The Frogs. (Edit -- Dennis Flemion RIP)

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Sorry dude. Hope you brought napkins.

Yoo Doo Nut (donut), Saturday, 18 March 2006 19:47 (eighteen years ago) link

And not only that, it leads to a new Frogs webpage at long last!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 18 March 2006 20:38 (eighteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
I've been listening to nothing but my $10 Frogs-burnt bootleg of It's Only Right and Natural in the car for the last two weeks now, and I'm pumped! They play again in Milwaukee at the Cactus Club next Saturday the 22nd-- be there or be cool somewhere else. I'll probably be wearing my "Knowing Is Half The Battle" T-shirt to the show, if anyone else here makes it and wants to say hi.

Chris Freiberg (Chris F.), Friday, 14 April 2006 02:29 (eighteen years ago) link

six months pass...
I love life. I am listening to the Frogs from a rehearsal tape they did for a show opening up for the Smashing Pumpkins in 1997...doing Smashing Pumpkins songs, very much in their style.

"Who is righteous
What is bold...
Because I'm BALD!"

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 3 November 2006 06:06 (seventeen years ago) link

The tracklist, BTW:

01 Cherub Rock

02 Rhinoceros/Hey Joe

03 Disarm/Gylcerine

04 I Am One/Immigrant Song/L.A. Woman/Fame/Pets

05 Luna/Jane Says

06 Silverfuck/Violet/Smells Like Teen Spirit/Today/Baba O'Riley/Yer Blues

07 (Cobain's Killer -> Courtney)

08 Sleep On The Street

09 Raped/Weird On the Avenue

10 The Longing Goes Away

11 Fuck Off

12 Whisper

13 Bad Daddy

14 Adam & Steve (with Steve Albini references)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 3 November 2006 06:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Are they selling this on their site? Please say yes

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Friday, 3 November 2006 09:39 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't think so...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 3 November 2006 13:35 (seventeen years ago) link

Gaaahh... I'll be patient, they seem to sell every other utterance they've uttered on there

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Friday, 3 November 2006 14:02 (seventeen years ago) link

the frogs were the biggest assholes i ever met.

M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 3 November 2006 18:57 (seventeen years ago) link

and this surprised you?

Marmot (marmotwolof), Friday, 3 November 2006 22:20 (seventeen years ago) link

um, not really, although i was a little surprised when the shorter dude was doing yoga stretches in nothing but his black brief underwear backstage and then asked me an a bandmate to leave the area (which was for all the bands) because he was "trying to get in the zone"

M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 3 November 2006 22:55 (seventeen years ago) link

You kinda have to see the Frogs first, especially with a weird, semi-hostile audience, before you play with them on a bill. You get a lot of perspective this way... they're very reserved off stage, and they're very much not "Hey! How ya doin? :D" guys at all. A quick walk by the merch booth will give off that vibe in a second.

Not defending assholes being assholes. Just in the Frogs' case, it helps to know a bit about their history.

M@tt, was Dennis mean to you after the yoga thing?

gwynywdd dwnyt fyrwr byychydd gww (donut), Friday, 3 November 2006 23:01 (seventeen years ago) link

i dunno, they just seemed kinda irritated and real short whenever they had to speak to anyone the whole night...we were a little pissed abt. the money too, cuz they gave us $25 out of $900 and we had as many people there as they did. but whatever, it happens. it's not like they punched my mom or something.

...anyway i prolly should just shut up, maybe they are great dudes or something, i just got a sort of assholey "pro" vibe from them, might be an abberation or just me being over-sensitive...carry on!

M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 3 November 2006 23:17 (seventeen years ago) link

well, they've been playing live since 1984, so they are "pro" in that sense... they know exactly what they're doing and how to do it live. Not going to defend any other aspect here other than "some people have off nights or aren't that chummy *shrug*". (The money thing sounds more like a club issue, but I obv. don't know the details there, although I've dealt with money issues at shows before, behind the scenes)

gwynywdd dwnyt fyrwr byychydd gww (donut), Friday, 3 November 2006 23:32 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.prezziesplus.co.uk/lg-crazy-frog-keyring.jpg

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Saturday, 4 November 2006 03:39 (seventeen years ago) link

three years pass...

I just found It's Only Right & Natural on vinyl at my store. Worth getting?

Evan, Friday, 26 March 2010 05:10 (fourteen years ago) link

um , YES!!

Stormy Davis, Friday, 26 March 2010 07:29 (fourteen years ago) link

seriously, grab it before someone else does..

Stormy Davis, Friday, 26 March 2010 07:30 (fourteen years ago) link

Alright, thanks! The store-owner's ignorance is paying off. Its only within 5 - 8 dollars (forget exactly). Unless thats similar to what it goes for online... Its too early I can't remember much.

Evan, Friday, 26 March 2010 13:40 (fourteen years ago) link

You sleazy prostitute!

kingkongvsgodzilla, Friday, 26 March 2010 14:12 (fourteen years ago) link

five months pass...

i only have Hopscotch.. "The Longing Goes Away" sounds like it could have been a huge song really, is it actually deadpan serious?

Kim, Sunday, 5 September 2010 14:47 (thirteen years ago) link

Unprompted, my sister is playing Bananimals. "I'm EVIL Jack!"

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 5 September 2010 16:50 (thirteen years ago) link

My Daughter the Broad rather. It's all good.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 5 September 2010 16:52 (thirteen years ago) link

ten months pass...

WHERE'S JERRY LEWIS
WHEN YOU NEED THE MAN?

one dis leads to another (ian), Wednesday, 20 July 2011 20:11 (twelve years ago) link

La da da da
La da da dee
La da da dum dum

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 20:13 (twelve years ago) link

ten months pass...

wtf this alb is amazn.. i never knew

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7LS_x_px48

billstevejim, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 05:51 (eleven years ago) link

Here comes the watermelon seed up my snoot snout
And that's yr asshole, your snoot snout

Heaven knows I'm thirsty and miserable now (NickB), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 08:05 (eleven years ago) link

one month passes...

What the! Dennis Flemion died over the weekend!

http://www.fox11online.com/dpp/news/wisconsin/divers-continue-their-search-for-missing-swimmer-in-a-racine-county-lake

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 10 July 2012 01:30 (eleven years ago) link

awful news!!

one dis leads to another (ian), Tuesday, 10 July 2012 01:40 (eleven years ago) link

From Gerard Cosloy:

http://www.matadorrecords.com/matablog/2012/07/09/dennis-flemion/

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 10 July 2012 02:01 (eleven years ago) link

this sucks.

EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 10 July 2012 02:04 (eleven years ago) link

the news, not the frogs.

EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 10 July 2012 02:04 (eleven years ago) link

So I never told this story here but -- upthread I talk about randomly seeing them in San Diego. A few days later I was in Seattle and so donut bitch/Mackro and I went to see them again, part of the same tour. So they get to the "Hot Cock Annie" performance, which of course is the cue for them to invite an audience member onstage to sing the song if they feel so bold. First guy up is drunk as hell and nothing really happens, he just semi sings things and all. Dennis, without a missing a beat (neither did anyone else on stage, just playing along), dares the guy to drop his pants if he's not going to do anything else. So the dude turns to face him and does so. Again, without missing a beat, Dennis turns his head and scrunches up his face/sticks out his tongue in a classic "EURGH!" look, then turns back and says "That looks like something that should be at the county fair!"

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 10 July 2012 02:13 (eleven years ago) link

I emailed Dennis in about 1999 (I THINK it was him and not Jimmy) just to see if he'd write back and he said something like "Write back? Send me $10 and I'll send you a live tape that will make your ass stand on end". I think I was asking them if they were ever going to come to the UK.

Morrissey & Clunes: The Severed Alliance (PaulTMA), Tuesday, 10 July 2012 03:21 (eleven years ago) link

The first time my future wife and I exchanged emails in 2003, she attached an mp3 of 'Hot Cock Annie'.

RIP.

Lewis Apparition (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 10 July 2012 03:32 (eleven years ago) link

I spoke to one of em on the phone once. Never cared for the records.

Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 10 July 2012 04:18 (eleven years ago) link

or the 'hilarious' gay shtick

Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 10 July 2012 04:18 (eleven years ago) link

wow, terrible news. i've actually been to that lake. RIP dude :(

frogbs, Tuesday, 10 July 2012 05:26 (eleven years ago) link

There was certainly a stretch of my life in the late 1980′s in which you were not leaving my apartment if you hadn’t heard “I’ve Done Drugs (Out Of The Mist)” at least once. I suspect there’s others who have similar stories.

give or take two decades I hear GC loud and clear right here

RIP

if you are a false nine don't entry (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 10 July 2012 07:55 (eleven years ago) link

Fuck RIP Dennis

gonna send him to outer space, to hug another face (NickB), Tuesday, 10 July 2012 08:44 (eleven years ago) link

I'm very sad to hear this news. I've always enjoyed The Frogs a lot since my copy of the Smashing Pumpkins Vieuphoria VHS led me to their twisted genius in my formative years. I was obsessed with their short segment.

only NWOFHM! is real (krakow), Tuesday, 10 July 2012 08:50 (eleven years ago) link

I didn't quite understand what was going on in those three short minutes, but I loved it!

only NWOFHM! is real (krakow), Tuesday, 10 July 2012 09:01 (eleven years ago) link

I am listening to the Frogs from a rehearsal tape they did for a show opening up for the Smashing Pumpkins in 1997...doing Smashing Pumpkins songs, very much in their style.

Is this findable? That sounds incredible.

I saw them only once, at a pretty weird show at that old place The Cooler in the meatpacking district. The Rapture were opening, which made for a pretty oddly mixed crowd in the heady days of 2001 or whatever

Walter Galt, Tuesday, 10 July 2012 09:31 (eleven years ago) link

Now that I think about it, I think maybe Evan Dando came up and played as well. I can't find any record of this show online anywhere. It was really fun.

Walter Galt, Tuesday, 10 July 2012 09:35 (eleven years ago) link

This is terrible news. I never saw them live.

is capybara gay? (Ówen P.), Tuesday, 10 July 2012 11:31 (eleven years ago) link

(Two separate observations, obv., just had no Frogs stories to share)

is capybara gay? (Ówen P.), Tuesday, 10 July 2012 11:31 (eleven years ago) link

http://c438342.r42.cf2.rackcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Frogs-e1341894202532.jpg

I had this promo shot on my wall when I lived in student residences. I feel bad for still not knowing which one Dennis is though.

gonna send him to outer space, to hug another face (NickB), Tuesday, 10 July 2012 11:37 (eleven years ago) link

Dennis is the one on the left. Just look for the drummer, without wings, shorter than the other. He had the raspy/corrupt voice where Jimmy sings with the voice of a perverted cherub.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 10 July 2012 12:43 (eleven years ago) link

^^^^ i had that song stuck in my head today out of nowhere, prolly haven't listened to these dudes in 10 years

oh charming rabbit slut boy
where did you come from
was it england or TOKYO?

sleepingbag, Sunday, 28 January 2018 03:06 (six years ago) link

one year passes...

Abandoned first album coming out soon. The preview song is great, more like the live show than anything on the records I've heard. Jimmy and Evan Dando will do a short tour billed as 'The Frogs". I feel like Dennis would think Dando was a funny enough replacement.
https://onmilwaukee.com/music/articles/the-frogs-1st.html

Mike Dixn, Saturday, 25 January 2020 01:06 (four years ago) link

three weeks pass...

After owning It's Only Right & Natural on LP for 10 years now I can officially say I don't understand the appeal beyond being a silly novelty record. The way people talk about it I always assumed it was supposed to transcend that. I suppose at this point I need it explained to me.

Evan, Monday, 17 February 2020 16:09 (four years ago) link

Hm, well, maybe this'll help? I posted it on FB just now along with some photos I took:

So the other night, I saw the Frogs, or rather the current version -- Jimmy Flemion plus, on about half the tracks either on guitar or drums, Evan Dando. Honestly didn't know what to expect, or even how to feel about them these days, though I'd seen them a couple of times back in the 2000s, wrote a number of AMG reviews, etc. My sis, however, is a massive fan, and I thought, well, why not? Just the other day a thread was revived on ILX wondering if it was all just cheap novelty in the end, and I've been pondering more with time and the years about jokes, their goals, who gets to tell whose story and more. And none of those thoughts have gone away.

Still, I gotta say this -- it was really good. Often great. Jimmy came out with a feathery headpiece for the first song -- a cover of Three Dog Night's "One," which, sung as early video of Jimmy and Dennis played behind him, really did feel poignant in new ways. He switched to a hat for the next song -- Evan joined in at that point -- but otherwise appeared for the rest of the set as is, no wings, head shaven, simply dressed nattily enough. And he was in very fine voice throughout -- years ago I called his approach that of a 'sweetly vile troubadour' and I'll stand by that, positively. But it makes the heartfelt songs when they appear -- and they did -- all that much more so. (Near the end he did a number about Dennis and his death and the damn thing was really lovely.)

The cover choices were especially intriguing -- doing Bowie's "Starman" made perfect sense, there was always something about them that was _Hunky Dory_-into-Ziggy and Jimmy is absolutely no slouch on guitar in that vein, plus T. Rex's "Cat Black (The Wizard's Hat)" and in the encore a stellar "Sometimes It Snows in April" by Prince. Of course, plenty of _It's Only Right and Natural_ cuts and more besides, and I got a clear sense that any number of older gay couples (and I'm guessing singles) in the crowd loved it all without irony. Who can say?

And it's gotta be said -- Dando's aged very well. (My sister was even more vocal on the matter.) He seemed to have a little frustration with his drumkit and I'm not sure if he normally sits out half the show, but he was great when he was onstage and I was mildly surprised when at one point he sang "It's a Shame About Ray" with backing from Jimmy. I've only ever seen the Lemonheads the once, back on a KROQ summer radio fest bill in 1993, but they did that then, and him doing it now was strange but affecting nostalgia I didn't expect.

So anyway, I bring all this up because per a Twitter post by Jake Fogelnest earlier this afternoon -- I'll link it in comments -- there's apparently a Frogs documentary in the works. I'll be especially interested in seeing that.

(Said Tweet:

Hi, Dennis. We spoke after this tweet (which sadly was your last before you passed away). Wanted to let you and everyone know, OF COURSE they're making a documentary about The Frogs. I just filmed my interview. I'm sure you're pissed it's not done and hasn't already won an Oscar. https://t.co/BJazF5xznp

— Jake Fogelnest (@jakefogelnest) February 21, 2020

Etc.)

Ned Raggett, Friday, 21 February 2020 03:02 (four years ago) link

one year passes...

So it turns out there's a new Frogs album as such, which apparently had been in the works for a while

https://thefrogs.hearnow.com/

Hi everyone. The Spiritual album is here.
Damaged Goods / Sinned in Reverse.
Out now! Finally. Our album that has been talked about in interviews & the works for the last 30 years. Today digitally available everywhere.

— Jimmy Flemion (@JimmyFlemion) July 7, 2021

Ned Raggett, Monday, 12 July 2021 21:40 (two years ago) link


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