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Again, does anyone know anything about a new album? I know I shouldn't get my hopes up (1/ that it'll happen and 2/ that it'll be any good).

peepee (peepee), Sunday, 27 February 2005 03:04 (nineteen years ago) link

But peepee, what is it that you've heard that we haven't? The "other thread" you quoted from just said something about an album full of remixes done by Franz Ferdinand/Hot Hot Heat. And the link you posted above does not work. Why don't you tell us whatever YOU heard?

Well maybe if some of the Brits hurry up and get on here...of course it's only 7 AM there, so...

Bimble... (Bimble...), Sunday, 27 February 2005 07:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Last time I was on that site, it plainly said something like:

"New album to come"

peepee (peepee), Sunday, 27 February 2005 13:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Well it did say something in that Guardian aritcle about them doing a couple of new songs live.

Bimble... (Bimble...), Sunday, 27 February 2005 21:57 (nineteen years ago) link

I like "Hard". No, really

Morley Timmons (Donna Brown), Sunday, 6 March 2005 21:44 (nineteen years ago) link

"well, except I Love a Man in a Uniform

HANG ON A SECOND, that's a fantastic song, you nutter. Until the end, when it just kind of forgets that it's over and keeps going. "

hahaha OTM

latebloomer: my cats are wobderful (latebloomer), Sunday, 6 March 2005 22:17 (nineteen years ago) link

one month passes...
HOLY FUCK they were amazing last night in SF!

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 12:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, they sounded great at Coachella - much better than their records - I'm actually really interested to hear this re-recorded and remixed disc they're putting out.

Also, "I Love a Man in a Uniform" is one of the best songs ever obviously.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 16:52 (eighteen years ago) link

they didn't play that last night, I couldn't believe it.

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 16:57 (eighteen years ago) link

re-recorded and remixed disc

Oooh. Didn't hear about that! Do tell!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 16:57 (eighteen years ago) link

They're probably and unfortunately self-conscious about "pandering" to the audience with their most pop-friendly track (which is a lame thing to do).

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 16:58 (eighteen years ago) link

According to S/FJ's bloggo, there's a rerecorded version of "To Hell With Poverty" available via iTunes.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 16:59 (eighteen years ago) link

they played "parade myself" though which is way poppier and more stupid.

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 16:59 (eighteen years ago) link

To Hell With Poverty was fucking scathing though, absolutely floor thuddingly great.

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 17:03 (eighteen years ago) link

It is my understanding that they're playing only stuff from the first two records cuz that's the only two which Dave Allen played on.

peepee (peepee), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 17:05 (eighteen years ago) link

I had to go to the ballet last night and missed them.

M. White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 17:08 (eighteen years ago) link

xpost - good.

Hoping for "He'd Send in the Army" ....

diedre mousedropping (Dave225), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 17:09 (eighteen years ago) link

So is Songs Of The Free going to get a reissue soon? I can't believe Hard got one, and Songs didn't... (actually even weirder, the Hard reissue is a twofer with Solid Gold!)

donut debonair (donut), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 17:37 (eighteen years ago) link

that hard reissue sounded like someone had the rights to just those two, and realized no one would buy hard on its own, so they tacked it on. but maybe that's totally off-base.

j fail (cenotaph), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 17:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Songs Of The Free is great in a way that's totally different from the first two.. if there's any single album that would serve as a primer for what Thinking Fellers Union Local 282 sound closest to, save "I Love A Man In A Uniform", Songs Of The Free is it.

donut debonair (donut), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 17:49 (eighteen years ago) link

Going next week!

By the way, does anyone else think it's kinda fucking lame that this is a Clear Channel tour? I mean, I don't expect everyone to toe the indie line on that but for a band that talked so much political B.S. in their day I find it irksome.

Still, I'm going and (thanks to my...cough...CC connection....I'm going for free!) Yay me!

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 17:50 (eighteen years ago) link

By the way, does anyone else think it's kinda fucking lame that this is a Clear Channel tour? I mean, I don't expect everyone to toe the indie line on that but for a band that talked so much political B.S. in their day I find it irksome.

I'd let it slide, because how else would they be able to tour North America? I doubt Warner Bros. was going to give them tour support for a 25 year old album.

Vic Funk, Wednesday, 4 May 2005 18:00 (eighteen years ago) link

i went to the fillmore last night, only to find out my ticket wasn't waiting for me at the door. fucking pissed i missed it.

ken taylrr (ken taylrr), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 18:15 (eighteen years ago) link

What's more lame is that a friend of mine has been working on getting this to happen for the last two years and then got screwed by one of the band signing with another booking agent, and the rest of them going along with it. That, and getting the former manager of Wham! involved.

peepee (peepee), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 19:32 (eighteen years ago) link

i went to the fillmore last night, only to find out my ticket wasn't waiting for me at the door. fucking pissed i missed it.

had you paid for it already? I think this is going to happen to me every time I get willcall tickets.

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 19:35 (eighteen years ago) link

I'd let it slide, because how else would they be able to tour North America? I doubt Warner Bros. was going to give them tour support for a 25 year old album.

I dunno, I've seen people like The Soft Boys and Richard Thompson, and Mission of Burma do reunion (non Clear Channel) tours at First Ave in recent years...they can't be getting much in the way of tour support.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 19:37 (eighteen years ago) link

haha I guess Richard Thompson was reuniting with himself!

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 19:42 (eighteen years ago) link

you know, this band sounds better now than they did when they recorded those records. THey were THUNDEROUS. Jon King was a SPAZZ. I can't imagine he had more energy in the 1980 than he did last night.

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 21:50 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm really excited for tuesday.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 21:51 (eighteen years ago) link

SO TORN. I hate both Clear Channel and the Quest, plus I smoke my fucking head off and Minneapolis has a brand-new smoking ban. On the other hand, it's the Gang of Four, and I hear tell of a product called Nicorette. AGH.

box of socks, Wednesday, 4 May 2005 22:22 (eighteen years ago) link

box of socks, another mpls ilxor! hi there.

i didn't even TRY to get tickets, by the time i caught wind i knew it was a done deal.

so BoS if you want to stand outside and smoke i'll watch for you and tell you abt it later...

g e o f f (gcannon), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 22:46 (eighteen years ago) link

Greetings from the Lyndale and Franklin area. It's sold out, is it? Well, that makes it simple for me. Fuck a Clear Channel show. I saw 'em back in the day anyway.

box of socks, Wednesday, 4 May 2005 22:51 (eighteen years ago) link

< /bitter old punk >

box of socks, Wednesday, 4 May 2005 22:56 (eighteen years ago) link

no shit? well now i feel bad for telling ppl trying to sell me on bloc party to fuck off cos "i bought entertainment and solid gold in 1995, dude..."

ha i just looked at the quest website, and maybe it's not sold out! i'll have to think about this, the opinion on this thread seems to = they are on fire.

g e o f f (gcannon), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 22:59 (eighteen years ago) link

maybe it's not sold out! ... the opinion on this thread seems to = they are on fire

AGGGHHHGGGHHH

box of socks, Wednesday, 4 May 2005 23:01 (eighteen years ago) link

I paid a shitload of money for this show ($25/ticket plus ridiculous service fees) and I am not the biggest Gang of Four fan on earth and I was absolutely not disappointed in any way. If that helps.

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 23:04 (eighteen years ago) link

On another message board, a guy who went to Coachella gave the Gang of 4 a 3-star (out of 5) review and said "I wouldn't buy an album." But he gave the Futureheads 4 1/2 stars. With no apparent irony.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Thursday, 5 May 2005 01:24 (eighteen years ago) link

On another message board, a guy who went to Coachella gave the Gang of 4 a 3-star (out of 5) review and said "I wouldn't buy an album." But he gave the Futureheads 4 1/2 stars. With no apparent irony.

I totally understand that mentality, though! There's nothing wrong with liking the current "imitators" more than the original.

donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 5 May 2005 01:45 (eighteen years ago) link

I mean, I like early XTC more than the Futureheads (which I think is a more reasoned comparison), and I certainly like Gang Of Four more than Radio 4... but if someone has the opposite opinion, good for her/him!

donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 5 May 2005 01:46 (eighteen years ago) link

In principle, I agree. In practice...the Futureheads?

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Thursday, 5 May 2005 01:49 (eighteen years ago) link

One thing to keep in mind about the tour sponsorship and all, Dave Allen has been working for record labels in A&R on and off for a long time. The dude is in the biz. At least in the US, Gof4 was always on a major label. Mind you, it doesn't change how the tunes sound.

Earl Nash (earlnash), Thursday, 5 May 2005 01:58 (eighteen years ago) link

earl, you mean hugo, not dave. dave has been in the biz, too, but in a much more indie role (he used to work at emusic, for instance).

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Thursday, 5 May 2005 02:23 (eighteen years ago) link

and the major label thing is a ruse too. the indie architecture in the us hadn't been built then! i mean, the ramones were on a major!

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Thursday, 5 May 2005 02:24 (eighteen years ago) link

I dunno, I've seen people like The Soft Boys and Richard Thompson, and Mission of Burma do reunion (non Clear Channel) tours at First Ave in recent years...they can't be getting much in the way of tour support.

Well, I'm pretty sure Burma didn't have to fly all its band/crew/instruments over from the UK for starters (and the "tour out of Atlanta" story in Our Band Could Be Your Life shows they knew how to tour the US cheap and effectively). As for the Soft Boys, they had a deluxe reissue of a classic album and a reunion LP after 20 years on Matador, so I'm sure they got some money to tour. As for Thompson, I dunno. Does he travel with a band? If not, that cuts down on touring costs.

Vic Funk, Thursday, 5 May 2005 10:49 (eighteen years ago) link

thompson was with a band. still, WHAT ABOUT THE INDIANS THAT ARE BEING EXPLOITED, IS NO ONE THINKING OF THEM?

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 5 May 2005 13:20 (eighteen years ago) link

Did any of you read that backlash thread about the Gang of 4 on the Dissensus chat board where folks argued that they were overrated--stiff musically, cliched lyrically, and hypocritical cuz they were on a major babbling about marxism while trying to sell as many records as they could?

I don't buy most of that criticism but it was provocative.

steve-k, Thursday, 5 May 2005 13:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Anyone into the Gang of Four because of the pseudomarxism needs to have their lives subsidized.

peepee (peepee), Thursday, 5 May 2005 13:51 (eighteen years ago) link

hahaha... i just read that as a question, peepee

ken taylrr (ken taylrr), Thursday, 5 May 2005 18:34 (eighteen years ago) link

Was their Marxism really pseudo? I thought that their sociopolitical stance was what made their aesthetic work. Isn't the tension inherent in their being a pop band critical of pop commodity-selling as an enterprise what makes them still worth listening to today, not just that Dave Allen could really place bass, & etcetera? I mean, isn't that just the thing that keeps them from being totally rigid and unfun, that they express the confusion and conflict of "false consciousness", and don't just present a line of dogma, like other bands of their ilk? Sorry, I'm not a music critic-- it seems like this is the stuff is what really makes them artists worth listening to and thinking about, not just that they made pretty noises or whatever.

Anyway, I've been thinking about going to see them, but I'm really conflicted about it. Could I get some elaboration here from the people who have gone to see them? What does it mean that they sound better now than they did in their prime? Are they still coming from somewhere near the same stance that they did back in the day, or is this just a payday for them? And does that matter? I dunno, maybe they've evolved into something better and I'd be missing out if I didn't go. Anyone?

Chris F. (servoret), Friday, 6 May 2005 18:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Jon's voice sounds a little tired in that clip. Luckily halfway through he does "that thing live musicians do where they let the crowd sing the chorus."

Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 25 May 2023 19:49 (ten months ago) link

I almost went to one of their shows. Looking at that video, I'm glad I didn't. Is it just basically all old people trying to re-live their rocker years?

Punster McPunisher, Friday, 26 May 2023 01:48 (ten months ago) link

sure looks like it

broken breakbeat (sleeve), Friday, 26 May 2023 01:48 (ten months ago) link

You're not wrong.

Elvis Telecom, Friday, 26 May 2023 05:13 (ten months ago) link

I’m glad I saw the full original lineup reunion in the aughts— Jon was far from tired and seeing Andy shred live was a godlike experience.

Every post of mine is an expression of eternity (Boring, Maryland), Friday, 26 May 2023 13:35 (ten months ago) link


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