Ministry. S&D.

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the London one is TERRIBLE

and I don't get it- I saw Lazarus live over the summer and his set was 100% bouncey electro-house....

jsoulja (jsoulja), Thursday, 15 December 2005 00:22 (eleven years ago) Permalink

"Co-headlining" Ministry/RevCo tour in '06! I am, as they say, so there.

"The REVOLTING COCK."

"Heh heh, yeah, must be some strip show.. y' know.. with strippers."

dali madison's nut (donut), Thursday, 15 December 2005 00:24 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I guess this is where I say that "Cracking Up" is a grossly underrated later-era Revco song that directly lifts the opening guitar riff from ACR's "Shack Up", loops it, and puts it behind a proto-DFA bass/disco beat combo.. and adds drug samples and Chris Connelly clucking all over it.

dali madison's nut (donut), Thursday, 15 December 2005 00:26 (eleven years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...
In Case You Didn't Feel Like Showing Up is quite loud.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 03:47 (eleven years ago) Permalink

And says "Fuck" often. We used it to drive out customers at closing time at a Mexican restaurant I worked at once...

js (honestengine), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 16:53 (eleven years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

I'm tempted to do a C/D for 'Filth Pig'. I hated it on release and never bothered checking out any of their stuff after that, but once in a while songs pop up on shuffle and they're usually pretty awesome (e.g. last night "Brick Windows")

baaderonixx, Tuesday, 11 November 2008 13:52 (nine years ago) Permalink

twitch's rare mentions in this thread is a crime.

HI, YOUR BAND! (Mackro Mackro), Tuesday, 11 November 2008 14:24 (nine years ago) Permalink

nine months pass...

WHERE YOU AT NOW

damo tsu tsuki (r1o natsume), Saturday, 29 August 2009 02:35 (eight years ago) Permalink

land of rape and honey 4-EVAH

crappy, use her name (latebloomer), Saturday, 29 August 2009 02:40 (eight years ago) Permalink

USE IT A WHILE AND IT'S OVER THE SHOULDER

damo tsu tsuki (r1o natsume), Saturday, 29 August 2009 04:26 (eight years ago) Permalink

You know, I actually really liked Rio Grande Blood -- not The Last Sucker quite so much though it was still certainly better than a lot of their mid-period (ie Filth Pig and onward).

Just bought Twitch again and I like it okay. Parts of it didn't age well at all.

Sean Carruthers, Saturday, 29 August 2009 13:01 (eight years ago) Permalink

Again, I wish they'd pulled the plug after Psalm 69.

Alex in NYC, Saturday, 29 August 2009 20:59 (eight years ago) Permalink

It bears repearing: "Jesus Built My Hotrod" is utterly unstoppable. Play it loud!

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Saturday, 29 August 2009 21:23 (eight years ago) Permalink

For whatever reason I cannot stop listening to "Hizbollah" today

More Butty In Your Pants (Telephone thing), Thursday, 3 September 2009 20:01 (eight years ago) Permalink

love the snippet of dubbed out accordian sampled in "where you at now"

damo tsu tsuki (r1o natsume), Thursday, 3 September 2009 20:10 (eight years ago) Permalink

three months pass...

Hmmm.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 30 December 2009 15:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I wrote about that here. My memories of that 1990 RevCo show are pretty vivid, so I hope the movie focuses on that period and the year or two immediately prior; by the time they played Lollapalooza they'd already pretty much lost it, IMO.

neither good nor bad, just a kid like you (unperson), Wednesday, 30 December 2009 16:00 (seven years ago) Permalink

Lolla 92 was the last time they made any real sense, if only for "N.W.O." and the Bush I samples.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 30 December 2009 16:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

I am in the extreme minority here but, aside from "Burning Inside" and "Faith Collasping", I think they started losing it by A Mind Is A Terrible Thing To Taste. The songs there have a kernel of awesome smothered by repetive bullshit nonsense ("Breathe", "Thieves", "So What", "Test", "Dream Song") or is just flat-out unlistenable ("Cannibal Song", "Never Believe") ans Psalm 69 took everything I hated about AMIATTTT and cranked it up to 100.

Restless Genital Syndrome (HI DERE), Wednesday, 30 December 2009 20:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

thieves =! repetitive bullshit nonsense in any world i live in

bum-sniff deviant (cutty), Wednesday, 30 December 2009 20:44 (seven years ago) Permalink

I am in the extreme minority here but, aside from "Burning Inside" and "Faith Collasping", I think they started losing it by A Mind Is A Terrible Thing To Taste. The songs there have a kernel of awesome smothered by repetive bullshit nonsense ("Breathe", "Thieves", "So What", "Test", "Dream Song") or is just flat-out unlistenable ("Cannibal Song", "Never Believe") ans Psalm 69 took everything I hated about AMIATTTT and cranked it up to 100.

Yeah, I gotta disagree with pretty much all of this...Psalm 69 was definitely the end of the golden era (though I'll offer another minority opinion, namely that Animositisomina had some very good songs), but there are a couple of solid tracks on it, "Hero" and "Scarecrow" in particular. However, the three singles from Psalm 69 - "NWO," "Jesus Built My Hotrod" and "Just One Fix" - are much, much better in their longer 12"/CD single versions.

neither good nor bad, just a kid like you (unperson), Wednesday, 30 December 2009 20:55 (seven years ago) Permalink

I've actually managed to listen to Cannibal Song many, many times. AMIATTTT is peak Ministry imo.

hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 30 December 2009 20:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

thieves =! repetitive bullshit nonsense in any world i live in

― bum-sniff deviant (cutty), Wednesday, December 30, 2009 8:44 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark

1st post of 2010.
say it all really.

mark e, Friday, 1 January 2010 02:10 (seven years ago) Permalink

eight months pass...

i just started getting into this band. i think i am in love with this evil.

also, 'Cannibal Song' is fucking awesome. all yall haters are crazy.

Honey, I squirted jizz all over the baby (the table is the table), Monday, 27 September 2010 23:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

I love classic Ministry but think Psalm 69 is extremely overrated. it's good but don't spin it anywhere near as much as Land of Rape and Mind...."Just One Fix" is ace though

u r no man, take the balls (San Te), Tuesday, 28 September 2010 02:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

six months pass...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministry_discography#Studio_albums

these sales figures are hilarious

fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Tuesday, 12 April 2011 21:56 (six years ago) Permalink

Ouch. How the hell did they lose momentum so badly between Psalm 69 and Filth Pig? Which is an underrated album. Dammit.

GLOWER METAL (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 08:19 (six years ago) Permalink

yeah this is pretty incredible - I now rate it but it's true that I remember a big sense of deflation when Filth Pig came out.

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 08:39 (six years ago) Permalink

To be honest, when it was out Psalm 69 kind of alienated me - maybe it's because noe of it lived up the promise of the single version of Jesus Built My Hotrod - and I was off the bus by Filth Pig. Listening back I can't work out why, as it's really pretty good.

The numbers for The Last Sucker are just embarassing. Has anyone knowingly heard it?

I said Omorotic, not homo-erotic (aldo), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 08:54 (six years ago) Permalink

yeah tbh Psalm 69 is pretty mediocre apart from the singles

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 10:04 (six years ago) Permalink

i always kind of liked filth pig and never understood why it was considered mediocre. after that one i didn't bother though.

alex in mainhattan, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 10:24 (six years ago) Permalink

Psalm 69's not just about the singles. Scarecrow's astounding - that's the heart of the album for me. But I agree it has more filler than The Mind.

Pop is superior to all other genres (DL), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 11:41 (six years ago) Permalink

http://images.uulyrics.com/cover/m/ministry/album-filth-pig.jpg

Don't know how they didn't manage to shift 2 million units of this sucker.

kkvgz, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 11:50 (six years ago) Permalink

I mean, I didn't even buy it. I still use "Filth Pig" as an insult though, particularly toward one of my wife's chihuahuas.

kkvgz, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 11:51 (six years ago) Permalink

filth pig is worthy of the entry price for the bob dylan cover version alone, that's a proper late night + wine loud music blast.

mark e, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 12:02 (six years ago) Permalink

I can sum up why Filth Pig never got anywhere easy -- "The Fall" was released as the first single and it seemed slow, draggy and boring in comparison to a lot of other Ministry singles (and in terms of the mass market, a certain NIN album of the previous year had wider appeal, shall we say).

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 12:05 (six years ago) Permalink

filth pig cover art always reminded me of this classic Arbus photo

http://brownstate.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451be1b69e20105357094dd970c-450wi

by way of Massive Headwound Harry

http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/41589_143588872337299_6284_n.jpg

car's not yellow, it's chicken (Pillbox), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 12:08 (six years ago) Permalink

in addition to what Ned said, Filth Pig sucks and is terrible

fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 13:41 (six years ago) Permalink

At the time I had every Ministry release, and when Filth Pig came out I was just sorely disappointing. It's not as if I was expecting another Land of Rape and Honey, but when I listened to it it felt like the look on my dog's face after he got neutered.

allmypulp, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 14:50 (six years ago) Permalink

I'm listening to "The Fall" again to see if I still hate it

about 20 seconds in, my answer is "no, but it certainly isn't anything special"

fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 15:20 (six years ago) Permalink

S: "the nature of love" (cruelty mix). brutal

ur reading from a season in hell but u don't know what it's abt (missingNO), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 15:20 (six years ago) Permalink

1:30 in, yeah this just sucks

fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 15:21 (six years ago) Permalink

"The Nature of Love" OTOH is and always will be fucking great

fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 15:22 (six years ago) Permalink

To me, Filth Pig was always a massive misread by Al and co of what people were exactly finding appealing about the increasing metallification of Ministry. To my ears, it stripped the last remaining things out of the sound that I still enjoyed, and I found it dreary, plodding and joyless.

I think they found a bit of that again right near the end, but by then almost everyone had tuned out (from the looks of those numbers).

Sean Carruthers, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 15:29 (six years ago) Permalink

Hate the fuck out of filth pig, which ive ranted about somewhere around here

broke my o_O face o_O (jjjusten), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 15:32 (six years ago) Permalink

I felt texturally they were just turning into a big mushy evil-sounding blouse of a band; when I really liked them, they had a killer crispness and precision in their sound and arrangements that they slowly worked out of their sound in favor of increasing amounts of feedback. It just all turned into an amorphous blob of sound that still sounded vaguely mean and evil but didn't have nearly the punch of even their wimpy synth-pop stuff.

fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 15:33 (six years ago) Permalink

I mean, I can kind of dig "NWO" because of the drums but the way the rest of the song works is just not my type of thing; there's also way too much stasis given what the foundational beat of the song is.

"Jesus Built My Hotrod" OTOH just works, I think because it's faster and the distortion on the guitar is brighter with more bite and less sludge.

fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 15:39 (six years ago) Permalink

(in summation, I was having doubts as of A Mind Is A Terrible Thing To Tase but really Psalm 69 is when they just started flat-out sucking hardcore; Filth Pig was just confirmation)

fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 15:40 (six years ago) Permalink

Can I just say "You have been found guilty of commerce with the devil!"

kkvgz, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 15:42 (six years ago) Permalink

yeah i was still down with psalm 69, so filth pig was like a big fart in the pillow moment for me

broke my o_O face o_O (jjjusten), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 15:45 (six years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I read Chris Connelly's first but it seemed so skewed to making out Al was a complete dick that I thought I'd read this for balance. Instead it reinforces some of the conclusions you make from the other book.

the bowels are not what they seem (aldo), Tuesday, 20 January 2015 21:29 (two years ago) Permalink

everyone otm

don't ask me why i posted this (electricsound), Tuesday, 20 January 2015 21:40 (two years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

So this week, Ministry (via Cleopatra Records) posted a previously unreleased live album on Bandcamp. It's called Live Necronomicon, and it's about 85 minutes long - there's a double vinyl edition that may already be sold out, and then a digital version. No CDs. Anyway, according to this piece on Slicing Up Eyeballs, it's basically the raw tapes from In Case You Didn't Feel Like Showing Up, with a few Jello Biafra spoken-word bits and a version of Revolting Cocks' "Stainless Steel Providers" excised. Note that In Case... had a lot of studio overdubs, which are absent here, making the music much more overtly metallic and placing the vocals a lot higher in the mix. The set list includes their covers of Public Image Ltd.'s "Public Image" and Skinny Puppy's "Smothered Hope," and versions of Pailhead's "No Bunny" and "Man Should Surrender" and Lard's "The Power of Lard" and "Hellfudge." It's really good, and worth your nine bucks.

grawlix (unperson), Friday, 7 July 2017 01:55 (five months ago) Permalink

Chris Connelly lives by me. I see him all the time with his family, in full suburban dad mode.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 7 July 2017 02:03 (five months ago) Permalink

Search: With Sympathy

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Friday, 7 July 2017 13:03 (five months ago) Permalink


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