i think some dude recorded the bass parts himself and released the bass-enhanced version of the album. i can't remember what he called it... i think it might have mentioned cliff. perhaps "and justice for cliff" or something.
― res, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 22:36 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah i think thats right
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 22:43 (fifteen years ago) link
AND JASON FOR ALL! YOU PEOPLE, SHEESH!
― Pleasant Plains, Thursday, 31 July 2008 03:47 (fifteen years ago) link
everybody who says To Live is To Die isn't good probably drinks their own pee.
No comparison to Call of Ktulu, no, but it has that really nice quiet passage in the middle....
― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Thursday, 31 July 2008 03:54 (fifteen years ago) link
Also the way the heavy part comes in all off time and ominous after the wimpy acoutsic intro. It's badass. Plus I think Cliff wrote the 'lyrics'
The love for "Frayed Ends of Sanity" here is baffling - come on guys. That Wizard of Oz shit at the beginning?
― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Thursday, 31 July 2008 05:22 (fifteen years ago) link
i was thinking of making a poll of songs that use that wizard of oz shit (prince, mos def, etc.).
listen to the riff underneath the solo in "frayed ends of sanity", that shit is awesome.
― Jordan, Thursday, 31 July 2008 14:46 (fifteen years ago) link
I'd love to see that poll! (Can't forget "Jungle Love".)
Me, I really could've done without "Harvester of Sorrow". But then we'd have had an 8-song album with a configuration/track sequence a little too similar to a watered-down Master of Puppets, which itself was a kinda rehash of Ride the Lightning. Diminishing returns, etc.
― Myonga Vön Bontee, Thursday, 31 July 2008 16:08 (fifteen years ago) link
i didn't name it!
― res, Thursday, 31 July 2008 18:06 (fifteen years ago) link
the former prime minister of india Morarji Desai drank his own urine for decades until his death at the age of 99. I'm not sure how he felt about that song however.
― res, Thursday, 31 July 2008 18:09 (fifteen years ago) link
All this I cannot bear to witness.
― Pleasant Plains, Thursday, 31 July 2008 18:13 (fifteen years ago) link
i just found it. it's called and justice for jason. it doesn't sound all that great. the dude who made it really overdid the bass, imho
― res, Thursday, 31 July 2008 18:40 (fifteen years ago) link
didn't Cliff steal the 'lyrics' from To Live is to Die from some sci fi movie or something
― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Friday, 1 August 2008 02:45 (fifteen years ago) link
It was a speech by Merlin from Excalibur!
― VAG... NI... HITLER (Leee), Sunday, 29 March 2009 00:41 (fifteen years ago) link
The only good tune is "To Live Is To Die."
My god this is wrong.
Just listening to the intro to the title track and thinking it's one of the prettiest and saddest acoustic guitar passages I know.
― rhythm fixated member (chap), Sunday, 4 July 2010 02:47 (thirteen years ago) link
this album is grate! Legend of Zelda metal!!!
― is this the end of zombie Shakespeare? (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 4 July 2010 03:03 (thirteen years ago) link
production's a little bit eh but this album forever imo \m/ O_O \m/
― ksh, Sunday, 4 July 2010 03:08 (thirteen years ago) link
I am my own best friend
― calstars, Sunday, 4 July 2010 03:14 (thirteen years ago) link
that's a great record too
― ksh, Sunday, 4 July 2010 03:18 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnatnzxxtFE
― Duke, Sunday, 4 July 2010 20:17 (thirteen years ago) link
Some guy has done his own re-mix (upping Jason's bass) using the Rockband game....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAvwod7BBK0
― Duke, Sunday, 4 July 2010 20:21 (thirteen years ago) link
This record doesn't work with bass. That version of "Blackened" just sounds like...I don't know, Anthrax or something. The thin sound is half the point. AJFA is actually my favorite of the first four Metallica records, and the sound is a huge part of that.
― Born In A Test Tube, Raised In A Cage (unperson), Sunday, 4 July 2010 20:37 (thirteen years ago) link
total classic this album. oh how the mighty have fallen
― charlie h, Sunday, 20 February 2011 11:14 (thirteen years ago) link
The thin sound is half the point. Yeah, the record's like an icey transmission from the wastelands.
― kkvgz, Sunday, 20 February 2011 13:54 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, thin but effective. And as with so much metal, who really needs to hear the bass?
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 20 February 2011 14:00 (thirteen years ago) link
this album is a rare one that hasn't changed in standing with me since I first heard it. I like it a lot, but it has a dreadful middle including "Frayed Ends of Sanity", and "Harvester of Sorrow", which I"m sorry to say is still real boring, except for the middle instrumental break.
but the surrounding tracks, including the blistering Dyer's Eve, make up for it.
― angel of debt!!! monarch to the kingdom of the Fed... (San Te), Sunday, 20 February 2011 16:35 (thirteen years ago) link
including "Frayed Ends of Sanity", and "Harvester of Sorrow", which I"m sorry to say is still real boring, except for the middle instrumental break.
The middle thrash out in Frayed is fucking epic, and I quite like the chorus as well.
Dyer's Eve is Hetfield's most heartfelt lyric and vocal performance ever, I think.
― Inevitable stupid dubstep mix (chap), Sunday, 20 February 2011 16:38 (thirteen years ago) link
"Frayed End" has a good instrumental break in the middle, which would have enhanced a good-great song, but to me I can't get into it because I hate the verse and the chorus.
To Live is to Die though I love.
― angel of debt!!! monarch to the kingdom of the Fed... (San Te), Sunday, 20 February 2011 16:40 (thirteen years ago) link
harvester of sorrow is actually one of the tracks i liked
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Sunday, 20 February 2011 16:51 (thirteen years ago) link
This might actually be my favourite Metallica album by now.
― Siegbran, Sunday, 20 February 2011 16:54 (thirteen years ago) link
Second to MoP for me.
― Inevitable stupid dubstep mix (chap), Sunday, 20 February 2011 16:55 (thirteen years ago) link
for me it's MOP, then RTL, and it varies but is usually AJFA after that cuz Kill Em All is good but has a few tracks I'm not into.
― angel of debt!!! monarch to the kingdom of the Fed... (San Te), Sunday, 20 February 2011 17:09 (thirteen years ago) link
sometimes RTL jumps to number one. the title track is just....wau
RTL for me personally
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Sunday, 20 February 2011 17:13 (thirteen years ago) link
30th anniversary edition on its way
― Duke, Thursday, 6 September 2018 19:55 (five years ago) link
https://youtu.be/MqL04r775p4
― Duke, Thursday, 6 September 2018 19:57 (five years ago) link
"Metallica celebrate the 30th anniversary of their fourth album ...And Justice for All with a new “definitive” reissue. The remastered album will be released in a number of formats, including an enormous deluxe box set featuring live recordings, rough mixes, demos, interviews, and much more. It will also be available in standard edition on CD, vinyl, cassette, and digitally. It’s due out November 2 via the band’s owned Blackened Recordings."
― Duke, Thursday, 6 September 2018 20:00 (five years ago) link
This is still my favourite Metallica album. Dyer's Eve, some days, is my favourite Metallica song.
Don't think I'm that fussed about a reissue. I got enough thinly-baked-Walkman-hour dreams to last me a lifetime.
― The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Thursday, 6 September 2018 20:03 (five years ago) link
Album's great. Master of Puppets boxed set was awesome (once).
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 6 September 2018 20:38 (five years ago) link
at this point i think master will always be "the best" but justice is probably the one i'm most interested in listening to today
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 6 September 2018 20:59 (five years ago) link
Alternating beat syncopation on Blackened gets me every time
― calstars, Thursday, 6 September 2018 21:02 (five years ago) link
This album is a monument, still the Metallica album I pull out, and I keep finding things (usually the cool riffs under solo sections that I didn't notice before)
― change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 6 September 2018 21:18 (five years ago) link
Frayed Ends of Sanity has the best one (and everything else)
― change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 6 September 2018 21:19 (five years ago) link
Maybe it'll inspire another debate about the bass tracks.....
― Duke, Thursday, 6 September 2018 21:20 (five years ago) link
Oh god, I hope not - at this point the whole thing about Jason's bass on this record is the least possible interesting line of discussion - some of Metallica's most complex/intricate compositions are on this album, and the production has aged quite well - given what it could have sounded like with all the production trappings that were the norm in 1988.
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Thursday, 6 September 2018 21:27 (five years ago) link
I personally am looking forward to the vinyl Guitar Hero mix included in the deluxe box
― Duke, Thursday, 6 September 2018 21:32 (five years ago) link
i ordered this cd the other day, think it might be a good one....: https://www.discogs.com/Metallica-And-Justice-For-All/release/1695616
― brimstead, Thursday, 6 September 2018 21:32 (five years ago) link
Love this record. Will either buy the single or triple disc version.
This - from the super deluxe box set - might be a back-door way of putting a bass-ier mix out there:
CD 5: Rough Mixes from the Vault Blackened (Work in Progress Rough Mix) …And Justice for All (Work in Progress Rough Mix) Eye of the Beholder (Work in Progress Rough Mix) One (Work in Progress Rough Mix) The Shortest Straw (Work in Progress Rough Mix) Harvester of Sorrow (Work in Progress Rough Mix) The Frayed Ends of Sanity (Work in Progress Rough Mix) To Live Is to Die (Acoustic Intro) (Work in Progress Rough Mix) To Live Is to Die (Work in Progress Rough Mix) Dyers Eve (Work in Progress Rough Mix) Breadfan (Work in Progress Rough Mix) The Prince (Work in Progress Rough Mix)
Blackened (Work in Progress Rough Mix) …And Justice for All (Work in Progress Rough Mix) Eye of the Beholder (Work in Progress Rough Mix) One (Work in Progress Rough Mix) The Shortest Straw (Work in Progress Rough Mix) Harvester of Sorrow (Work in Progress Rough Mix) The Frayed Ends of Sanity (Work in Progress Rough Mix) To Live Is to Die (Acoustic Intro) (Work in Progress Rough Mix) To Live Is to Die (Work in Progress Rough Mix) Dyers Eve (Work in Progress Rough Mix) Breadfan (Work in Progress Rough Mix) The Prince (Work in Progress Rough Mix)
― grawlix (unperson), Thursday, 6 September 2018 21:42 (five years ago) link
Just watched some of that video - the new version of the 2LP fits both discs into a single wide sleeve. The original (which I owned) was a gatefold. I'm not a vinyl person at all but that's kinda chintzy to me.
― grawlix (unperson), Friday, 7 September 2018 00:54 (five years ago) link
i think this is my favorite metallica record. i feel like i'm still learning things about it (to echo jordan's sentiment upthread). also "blackened" just routinely blows my mind, i really think it's their best opener
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Saturday, 8 September 2018 17:23 (five years ago) link
"to live is to die" is such a lovely instrumental too, so many gorgeous melodic choices. i hear echoes of that approach in "junior dad" too
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Saturday, 8 September 2018 17:27 (five years ago) link
they had a cow interpret the frequencies
― waiting for a czar to fall (Neanderthal), Monday, 20 February 2023 23:38 (one year ago) link
The only place on the album it's audible to me is the intro to "Eye of the Beholder".
― Halfway there but for you, Monday, 20 February 2023 23:39 (one year ago) link
To live is to jason
― calstars, Tuesday, 21 February 2023 00:00 (one year ago) link
I hit the final stage of Acceptance with the bass on this album long ago.
It is what it is, and at this point, it's like complaining about the lack of bass on "When Doves Cry".
― pplains, Tuesday, 21 February 2023 16:16 (one year ago) link
what's weird about this album for me specifically is that when I was a kid I had a copied cassette version of this album, which was copied from another copied cassette, so I always thought it sounded kind of weird and not very dynamic, but always assumed that's what happened when you listened to a cassette that was a copy of a copy. Then 10 years later as an adult, I randomly buy this album on CD when stumbling upon it in a used CD store and I put it on thinking I would finally hear this album the way it's supposed to sound and it sounds basically the same as my cassette copy.
Still my most listened to Metallica album by far, that shitty cassette copy got a lot of plays.
― silverfish, Tuesday, 21 February 2023 16:55 (one year ago) link