"OK Computer" vs. "Mechanical Animals"

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someone who's trying to be funny but isn't vs someone who is trying to be serious but is laughable. hell, i can't pick.

― di, Sunday, 14 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

The second one i.e. Enrique!

― bnw, Monday, 15 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

''Bitches Brew is from 1970, hardly a "mid-1970s" Miles Davis record. As for mid-70's Miles studio* albums, there is only one, Get Up With It (he "retired" in early 1975). Yr arguement involving Miles Davis's albums from that time period is pretty flimsy at best.''

Oh, who fucking cares abt dates. 'Sometime in the 70s it is' then.

You state my argument is flimsy= but where's the reasoning.

I won't back down on the point that BB is a dud and I equate it to what radiohead are doing (not that they've made a jazz album) in that they are both artists on major labels who have 'experimented' and failed to come up with the goods. And on Mclaughin, I just don't see what's so good abt his guitar playing, really.

― Julio Desouza, Monday, 15 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

'BB' is a dud with about 3 listenable minutes (the trumpet entering in 'Spanish Key', and - ha ha ha - "John McLaughlin"), 'Silent Way' is Coffee Republic music, 'Pangaea' sounds like a dripping tap. Even "Rated X" sounds like music for a local (i.e. lo-budget) sports program. I've nothing against electric jazz-funk, but it's got to have some funk, or some jazz in it, or rock even. 'Miles in the Sky' (actually ALL the Shorter/Williams/Hancock stuff) is where it stops for me and the Dark Magus.

― dave q, Monday, 15 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

dark magus - there is so much shit rhythm guitar played on here - on the corner - i slow it down to main-like mush b4 listening - GIMME iasw AND taktaks S.O.E. anyday. i have never heard OKC or MA apart from the singles - PA has the ambition but TDS wins by it's execution - neither have owt to do with me.

― a-33, Monday, 15 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

They both suck. Proof: this thread has turned into a discussion of Miles Davis' 70s records. Nuffsaid.

― Ben Butler, Monday, 15 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Anyway...Radiohead make me want to piss myself they are so laughable, but their hardcore fans make me want to murder people.

― Ally, Monday, 15 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

"Mechanical Animals" - an example of a (ultimately one-man) band who mean it about not meaning it, but end up meaning it anyway? IOW, it's as artificial and deliberate as all hell, but I still find it to be quite an emotionally affecting album. (inspired by recent discussions re The Streets and Daft Punk).

― Tim, Monday, 15 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

If forced to pick one, I'd probably go with _MA_ because, like Ned, I was completely shock and amazed that Marylin Manson had finally come up with an album that lived up to his image; I desperately wanted to like him, but his music was so horrible that I couldn't do more than chuckle at his imagery. Except, I hated Radiohead before _OK Computer_ made me realize that not everything they did sounded like "Creep". Shoot, I can't pick.

― Dan Perry, Monday, 15 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

''They both suck. Proof: this thread has turned into a discussion of Miles Davis' 70s records. Nuffsaid.''

And I started it. isn't it wonderful?

― Julio Desouza, Monday, 15 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Well, Dave Q, you should remember your Shakespeare. Art holds a mirror up to the soul, and if a monkey looks into it, it sure as hell won't see a philosopher staring out.

― Chris Sallis, Monday, 15 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

like monkeys which escaped from radiohead message boards, etc?

― jess, Monday, 15 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Unless its a very philosophical monkey of course.

― Chris Sallis, Monday, 15 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Christ that was quick Jess! Are you following me?

― Chris Sallis, Monday, 15 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

All right then, it's a fair cop guvnor. I admit before the entire web community that I have visited, of my own free will, websites dedicated to the british pop band radiohead. How any of you will be able to find it in your hearts to forgive me I cannot fathom, but the fact remains.

Radiohead piss on MM from a very, very great height.

― Chris Sallis, Monday, 15 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

yes yes but are they better?

― mark s, Monday, 15 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

They both suck. Proof: this thread has turned into a discussion of Miles Davis' 70s records.

Where?

― matthew m., Monday, 15 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Matthew- go down the road from your house (we know where you live), turn left, and you will find ILM-ers chewing the fat over Miles 70s albums.

― Julio Desouza, Tuesday, 16 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

seven years pass...

Wow, this was a weird thread.

Relistening to Mechanical for the first time in a bit. Still fantastic. This might have been Michael Beinhorn's year as a producer (see also Celebrity Skin).

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 27 May 2009 19:46 (fourteen years ago) link

Mechanical may not be the best record but its by far more enjoyable to listen to. still love it.

― Jamie_ATP, Wednesday, 27 May 2009 20:14 (fourteen years ago) link

NEW
NEW
NEW MODEL!

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 27 May 2009 20:18 (fourteen years ago) link

nine years pass...

It's Mechanical Animals.

― Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Friday, 11 January 2019 11:02 (five years ago) link

reminded today that this year also had Mansun - Six / Pulp - This Is Hardcore / Smashing Pumpkins - Adore / Eels - Electro-Shock Blues

it was a good music year for me to be a moody 14 year old in.

― Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Friday, 18 January 2019 15:08 (five years ago) link

What a thread.

― pomenitul, Friday, 18 January 2019 15:14 (five years ago) link

I was a moody 13 year old when Mechanical Animals came out and I remember liking it less than Antichrist Superstar.

― pomenitul, Friday, 18 January 2019 15:15 (five years ago) link

^^ Same, was very disappointed by it.

― Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 18 January 2019 15:17 (five years ago) link

'The Dope Show' was cool and all but it didn't send a transgressive teenage shiver down my spine like 'The Beautiful People' when I first heard it a year prior or the rumour according to which he'd removed one of his ribs to suck his own dick.

― pomenitul, Friday, 18 January 2019 15:22 (five years ago) link

I was a moody 13 year old when Mechanical Animals came out and I remember liking it less than Antichrist Superstar.

― pomenitul, Friday, January 18, 2019 8:15 AM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

pretty sure time reveals that mechanical animals is just better all around from a songwriting standpoint

which, ofc, i haven't really been able to listen to any of his records since the jeordie white stuff came out

― jolene club remix (BradNelson), Friday, 18 January 2019 15:27 (five years ago) link

xp it's true, nothing says 'transgression'' to a teenager like triplets

― j., Friday, 18 January 2019 16:11 (five years ago) link

That and the diabolus in musica.

― pomenitul, Friday, 18 January 2019 16:17 (five years ago) link

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