Sacred cows from the dance canon that are now irrelevant

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...Although I'll happily admit that some of the R&B tracks on Lickin' On Both Sides are quite underrated, especially "You're Gonna Stay".

Those moist ballads on Eye Candy really grew on me after a while as well. Check the harmonies on "Home Tonight"!

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 8 December 2003 02:19 (twenty years ago) link

most techno I own is pretty damn wack in hindsight, but actual dance music certainly is never relevant.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 8 December 2003 02:19 (twenty years ago) link

never IRrelevant. Goddamnit Anthony, proofread!

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 8 December 2003 02:20 (twenty years ago) link

From Mixmag 1996:

Alison limerick - Where love lives
Joey beltram - Energy flash
Ce ce rogers - Someday
Josh wink - Higher state of conciousness
Eric b & rakim - Paid in full
Underworld - Cowgirl/rez
Mariah carey - Dreamlover
Future sound of london - Papua new guinea
Joe smooth - Promised land
Massive attack - Unfinished sympathy
Orbital - Chime
Donna summer - I feel love
Nightwriters - Let the music use you
Fpi project - Everybody(all over the world)
Jaydee - Plastic dreams
X-press 2-london - X-press(the journey continues)
Rhythim is rhythim - Strings of life
Jam & spoon - Stella
Mr fingers - Can you feel it
Inner city - Good life
Everything but the gir l - Missing
Gat decor -passion
Leftfield/lydon -Open up
Bizarre inc -Playing with knives
Dsk - What would we do
Hardfloor - Hardtrance acperience
Dj misjah & dj tim - Access
Stone roses - Fools gold
Itj bukem - Horizons
Dave clarke - Red 2(of 3)
Phuture - Acid trax
Funky green dogsfrom outer space reach for me
Sabres of paradise - Smokebelch 2
K-klass - Rhythm is a mystery
Moby - Go!
Urban soul - Alright
Age of love - Age of love
Candi staton - You got the love
Frankie knuckles/jamie principle - Your love
Aphex twin - Digeridoo
Goodmen - Give it up
Baby d - Let me be your fantasy
Circuit - Shelter me
Jam & spoon - Follow me
Bassheads - Is there anybody out there?
A guy called gerald - Voodoo ray
Billie ray martin - Your loving arms
Ron trent - Altered states
Brothers in rhythm -Such a good feeling
Empirion - Narcotic influence
Sl2 - Djs take control
De'lacy - Hideaway
Lil' louis - French kiss
Degrees of motion - Do you want it right now?
Sueno latino -Sueno latino
Ravesignal 3 - Horsepower
Last rhythm - Last rhythm
Shades of rhythm - The sound of eden
Slam - Positive education
Bucketheads - The bomb!
Lionrock - Packet of peace
Inner city - Pennies from heaven
Glam - Hell's party
Hashim - Al naafyish(the soul)
South street player - (Who)keeps changing your mind?
Marshall jefferson - Move your body(house music anthem)
Kariya - Let me love you for tonight
Subliminal cuts - Le voie le soleil
Mantronix - King of the beats
River ocean - Love and happiness
Urban shakedown - Some justice
Nghtcrawlers - Push the feeling on
M people - How can i love you more?
808 state - Pacific state
Capricorn - 20 hz
Lfo - Lfo
Leftfield - Not forgotten
Dee patten - Who's the badman?
Dan hartman - Relight my fire
Frankie knuckles - The whistle song
Outlander - Vamp
Ruffneck - Everybody be somebody
Red planet - Stardancer
Nitro deluxe - This brutal house
Sterling void - It's alright/runaway girl
The prodigy - Out of space
Soul 2 soul - Keep on movin'
Liquid - Sweet harmony
Stetsasonic - Talkin' all that jazz
Disco evangelists - De niro
Grace - Not over yet
Young mc - Know how
Robin s - Show me love
Rhythm on the loose - Break of dawn
Cool jack - Just come
D:ream - U r the best thing
Robert owens - I'll be your friend
Felix - Don't you want me?
A homeboy,a hippie and a funki dread - Total confusion
Jesus loves you - Generations of love

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 8 December 2003 02:20 (twenty years ago) link

Are there any true sacred cows out side of Detroit electonic dance music? They were surely the ultimate sacred cow in dance music?

colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Monday, 8 December 2003 02:20 (twenty years ago) link

"Inner City Life" still has some of the greatest stereo/surround effects ever recorded regardless of genre.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 8 December 2003 02:21 (twenty years ago) link

Thanks Alex!

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Monday, 8 December 2003 02:22 (twenty years ago) link

im a teenager and "strings of life" roxx u all hate samba magic is otm

Chupa-Cabras (vicc13), Monday, 8 December 2003 02:22 (twenty years ago) link

There are sacred cows other than Detroit. Bleep and bass, hardcore, ragga jungle, electro, acid house, etc. . .

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 8 December 2003 02:22 (twenty years ago) link

If someone starts arguing that LFO is irrelevant though grrrrr

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 8 December 2003 02:23 (twenty years ago) link

Muzik doesn't seem to have a list other than that lame album one that had DJ Shadow at number one, Tom.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 8 December 2003 02:24 (twenty years ago) link

Really? They were going to do one of course for the 100th issue and then went bust with #99 :(

I'm sure I remember one though, maybe it was in something else entirely.

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Monday, 8 December 2003 02:25 (twenty years ago) link

i think the thing with a lot of drum n bass and 2-step stuff is that it was lauded for its production techniques, rather than whether it actually moved you, physically or emotionally. maybe that's not right...as i write, i start to feel less sure about that.

paulhw (paulhw), Monday, 8 December 2003 02:25 (twenty years ago) link

Oh wait Muzik did do this 50 most influential trax of all time, but a lot of it isn't dance:

The Beatles “Tomorrow Never Knows” (EMI 1966)(Revolver L.P.)
James Brown “Funky Drummer” (King 1969)(7”)
Marvin Gaye “What’s Going On” (Motown 1970)(L.P.)
Incredible Bongo Band “Apache” (MGM 1973)(Bongo Rock L.P.)
Augustus Pablo “King Tubby Meets the Rockers Uptown” (Island 1976)(7”)
Double Exposure “Ten Per Cent” (Salsoul 1976)(12”)
Donna Summer “I Feel Love” (Casablanca 1977)(12”)
Kraftwerk “Trans Europe Express” (EMI 1977)(King Klang L.P.)
Grandmaster Flash “Adventure On the Wheels of Steel” (Sugarhill 1981)(12”)
Afrika Bambaataa “Planet Rock” (Tommy Boy 1982)(12”)
New Order “Blue Monday” (Factory 1983)(12”)
Streetsounds Electro “Volumes One - Eight” (Streetsounds Compilations 1983-5)(12”)
Double D & Steinski “Lesson Three” (Tommy Boy 1985)(12” promo)
Mr Fingers “Can You Feel it” (Trax 1987)(12”)
Phuture “Acid Tracks” (Trax 1987)(12”)
Techno “The House Sound of Detroit” (Ten Compilations 1988)(12”)
Public Enemy “It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back” (Def Jam 1989)(L.P.)
A Guy Called Gerald “Voodoo Ray” (Rham 1988)(12”)
Rhythim is Rhythim “Strings of Life” (Transmat/Jack Trax 1988)(12”)
De La Soul “Three Feet High & Rising” (Tommy Boy 1989)(L.P.)
Lil’ Louis “French Kiss” (FFRR 1989)(12”)
Soul II Soul “Club Classics” (Virgin 1989)(L.P.)
808 State “Pacific State” (ZTT 1989)(12”)
Primal Scream “Loaded” (Creation 1990)(12”)
The KLF “Chill Out” (KLF Communications 1990)(L.P.)
Massive Attack “Blue Lines” (Virgin 1991)(L.P.)
Joey Beltram “Energy Flash” (R&S 1991)(12”)
Leftfield “Not Forgotten (Hard Hands mix)” (Outer Rhythm 1991)(12”)
Lennie De Ice “We Are I.E.” (Reel 2 Real 1991)(12”)
The Prodigy "Charly" (XL 1991)(12")
The Future Sound of London “Papua New Guinea” (Jumpin’ & Pumpin’ 1991)(12”)
The Aphex Twin “Digeridoo” (R&S 1992)(12”)
Gat Decor “Passion” (Effective 1992)(12”)
Jam & Spoon “Stella” (R&S 1992)(12”)
Hardfloor “Hardtrance Acperience” (Harthouse 1992)(12”)
DJ Shadow “In/Flux” (Mo’Wax 1993)(12”)
L.T.J. Bukem “Music” (Good Looking 1993)(12”)
Marmion “Schöneberg” (Superstation 1994)(12”)
Dave Clarke “Red 2” (Bush 1994)(12”)
Dust Brothers “Chemical Beats” (Junior Boy’s Own 1994)(12”)
Goldie “Inner City Life” (FFRR 1994)(12”)
Robert Hood “Minimal Nation” (M-Plant 1993)(12”)
Basic Channel “Phylyps Trak II” (Basic Channel 1995)(12”)
DJ Trace “Mutant Revisited” (SOUR 1995)(12”)
Fatboy Slim “Everybody Needs a 303” (Skint 1995)(12”)
D’Angelo “Brown Sugar” (Chrysalis 1995)(12”)
Misjah & Time “Access” (X-Trax 1995)(12”)
Double 99 “Rip Groove” (Northwestside 1997)(12”)
Tina Moore “Never Gonna Let You Go” (Delirious 1997)(12”)
Stardust “Music Sounds Better With You” (Roulé 1998)(12”)

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 8 December 2003 02:26 (twenty years ago) link

i think Pulp Fiction still sounds great but i always preferred that Hidden Agenda track "the wedge" which mined the same vein but was much tighter and fiercer.

jed (jed_e_3), Monday, 8 December 2003 02:26 (twenty years ago) link

i like that list!! the muzik list seems a little heavy on last year's progressive house anthems.

vahid (vahid), Monday, 8 December 2003 02:28 (twenty years ago) link

whoops i mean the mixmag list seems heavy on progressive house anthems.

vahid (vahid), Monday, 8 December 2003 02:29 (twenty years ago) link

Yes, designed by a comittee, but not bad. No Underground Resistance seems a bit odd maybe. And I don't know about you lot, but I could lose the Stardust track.

colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Monday, 8 December 2003 02:33 (twenty years ago) link

I think time has proved them dead right on the Stardust track - certainly filter-disco has replaced handbag as the high street dance subgenre of choice.

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Monday, 8 December 2003 02:35 (twenty years ago) link

Future sound of london - Papua new guinea

This should have been top of my list...

X-press 2-london - X-press(the journey continues)
Jam & spoon - Stella
Leftfield/lydon -Open up
Itj bukem - Horizons
Funky green dogsfrom outer space reach for me
Sabres of paradise - Smokebelch 2
K-klass - Rhythm is a mystery
Moby - Go!
Goodmen - Give it up
Lionrock - Packet of peace
Felix - Don't you want me

All of those are fairly weak, but agree, not neccessarily all that canonical.

Jacob (Jacob), Monday, 8 December 2003 02:35 (twenty years ago) link

"Papua New Guinea" stands up as a gorgeous pop record, whether it would work on a dancefloor (or in a chill out room) these days I neither know nor care.

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Monday, 8 December 2003 02:36 (twenty years ago) link

man if anything in this thread sounds dated its gotta be 808 State...

geeg, Monday, 8 December 2003 02:37 (twenty years ago) link

colin, i'm guessing you don't own a copy of "my house in montmartre" (you need one, yes you do).

certainly filter-disco has replaced handbag as the high street dance subgenre of choice

i don't know how to say this in a way that doesn't sound like i'm totally dissing you - believe me, i'm not! - but i'll never ever ever understand the british habit of using neighborhoods to diss music.

vahid (vahid), Monday, 8 December 2003 02:38 (twenty years ago) link

Unit Moebius, Air Liquide

Black Dog Productions?

Bola?

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 8 December 2003 02:38 (twenty years ago) link

It wasn't a diss Vahid!

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Monday, 8 December 2003 02:39 (twenty years ago) link

i mean WHO CARES if broken beat is popular in west london??? i live like 10000 light years away from london!!

air liquide OTM but what canon were they in? bola was never good!

vahid (vahid), Monday, 8 December 2003 02:39 (twenty years ago) link

strings of life still gets a huge reaction from people who go out clubbing in ireland,many of whom are teenagers
this is more to do with the fact that its on live at the liquid room than any reverence for detroit
i think energy flash is still amazing but when i first heard it (about two years ago) i couldn't get over how awful the cheesy breathy voice saying ecstasy was...

robin (robin), Monday, 8 December 2003 02:39 (twenty years ago) link

Black Dog!!?

never! i still listen to spanners and bytes often and still love them both. especially spanners.

jed (jed_e_3), Monday, 8 December 2003 02:40 (twenty years ago) link

tom: oh, ok then. sorry!

vahid (vahid), Monday, 8 December 2003 02:40 (twenty years ago) link

NJo Vahid, I haven't - but I will, thanks.

A thousand times yes to Tracer's Unit Moebius. Nice one, Mr Hand!

That 808 track is dated, but was influential in the UK.

colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Monday, 8 December 2003 02:40 (twenty years ago) link

I just meant that in the mid-90s if you were in high street shops (or maybe even clubs) the dance music you were most likely to hear was handbaggy stuff like Livin Joy, and then by 2000 it was all Modjo etc., and Stardust was the pivotal record I reckon.

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Monday, 8 December 2003 02:41 (twenty years ago) link

I've got a friend who was recently talkin about how ALL old plasticman sounds like shit now....i don't know if i fully believe...but I could be persuaded

geeg, Monday, 8 December 2003 02:42 (twenty years ago) link

Old Plasticman sounds better than new Plasticman.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 8 December 2003 02:43 (twenty years ago) link

i think of all the detroit producers the one who aged worse was kevin saunderson
i mean,good life is a laugh and all,but it sounds much more dated than,say,i feel love,which i thought was late nineties hard techno with the vocals from i feel love (which i had heard of but not heard)when i first heard it...

robin (robin), Monday, 8 December 2003 02:43 (twenty years ago) link

true dat

geeg, Monday, 8 December 2003 02:43 (twenty years ago) link

music sounds better with you is genius! and i'm glad someone else stuck up for pulp fiction, too.

disco ... (disco stu), Monday, 8 December 2003 02:45 (twenty years ago) link

minus orange/orange minus are still fucking amazing records,even though several djs around dublin have played them to death

robin (robin), Monday, 8 December 2003 02:47 (twenty years ago) link

i can say that i never understood why slam is so popular. "positive education" blah. "dark forces" is a nice enough track but there really are a million ways to do thug-bass minimal tracks and a million producers doing them. their mixes have some good tracks but lots of boring stuff, too.

vahid (vahid), Monday, 8 December 2003 02:49 (twenty years ago) link

positive education came out in '95 though!

disco stu (disco stu), Monday, 8 December 2003 02:51 (twenty years ago) link

hmmm. so what did positive education do in '95 that other tracks hadn't done before? (i was listening to plaid and d+b in '95, not house, so you'll have to help me here)

vahid (vahid), Monday, 8 December 2003 02:53 (twenty years ago) link

I wonder how many people would be talking about ragga-jungle if this question was asked, say, two years ago?

(okay, I haven't heard a lot of the first list, but things that jump out at me - haha stone roses, + I'm wondering how relevant "unfinished sympathy" is (can't decide whether mezzanine was ahead or behind the times))

(underworld/prodigy - relevant to lots of rock bands in the late 90s, right? & I could never ever figure where underworld slotted in to the dance scene, ever)

etc, Monday, 8 December 2003 03:06 (twenty years ago) link

positive education wasn't utterly groundbreaking at the time although it was/is a nice amalgam of late night house and trance (some of the remixes especially). i was reacting to your "million producers" comment, vahid...

disco stu (disco stu), Monday, 8 December 2003 03:06 (twenty years ago) link

ie. 1995 is pre mp3 / laptop dance music

disco stu (disco stu), Monday, 8 December 2003 03:08 (twenty years ago) link

"there really are a million ways to do thug-bass minimal tracks and a million producers doing them" is a defense against irrelevance surely!

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 8 December 2003 03:12 (twenty years ago) link

Even within the "dance" genre, music that doesn't also work outside the dancefloor doesn't have much musical value at all.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 8 December 2003 03:13 (twenty years ago) link

Like Flashdance!

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 8 December 2003 03:15 (twenty years ago) link

Jennifer Beals worked REALLY hard as a welder, too (unless she had a welding-double. . .)

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 8 December 2003 03:18 (twenty years ago) link

maybe it is tracer, but the argument could definitely be made from the other direction.

disco stu (disco stu), Monday, 8 December 2003 03:19 (twenty years ago) link

i think of all the detroit producers the one who aged worse was kevin saunderson
i mean,good life is a laugh and all,but it sounds much more dated than,say,i feel love,which i thought was late nineties hard techno with the vocals from i feel love (which i had heard of but not heard)when i first heard it...
-- robin (robin_lace...) (webmail), December 8th, 2003. (robin)


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Ah, Robin, you could be right, but when I want to get a party started it's 'Good Life' and 'Bounce Your Body To The Box' that do it every time, guaranteed.

colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Monday, 8 December 2003 03:30 (twenty years ago) link

"I Feel Love" is also one of the most timelessly cool sounding songs ever. It seems sort of unfair to use it as yardstick to me.

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