how was vanilla ice portrayed by the media?

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I haven't seen it for too long. I remember him spending the whole film walking like he'd shat himself, though.

― noodle vague (noodle vague), Sunday, 12 September 2004 17:43 (nineteen years ago) link

he also drives his motorcycle through the wall of a house. while not wearing a helmet.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 12 September 2004 18:01 (nineteen years ago) link

"looky looky looky in Kat's black booky phbbt phbbt phbbt"

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 12 September 2004 18:02 (nineteen years ago) link

his autobiography (or memoirs) was called "to the extreme" right?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 12 September 2004 18:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Not "To The Extreme Right"?

― Alba (Alba), Sunday, 12 September 2004 18:10 (nineteen years ago) link

DAMN YALL

― PETER $.., Sunday, 12 September 2004 18:12 (nineteen years ago) link

"called to the extreme"

― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 12 September 2004 18:12 (nineteen years ago) link

impt question -- how much of the "he's not even hip-hop" thing came from people who *don't like hip-hop*? i've noted that the first to denounce "sellouts" are often the least familiar, and often the most concerned with hip-hop incursion onto their own territory -- in this case "white ppl. music".
i.e. "he's not even hip-hop" = stay in your place.

I see what yr getting at here but I'm fairly certain most hip-hop fans weren't feeling him. They may have liked the single, at least when it first came out, but there was probably some resentment at this wack, lying white boy coming out of nowhere and making more money than any black rapper up to this time, except for maybe hammer.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Sunday, 12 September 2004 18:19 (nineteen years ago) link

malibu's most wanted was one of the most honestly disgusting things i've ever seen on hbo. it ws after the chris rock spcl ("boy, how'd'you know 'octagon?!'") and it could be an acceptable movie if the white boy/son of a presidential candidate doesn't succeed at becoming a real nigga in his environment AS WELL AS mc the presidential innauguration or whatever happens in the closing scene. PLUS he gets the black girl. sick.
this obv didnt happen for ice.

― peter $,,, Sunday, 12 September 2004 18:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Ice's behind the music is my favorite one ever

― Symplistic (shmuel), Sunday, 12 September 2004 18:35 (nineteen years ago) link

I can't watch him on TV now. Dude's got some understandable anger issues (and some incomprehensbile ones too). Also I've never forgiven him for using the phrase "I'd like my grandma's asshole for a million dollars. Anybody would." to explain some of the clothes his handlers made him wear.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 12 September 2004 18:53 (nineteen years ago) link

lick not like.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 12 September 2004 18:53 (nineteen years ago) link

"V-Ice was a breakdancer. He was respected as far as that goes..."

I think we all know who schooled him in that department:

http://www.ninjaturtles.com/oozepix/ooze26.jpg

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 12 September 2004 19:27 (nineteen years ago) link

ice name-checks his dj as 'deshay' (or something similar) in 'ice ice baby'.. did he actually have a dj backing him or was this just for word-play?

― chris andrews (fraew), Sunday, 12 September 2004 21:14 (nineteen years ago) link

wait you were actually offended by "Malibu"!? splain!

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Sunday, 12 September 2004 21:27 (nineteen years ago) link

his autobiography (or memoirs) was called "to the extreme" right?

-- s1ocki (slytus...), September 12th, 2004.
it was called "ice by ice".

― mason butler, Monday, 13 September 2004 02:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Breakdancers were pretty much ostracised by the hip hop community as soon as there were Today show segments and cheesy Hollywood movies about them. It wasn't until relatively recently that it regained it's place in hip hop.

― oops (Oops), Monday, 13 September 2004 06:12 (nineteen years ago) link

What it's like...Havin' a RONI.

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Monday, 13 September 2004 06:16 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, I think you could almost say that performance dancing (for music artists) in general went out of vogue for a very good stretch of time from around that point on. Unless you care to count moshing, hopping and flailing as dancing.

― Kim (Kim), Monday, 13 September 2004 06:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah but I don't think the Iceman's success had anything to do with the demise of breakdancing. In fact, I've never even considered what he and Mr. Hammer did to be breaking, and I doubt hippityhoppers did either.

― oops (Oops), Monday, 13 September 2004 06:30 (nineteen years ago) link

YO! It’s the green machine -- Gonna rock the town without bein’ seen
Have you ever seen a turtle Get Down? -- Slammin’ Jammin’ to the new swing sound
Yeah, everybody let’s move -- Vanilla is here with the new Jack Groove
Gonna rock, and roll this place -- With the power of the ninja turtle bass
Iceman, ya know I’m not playin’ -- Devistate the show while the turtles are sayin:
Ninja, Ninja, RAP! Ninja, Ninja, RAP!
GO GO GO
Go Ninja, Go Ninja, GO; Go Ninja, Go ninja, GO!
Go Ninja, Go Ninja. GO; Go Ninja, Go ninja, GO!
GO GO GO GO

Lyrics, fill in the gap -- Drop that bass and get the NINJA RAP
Feel it, if you know what I mean -- Give it up for those heroes in green
Just flowin, smooth with the power -- Kickin’ it up, hour after hour
Cause in this life there’s only one winner -- You better aim good so you can hit the center
In it to win it, with a team of four -- Ninja Turtles that you gotta adore it’s the:

Ninja, Ninja, RAP! Ninja, Ninja, RAP!
GO GO GO
Go Ninja, Go Ninja, GO; Go Ninja, Go ninja, GO!
Go Ninja, Go Ninja. GO; Go Ninja, Go ninja, GO!
GO GO GO GO

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 13 September 2004 07:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I recall most of the rock press (who were late to know he existed) doing the knee-jerk "He's a phony" thing, notably that stupid Village Voice piece (was it by Rob Tannenbaum?). And that's still the knee-jerk line (see David Toop in the later editions of Rap Attack). However, when the time came to review 3rd Bass's "Pop Goes the Weasel," the many readers of Radio On were treated to these spiritied defenses of Vanilla Ice. Greil Marcus: "These guys are creeps, making a whole career out of being holier than thou. I'll take Vanilla Ice any day (he has a much better name, no one can argue with that)." Chuck Eddy: "Well, they're obviously morons. Vanilla Ice is obviously a greater artist. Anti-sellout rock has been a sham since the days of 'So You Want To Be A Rock 'N' Roll Star." Scott Woods: "'Ice Ice Baby' is a great single, and Vanilla Ice is (was?) more interesting than they'll ever be (to listen to, to read about)." This turned the critical tide internationally, and now everyone respects Vanilla Ice.

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 13 September 2004 21:26 (nineteen years ago) link

what do you call it when your foot goes up your ass after you overcompensate for a knee jerk response?

― oops (Oops), Monday, 13 September 2004 21:44 (nineteen years ago) link

"ILX0R"

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 13 September 2004 21:45 (nineteen years ago) link

you beat me to my own punchline.

― oops (Oops), Monday, 13 September 2004 21:46 (nineteen years ago) link

"Ice Ice Baby" initially came out on a tiny indie label (Ultrax or something like that) before SBK or whatever that label was picked it up (and, if I remember right, remixed it.) I first heard it on a rap station in Detroit, not a pop station; I thought it was great -- it reminded me of NWA, sort of, only catchier. I bought the Ultrax 12-inch (which, stupidly, I later wound up selling) in a Detroit store specializing in rap records. I remember a few months later, seeing the CD box in the store, and being completely shocked that Vanilla Ice was white. It had never even occurred to me, because there was nothing especially white about the *sound* of "Ice Ice Baby" (beyond the "Under Pressure" sample, of course, but then lots of black rappers sample white rock songs, so that was nothing to go on.) Anyway, after that, the record exploded, of course. And then (ONLY then) the backlash happened. But "Ice Ice Baby" is still a great record. And 3rd Bass never did anything anywhere near as good.

― chuck, Monday, 13 September 2004 22:32 (nineteen years ago) link

You were right up until the point you dissed 3rd Bass, chuck.

So you get the Gas Face.

― noodle vague (noodle vague), Monday, 13 September 2004 22:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Which NWA song does "Ice Ice Baby" sound like?

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 13 September 2004 22:36 (nineteen years ago) link

chuck do you also have a spirited defense of Milli Vanilli somewhere?

― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 13 September 2004 22:37 (nineteen years ago) link

I think it reminded me of "Gangsta Gangsta" -- I'm not saying it *sounded* like that song, exactly, though; I think it must have been stuff like the "Shay with the gague and Vanilla with the nine" and "gunshots rang out like a bell" lines; he was using this cool braggy violent stuff as hooks, sort of like how NWA (and not a lot of other rappers on the radio up to that point) had. (So maybe I just mean he sounded more like NWA than like Schoolly D!)

Shakey, you should read Phil Dellio's mathematical proof of Milli Vanilli being better than Bob Dylan. It's better than anything I could write about them. (Though I do think they were okay. I confused them with Bobby Brown at first. And Frank Farian was a genius; he had already proved that with Boney M.)

― chuck, Monday, 13 September 2004 22:43 (nineteen years ago) link

how about Pat Boone?

― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 13 September 2004 22:45 (nineteen years ago) link

or Al Jolson?

― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 13 September 2004 22:47 (nineteen years ago) link

or the ICY HOTT STUNTAZ!

― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 13 September 2004 22:48 (nineteen years ago) link

or a similarly incomprehensibly bad one-hit wonder from the same era, Mr. Rico Suave, Gerardo!

I eagerly await your critical contortions.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 13 September 2004 22:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, Al Jolson was pretty important. (Even ask Jerry Lee Lewis.)

"Rico Suave" did not blow me away, though.

― chuck, Monday, 13 September 2004 22:51 (nineteen years ago) link

it blew me away though. out of the fucking water. to this day i've yet to recover.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 13 September 2004 22:54 (nineteen years ago) link

I didn't ask if he was "important" chuck (all sorts of worthless people are "important"), I asked if you could provide a spirited defense of his career a la your weird inversion of the traditional Vanilla Ice narrative (ie, he had real "cred" and you can prove it cuz you were "down" with him before anyone else was).

― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 13 September 2004 22:55 (nineteen years ago) link

meaning that in your version of events, Ice started out as a "real" rapper with legitimate hip-hop credentials and (most importantly) you knew about it, ergo, both you and Ice are actually cool and everyone else is just a bunch of haterzzzz

― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 13 September 2004 23:00 (nineteen years ago) link

tho all of that is beside the point when considering that the song "Ice Ice Baby" itself is terribly flaccid and dull, regardless of Vanilla Ice's persona/media image. It doesn't have any of the bite or explosiveness of NWA (no sirens, gunshots, yelling, etc.), and the rapping is pedestrian in every sense of the word. No inventive slang, no real lyrical hook, no surprises.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 13 September 2004 23:04 (nineteen years ago) link

OK I don't understand this at all. Obviously saying Vanilla Ice sucks cuz he's "phony" is a poorly-argued point on 3rd Bass' part but the fucking big tymers have songs that are ridiculously mysogynistic and it doesn't make their music worthless. Stelfox was right in the other thread, people take this rockism-is-worse-than-(sexism/racism/fascism/whatever) in music thing way too far. "Reverse rockism" or whatever. I think it is entirely reasonable to say you dislike Vanilla Ice, and not only that I think this attempt to paint most hip-hop fans as actually having been RECEPTIVE of his music is deceptive.

I'd MUCH rather hear 3rd Bass than "Ice Ice Baby," and part of it is an issue of exposure, but it's also the fact that 3rd Bass released some great fucking music - fucking triple layers of darkness and the Gas face. I'm not arguing Ice was wack cuz he was popular, I'm arguing that the song just plain isn't that great.

xpost Shakey OTM

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Monday, 13 September 2004 23:11 (nineteen years ago) link

I mean, it sounds like you guys are arguing that hip-hop fans enjoyed "Ice Ice Baby" and I'm wondering why you would argue it because 1st I don't think its true and 2nd its a "cred" argument in and of itself! If white suburban teen girls liked it (they did) then they liked it - obviously that doesn't make it bad (I just dislike it cuz I find it to be a snoozefest).

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Monday, 13 September 2004 23:13 (nineteen years ago) link

chuck, defend "havin' a roni", please! (even if you don't believe what you say)

― oops (Oops), Monday, 13 September 2004 23:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Uh, wha? Chuck said that he heard it on a rap station and that it sounded a bit like N.W.A. to him; neither of these points give Vannila Ice "legitimate hip-hop credentials", and nowhere does he state that they do.

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Monday, 13 September 2004 23:48 (nineteen years ago) link

I mean, like Chuck Eddy *ever* cares about *anyone's* "legitimate credentials" in any particular sub-culture or genre? (this is not a value judgement)

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Monday, 13 September 2004 23:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Perhaps when chuck suggested that only after V-Ice blew up was there a backlash, shakey got the impression that chuck was saying that hip-hop fans didn't hate it, it was this broader intelligentsia proclaiming themselves to be "down" that REALLY disliked it because it didn't fit into their authentic opinions.

I disagree with this idea myself, whether or not its what Chuck intended....I think that the hip-hop world, (and I don't mean "heads," I mean "the people" who listened predominantly to hip-hop,) largely resented him for blowing up, especially since he sold SO MANY copies, another example of whites benifiting from black musical developments etc.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm just saying I think there was a lot of (partly justified) resentment there. I mean the song is fucking awful. Bargain bin gangsta imitations, boring vocal style...the beat is a cool one-track-jack and that + Vanilla's whiteness = big hit.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 00:02 (nineteen years ago) link

3rd Bass are infinitely worse than Vanilla Ice, because without Vanilla Ice and MC Hammer to pick on, nobody would have ever cared about them beyond "The Gas Face". And as one-hit wonders - or at least then one-hit wonders, Tribe obviously had other hits later - is no "El Segundo" or "Doowutchyalike"/"Humpty Dance". 3rd Bass singing "You stole somebody's record then you looped it, you looped it!" over "Sledgehammer" (in judgement of Vanilla Ice or MC Hammer or both) was so mind-bogglingly stupid, it made me start hating pop music. A portrait of the artist as a hood? No fucking shit.

― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 01:39 (nineteen years ago) link

am I mistaken or didn't he initially DENY that he had sampled Under Pressure?
yay! I get to share one of my favorite quotes for the 80th time on ILX.
"see their song goes dee-dee-dee-diggy-dee-dee dee-dee-dee-diggy-dee-dee. Ours goes dee-dee-dee-diggy-diggy-dee-dee DEE-dee-dee-dee-diggy-dee-dee. It's totally different."

-- manthony m1cc1o (anthonyisrigh...), September 12th, 2004.

aw, man! i totally wanted to post that!

― ken taylrr (ken taylrr), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 02:06 (nineteen years ago) link

This song came out when I was in junior high and I loved it. I didn't hear Under Pressure until around nine years later. Then I got overexposed to it, like everyone else and it started grating. The worst thing about "Ice Ice Baby" to me is that every fuckin' twenty to thirtyfour year old can recite the lyrics off the top of their head, but they all still act like they're fucking brilliant for remembering this pop culture masterwork. Yo, dipshit: you wanna impress? Start spittin' "We Didn't Start the Fire".

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 03:25 (nineteen years ago) link

every fuckin' twenty to thirtyfour year old can recite the lyrics off the top of their head

Indeed?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 03:26 (nineteen years ago) link

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W.T.F. (Wisdom, Tenacity and Focus), also known as W.T.F. or just WTF, is the sixth and, to date, most recent studio album by American rapper Robert Van Winkle, known as Vanilla Ice. Originally scheduled for a 2009 release, it was officially released as a digital download on August 30, 2011, through Radium Records, executive produced by Vanilla Ice, Nick DeTomaso and Mark Mehwald.

― stank viola (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 4 October 2022 00:57 (one year ago) link

he could have been bob van winkle. but instead, he became vanilla ice

― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 4 October 2022 01:20 (one year ago) link

“yo, Bloodhound Gang and Rob Van Winkle, together on this track”

― Vance Vance Devolution (sic), Tuesday, 4 October 2022 04:30 (one year ago) link

"Rob Van Winkle in the conference room!"

― stank viola (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 4 October 2022 04:38 (one year ago) link

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― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 4 October 2022 04:47 (one year ago) link

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