don't hafta sell his "73" jewelry now.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 18:16 (thirteen years ago) link

2019 is almost in the books.

wrC+ 98, .249/.310/.449, -0.1 fWAR.

since the start of the 2015 season, he's been worth +0.1 fWAR overall, with his 1.6 WAR 2015 season balanced out by his -2.0 2017, and near-zero value for the other 3 years.

only 2 years and $59M left on his contract.

Sally Jessy (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 18 September 2019 15:50 (two months ago) link

Prince Albert Pujols, he collecteth.

clemenza, Thursday, 19 September 2019 13:54 (two months ago) link

two weeks pass...

One key factor is the owners’ increasing use of analytics—sophisticated statistical metrics—to calculate a player’s value to the team and negotiate his salary accordingly. While many players believe that analytics can help improve their on-field performance, others remain skeptical.

“Put a computer on the mound and see if it will throw strikes, or put it at the plate and see if it can hit a fastball,” said future Hall of Famer Albert Pujols in the Los Angeles Angels’ locker room after a Labor Day weekend game.

https://www.thenation.com/article/mlb-moneyball-labor-unions/

not sure if he realizes that pitching machines are computerized, or that a computer-controlled bat with motion sensors could probably hit a fastball, if someone bothered to make it. not that is has anything to do with the point he was trying to make

It is my great honor to post on this messageboard! (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 8 October 2019 16:59 (one month ago) link

Pitching machines have no soul

omar little, Tuesday, 8 October 2019 17:12 (one month ago) link

As a player whose career has essentially disintegrated in parallel with the rise of advanced analytics... I'm empathetic of his criticism of the advances. But then I remember dude is making zillions so then my empathy turns to straight up ROFL.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 8 October 2019 17:49 (one month ago) link


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