R. Kelly - "Trapped in the Closet

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I don't think it's crazy to assume that "Closet" would elicit a greater, more emotionally connected response than your average performance. I mean, that's what melodrama's all about, right?

― Rich (Rich), Monday, 29 August 2005 20:02 (eighteen years ago) link

http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/webbin/gutbook/lookup?num=445

― deej.., Monday, 29 August 2005 20:06 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.mtv.com/bands/archive/m/manson00/images/main.jpg
"if the government allows gay sex, then you have the right to bigamy, you have the right to polygamy, you have the right to incest, you have the right to adultery. marriage is not, you know, man on child, man on dog, or whatever the case may be. americans must preserve institution of marriage."

― 3, Monday, 29 August 2005 20:06 (eighteen years ago) link

http://harley.geog.ox.ac.uk/~mark/beavis/bb8.gif

― 3, Monday, 29 August 2005 20:10 (eighteen years ago) link

3 is totally otm, you guys are nuts. and even if people were applauding the dude going back to his wife (tho that's incredibly unlikely), that doesn't necessarily make them homophobic!! wtf! dude cheated on his wife but is hoping to be redeemed. if rufus cheated with a chick and then went back to his wife would your hypothetical homophobic applauders be all like yelling out "fuck that rufus, tap that ass!!!!" sheesh.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 29 August 2005 20:11 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah for real, dude is a pastor after all!!

― 3, Monday, 29 August 2005 20:13 (eighteen years ago) link

hstencil what the fuck are you talking about i never accused anyone of being homophobic explicitely, i said 'thumbs down' because i the ending made me uncomfortable and i thought i was rather hard to believe. And your parallel doesnt even make sense.

― deej.., Monday, 29 August 2005 20:14 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm assuming "let's settle it christian-like" doesn't mean like the rev. fred phelps.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 29 August 2005 20:14 (eighteen years ago) link

it doesn't make sense that a pastor would admit to sin and try to redeem himself??!?? yeah, right, whatever.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 29 August 2005 20:15 (eighteen years ago) link

I thought ILM was based around people trying to prove they're not racist, rather than not homophobic?

http://home.earthlink.net/~scottsmiley/images/Confused.gif

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 29 August 2005 20:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Every married person on ILM is thinking "FUCK YOU DEEJ" right about now.

― The Ghost of Vows? What Are Those? (Dan Perry), Monday, 29 August 2005 20:26 (eighteen years ago) link

if rufus cheated with a chick and then went back to his wife would your hypothetical homophobic applauders be all like yelling out "fuck that rufus, tap that ass!!!!" sheesh.

Thats the parallel that doesn't make sense.

― deej.., Monday, 29 August 2005 20:27 (eighteen years ago) link

hstencil you should go chill with your friend THA PUMPSTA.

― deej.., Monday, 29 August 2005 20:29 (eighteen years ago) link

it makes total sense, you're just an idiot. think about it: people applauding for a reason OTHER THAN THE SONG BEING OVER might just have been applauding because the guy WENT BACK TO HIS WIFE NO MATTER WHAT THE SEX OF THE PERSON HE WAS CHEATING ON HER WITH WAS. jeez. get one reading comprehension, dolt-i-mean-deej.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 29 August 2005 20:29 (eighteen years ago) link

deej seriously you should go FUCK YOURSELF now, asswipe. where was i when other people were discussing kill whitie?!? oh right, ALL OVER THE THREAD SAYING HOW FUCKING LAME KILL WHITIE IS. get one new scapegoat, and perhaps pay attention in class, fuckface.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 29 August 2005 20:30 (eighteen years ago) link

I Love Music But Hate People

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Monday, 29 August 2005 20:32 (eighteen years ago) link

"If you don't see it's funny, I can't help you."

― deej.., Monday, 29 August 2005 20:32 (eighteen years ago) link

hstencil you can take one lighten-up pill PLEASE.

― deej.., Monday, 29 August 2005 20:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Deej, take one make-sense pill!

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Monday, 29 August 2005 20:33 (eighteen years ago) link

hstencil you can take one lighten-up pill PLEASE.
-- deej.. (el...), August 29th, 2005.

Doctor, heal thyself.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 29 August 2005 20:35 (eighteen years ago) link

Dan what doesn't make sense?

I said the super-happy cheers at the end of the unconvincing skit where the dude who cheats on his wife with a MAN decides to go back to his wife was suspect and made me uncomfortable.

Apparently I'm not allowed to feel this way, and also I've been randomly calling people homophobes and I'm trying too hard to prove how PC I am?!

Fuck that.

xp M@tt I didn't just flip out and call people asswhipes.

― deej.., Monday, 29 August 2005 20:36 (eighteen years ago) link

you said fuck you ethan as soon as he came on the thread....you didn't use the term "asswipe" though. that's true.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 29 August 2005 20:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Yes, and they might have been applauding because alien invaders made them appluade via powerful brain-suggestion-machines, what's your point? They also could have been cheering because "yay, he decided to stay with WOMAN where MAN BELONG" which I don't think is much of a stretch.

― deej.., Monday, 29 August 2005 20:39 (eighteen years ago) link

"Oh fuck you ethan"

vs.

"deej seriously you should go FUCK YOURSELF now, asswipe. where was i when other people were discussing kill whitie?!? oh right, ALL OVER THE THREAD SAYING HOW FUCKING LAME KILL WHITIE IS. get one new scapegoat, and perhaps pay attention in class, fuckface."

― deej.., Monday, 29 August 2005 20:40 (eighteen years ago) link

it's not my job to give a fuck whether or why people cheer at shit. sorry you're so sensitive, l'il deej. i'm sure all those GAYBASHERS in MIAMI BEACH (yeah right!!!) will get their comeuppance someday.

xpost deej you compared me with kill whitie so i think you deserve all of that hatred and vitriol. you're a fucking idiot.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 29 August 2005 20:41 (eighteen years ago) link

well...so you weren't BAITING stence with a COMPLETELY RANDOM PUMPSTA reference??

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 29 August 2005 20:43 (eighteen years ago) link

"people who disagree with me should be compared to hitler"

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 29 August 2005 20:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Of course I was baiting him, just like how Ethan was baiting me when he accused me of falling over myself to prove how against homophobia I am. Welcome to ILM, verbal jabs abound.

― deej.., Monday, 29 August 2005 20:44 (eighteen years ago) link

deej, stop patting yourself on the back, you weren't even the first person on this thread to claim the cheers for homophobia.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 29 August 2005 20:46 (eighteen years ago) link

hstencil every post you've made is more ridiculous than the last.

― deej.., Monday, 29 August 2005 20:47 (eighteen years ago) link

well at least i'm funny, then.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 29 August 2005 20:49 (eighteen years ago) link

To start with the most recent - how am i patting myself on the back?!

― deej.., Monday, 29 August 2005 20:49 (eighteen years ago) link

I think it's really cool how I'm not homophobic and was the first one on this thread to notice how people were applauding because Rufus went back to his wife. Job well done, deej!

-- deej.. (el...), August 29th, 2005.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 29 August 2005 20:51 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, for starters you're acting like comparing hstencil to a racist dipshit is somehow germane to the discussion at hand and brings a new dimension to this argument and not a completely random, nonsensical aside that seems to serve no purpose than to provide a datapoint for the theory that you are a pissy little bitch who doesn't like it when the gigantic logical fallacies in your arguments get called out.

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Monday, 29 August 2005 20:53 (eighteen years ago) link

Hey Dan apparently i'm not 'deej' i'm 'dolt,' so can you PLEASE underline for me where this GIGANTIC LOGICAL FALLACY is?

― deej.., Monday, 29 August 2005 20:57 (eighteen years ago) link

deej just walk away man. this isn't worth your time. you'll thank me later.

― oops (Oops), Monday, 29 August 2005 20:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Hey Dan apparently i'm not 'deej' i'm 'dolt,' so can you PLEASE underline for me where this GIGANTIC LOGICAL FALLACY is?

that people were applauding because Rufus had decided to go back to his wife, not just because, it was an awards show and it was the END OF THE SONG, like ethan suggested.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 29 August 2005 21:02 (eighteen years ago) link

you guys, can't we settle this christian-like

― maura (maura), Monday, 29 August 2005 21:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Where will we find lions at this time of night, Maura?

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Monday, 29 August 2005 21:03 (eighteen years ago) link

M@tt, like I said upthread, I understand people felt that way, I was just saying that I felt differently. I don't see how ethan is unquestionably right or how my disagreeing is a HUGE LOGICAL FALLACY.

― deej.., Monday, 29 August 2005 21:05 (eighteen years ago) link

"Deej says 'Yes'"
Dan says 'No'
Deej say 'Yes'
Dan says 'No'
stence says 'I shoulda known you woulda gone and do some bogus shit up on this board!"

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 29 August 2005 21:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Also Dan my remark re: pumpsta was pretty below the belt but to be fair I was saying it as a joke because hstencil had mentioned in that thread that he knew who pumpsta was, calling people out for liking pumpsta isn't my new rhetorical technique or something.

― deej.., Monday, 29 August 2005 21:08 (eighteen years ago) link

Okay, this has offically become a GREAT thread turned to shit by name calling and idiocy. Seriously, let's get this back to a discussion of the significance of the the whole song suite here ... it's pretty damn revolutionary for R&B, I think. And maybe for pop music. The world's simplest and greatest "to be continued" production.

Trapped in the Closet, Part 117 -- in which Rufus and Chuck reunited in the down-low retirement home.

― Chris O., Monday, 29 August 2005 21:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Um, you guys should all stop fighting and feel a little more than embarrassed that you watched anything on MTV in the first place.

MTV = dumbing down society

FACT

this stupid fight is only backing it up

MTV has grown into such a monster, I don't really think it matters whether or not their audience is homophobic. Look at the reality shows, the beach party shows, the "total request live" shows, fucking Beavis and Butthead.

The only thing to conclude is that MTV's audience is CHILDISH and FUCKING BORDERLINE RETARDED.

― jsoulja (jsoulja), Monday, 29 August 2005 21:22 (eighteen years ago) link

xpost

The only thing similar I can think of is EPMD's "Jane" saga, but that went album to album, and didn't have such cohesive narrative.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 29 August 2005 21:23 (eighteen years ago) link

The very thought that "Trapped In The Closet" has cultural or artistic significance makes me very, very, very depressed.

(xpost: I didn't even watch the VMAs but that doesn't change the point that being snotty about other people's television habits is a rhetoric technique that most people should really grow out of after they leave high school.)

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Monday, 29 August 2005 21:25 (eighteen years ago) link

MTV's been downhill since they cancelled Charlie Rose! : (

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 29 August 2005 21:26 (eighteen years ago) link

jesus you'd think R had reinvented the wheel rather than just made a mediocre --at best-- long rnb soap opera.

― oops (Oops), Monday, 29 August 2005 21:34 (eighteen years ago) link

wether it was ridiculous or brilliant, i don't think one can deny kels' performance was pretty intense and one of the most bizarre thing ever done at such a pop/mass media event (and by an artist amongst the biggest sellers of the last decade).

― AleXTC (AleXTC), Monday, 29 August 2005 21:36 (eighteen years ago) link

Whatever oops, life is way more fun when you get excited about Trapped in the Closet! It's bonzo bonkers! Life is short, play hard! Just do it! etc etc....

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 29 August 2005 21:49 (eighteen years ago) link

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RETCONNED

― adam (adam), Sunday, 23 October 2005 13:27 (eighteen years ago) link

http://djlioness.blogspot.com/2005/10/anyone-remember-this.html

hold tight lioness on this one

― bobbi (bobbi), Monday, 24 October 2005 19:29 (eighteen years ago) link

CAN A NIGGER GET AN MP3???

― Jimmy Mod wants you to tighten the strings on your corset (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Monday, 24 October 2005 19:31 (eighteen years ago) link

The guy playing the cop is the guy who plays Omar on The Wire!

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 18:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Man, I saw the MTV performance of Chapter 6 and I can't believe anyone took this seriously. It was hilariously badly written and performed. "He said this, then she said that, then this other guy said something" ad nauseum.

"Rufus says Chuck we'll talk about it later
then Cathy says this shit is said
Chuck says Rufus I'm leaving, are you coming?
Cathy says Rufus, then Chuck says Rufus
Rufus looks at Chuck and says: Chuck you know I love you"

Surely this is lame. Maybe it works if it's performed by more than one guy but as a one man performance this was just laughable.

― mms (mms), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 06:52 (eighteen years ago) link

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R. Kelly - "Trapped in the Closet - Chapter 6"