Billy Joel C/D?

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I like Attila, HS--Do you own that LP?

die9o (dhadis), Thursday, 17 April 2003 16:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

re: costello

i've own all those "great" records he's made and really really tried to like him. really. i tried. i failed.

Maybe BJ can help me out here:

I must be looking for something
Something sacred I lost
But the river is wide
And it's too hard to cross

indeed.

david day (winslow), Thursday, 17 April 2003 16:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

Costello is the English Joel.
Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Costello is the British David Byrne...on massive, near-toxic doses of methamphetamines. There is no similarity between Costello and Joel, except the fact that they have white skin and sing in English. Thats it.

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Thursday, 17 April 2003 16:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

nope d!390, I haven't even heard it. But I'm at least cognizant that it exists...

I have a soft spot in my heart for "Pressure," "It's Still Rock n' Roll...," and the ultimate (wait for it)...

..."It's My Life." How can a guy who's song was used as the theme for "Bosom Buddies" be a dud?

hstencil, Thursday, 17 April 2003 16:57 (twenty-one years ago) link

...and really really tried to like him. really. i tried. i failed.
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Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Thursday, 17 April 2003 16:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

How can a guy who's song was used as the theme for "Bosom Buddies" be a dud?
Well, what if the rest of his back catalogue was utter shite? Would that tip him further into "Dud" territory?

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Thursday, 17 April 2003 16:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

nope d!390, I haven't even heard it. But I'm at least cognizant that it exists...

I wish I had it. W!nterb3rg has like two copies, the bastard.

die9o (dhadis), Thursday, 17 April 2003 17:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

Well, what if the rest of his back catalogue was utter shite? Would that tip him further into "Dud" territory?

Ask Joey Scarbury.

hey d!390, we could always ask ol' W. if we could burn a copy...

hstencil, Thursday, 17 April 2003 17:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

I brought up Costello originally becase of their both rising to fame around the same time with similar "angry young man" personas (Joel's leather jacket vs. Costello's gray sportscoat FITE!). They're also both grounded in more traditional "pop" schools of songwriting (Gershwin, the Brill Building, etc.) than most solo rock figures. However, where Costello tries to make the listener uncomfortable, Joel usually shoots for the sentimental, the self-righteous schlock. And Elvis' songs are just more interesting - his early albums are propulsive and angular, the arrangements are tight and punchy, almost minimal in places... I think you can just put it down to Elvis being smarter and having better taste.

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 17 April 2003 17:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

er, maybe just the latter, Shakey.

hstencil, Thursday, 17 April 2003 17:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

Thank you, Shakey. Couldn't have said it better myself.

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Thursday, 17 April 2003 17:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

Costello is the English Joel. I've just never gotten anywhere near this devotion people have for that lonesome, lonesome man.

Agree 100%. Hate Costello w/ a passion. He makes my skin crawl.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Thursday, 17 April 2003 17:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

The Costello Joel thing makes more sense than a Costello Byrne one. Though it reaffirms how glad I am that Costello found the Attractions, made one great album ("This Year's Model") and some other great singles. It makes me sad that Joel never found his attractions. But then again, I've yet to hear Attila.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 17 April 2003 18:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

SO earnest and eager to please, like a one-man Barenaked Ladies. He makes me puke.

matt riedl (veal), Thursday, 17 April 2003 19:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

i think he has his moments
the ben folds five comparison is spot on

robin (robin), Thursday, 17 April 2003 19:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

That AMG review of the Attila record makes me want to hear it intensely. (And see the cover, of course.)

o. nate (onate), Thursday, 17 April 2003 19:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

He definitely has his moments. Most of the up-tempo rockers that you hear on oldies radio are fun, catchy pop - and "NY State of Mind" is a solid piece of work.

o. nate (onate), Thursday, 17 April 2003 19:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

http://www.raw-tcsd.com/images/joelatt.nl.26282.jpg

Amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 17 April 2003 19:36 (twenty-one years ago) link

That is even better than I hoped it would be.

o. nate (onate), Thursday, 17 April 2003 19:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/dre700/e712/e71248fpzf2.jpg

Naming your greatest hits collection, which was only ever released as a single package, Greatest Hits, Vols. 1 & 2 - Classic or Dud?

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Thursday, 17 April 2003 19:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

Costello is the English Joel. I've just never gotten anywhere near this devotion people have for that lonesome, lonesome man.

Lonesome, lonesome men always inspire devotion, silly.

Mr.Diamond will be glad to know that since the first message of his that caught my attention was him posting several of his album covers in the smuggest covers ever thread, my mental image of him is Elvis Costello.

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Thursday, 17 April 2003 22:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ack!

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Thursday, 17 April 2003 22:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

I will gladly call Billy Joel a classic if that means that I get to make him pull his scrotum over his head while nuns kick his shins.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 17 April 2003 22:31 (twenty-one years ago) link

I don't know why I and almost everything else hate him so much. His tunefulness was non-stop throughout the 70s and 80s; and his performance style was *aha! light goes on*. Is it his blah-to-icky singing style that makes him worse than he should be? He even looks awful; bad hair, bulgy, baggy eyes. Ok, I'm kidding a little about his looks. But even his very best moments I'd never want to hear of my own free will. It's too easy to say 'I just don't like him'... but I can't really put my finger on it. It's also weird albeit amusing to hear him say he hates most of his own stuff.

Sean (Sean), Thursday, 17 April 2003 22:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

I and almost everyONE else I meant...

Sean (Sean), Thursday, 17 April 2003 22:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

TOTALLY CLASSIC IN AN I-DON'T-CARE WAY AND EVERYTHING.

RJG (RJG), Thursday, 17 April 2003 23:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm going to comment first, before I read all of this thread. I agree with Amateurist on "For the Longest Time."

Until fairly recently, I took a pretty hard line against Billy Joel, but I have to admit that I like some of his songs. I also hate an awful lot of them, certainly more of them than I like. I find his persona a big problem much of the time. I don't trust him, and I'm certainly not interested in his advice. Most of his talen is wasted. "Just the Way You Are" and "Honesty" are two other songs I like. Maybe because I heard it shortly before I transformed into an adolescent music snob, but I think I wouldn't mind hearing 52nd Street occasionally, or at least maybe half of it. I wouldn't want to defend it, but I kind of like "She's Always a Woman."

But the songs that annoy me, annoy me overwhelmingly and unequivocally.

Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 17 April 2003 23:32 (twenty-one years ago) link

He's made more good songs than the Cure, anyway.

Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 17 April 2003 23:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

Perhaps in a parallel universe, RS.

Good Billy Joel songs: "Allentown"

Good Cure songs: all of them except "Push", "A Thousand Hours", "Closedown", "Return" and "Mint Car"

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 18 April 2003 00:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

Disintegration revealed to be imperfect!

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Friday, 18 April 2003 00:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

Actually both Robert Smith and Billy Joel share an overbearing and seemingly unvaried vocal shtick that makes me like pretty good songs less than I might.

Amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 18 April 2003 01:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

Do not listen to the scoffers, Dan. The holy truth and flame shall be kept and cared for by you and I.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 18 April 2003 01:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

ALLENTOWN?!

Anyway, yes, the song about the high school sweethearts is Scenes From An Italian Restaurant, which is a great song for the bizarre oopmah music middle bit about his sweet romantic teenage nights. The fast part is reminiscent of certain Ben Folds songs, take as you will.

The best Billy Joel song is Only The Good Die Young.

Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 18 April 2003 02:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

I will gladly call Billy Joel a classic if that means that I get to make him pull his scrotum over his head while nuns kick his shins.
Um, I hate to tell you this, but thats his idea of a good time. Christy Brinkley left him when he came to the bedroom smeared with canola oil, wrapped in saran wrap and "demanded the rootabaga"

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 18 April 2003 11:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

Disintegration revealed to be imperfect!

Strange but true!

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 18 April 2003 12:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

The best Billy Joel song is Only The Good Die Young

See now, I consider this song to be full of threatening spite and anger. A perfect example of why Joel really rubs me the wrong way. On the surface is this snappin' beat, but closer examination reveals a real sinister meanness.

I mean look at these lyrics:

"The demon in your mind will rape you in your bed at night?"
"The moon is red and bleeding?"
"All the evil seem to live forever?"
"Only the good die young?"

waitaminit, that's iron maiden... here we go:

"don't let me wait"
"locked you away"
"Only the good die young"
"I run with a dangerous crowd"
"Only the good die young"
"You didn't count on me"
"they say there's a heaven"
"Some say it's better but I say it ain't"
"The sinners are much more fun"
"Don't let me wait"

I mean, it's this threat, really, couched in this kind of Greaser back-story vernacular. Liek West Side Story, on via some long-island wino. Like "Uptown Girl," which for me is the most henious of his songs.

Obviously, I have little bit of a complex with this. And I'm intentionally going over the top. But even "Always A Woman" makes me uncomfortable now, that stereotypically "fragile" song about women "changing their minds," gives me the chills just thinking about it.

david day (winslow), Friday, 18 April 2003 14:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Uptown Girl" is totally misogynist but you can read that as part of the Four Seasons homage--it wouldn't have seemed so out of place in the early '60s. Anyway it's a really catchy song and the arrangement doesn't have a bit of slack so many other Joel songs (oh, sorry, BJ songs).

Amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 18 April 2003 15:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Always A Woman" is misogyny incarnate, really. He seems to think this girl is really evil, bad, poisonous. "She'll carelessly cut you and laugh while you're bleedin'." Well Jesus, Billy, why don't you stay away from this horrible bitch? Because she's a woman. You know, you can't expect much better from women.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Friday, 18 April 2003 15:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

Bob Dylan to thread.

Amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 18 April 2003 15:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

Heh. Yeah. But I'll forgive Bob for it, because he often turns the same gun on himself.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Friday, 18 April 2003 15:31 (twenty-one years ago) link

Hold that thought.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 18 April 2003 15:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Captain Jack" rocks! DJ Sammy should cover it. Or ARE Weapons.

Arthur (Arthur), Friday, 18 April 2003 16:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

fuck this Billy Joel shit. I can't belive Dan doesn't like Mint Car. That song is great! WHAT THE HELL???

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 18 April 2003 17:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

Most artist have absolutely terrible moments, and "We Didn't Start The Fire" is Joel's

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 18 April 2003 18:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

Sadly, an unberably twee Cure song is still unbearably twee.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 18 April 2003 18:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

And you know, "She's Always A Woman" isn't the only evil-woman-with-a-knife song he's written - there's also "Stiletto."

I'd have to call Dud on BJ, with the possible exception of "Say Goodbye To Hollywood."

mike a (mike a), Friday, 18 April 2003 19:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

I like the Cure at their most twee ("The Perfect Girl," "Friday I'm In Love," "Mint Car"), cuz it allows me to forgive their most dour moments.

Three times now "Uptown Girl" has come up on my weekly walking-on-bus-or-at-computer-lab mixtape within five minutes of being on this thread. The power!

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 18 April 2003 19:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

Its a power for Eeeeevil, though, Anthony. In fact, the only way to make "Uptown Girl" more EEeeeeeevil is for Slayer to do a cover version.

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 18 April 2003 19:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

I feel bad that you guys can't cut the poor guy a break when he writes a really good song.

Amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 18 April 2003 19:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

I gave him a break when he wrote that sarcastic song about "how to become a rock star"; He had his chance after that and blew it. He should just give up and go to Vegas, because he is NOT the Balls-out rocker he *thinks* he is.

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 18 April 2003 19:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

Starring new upstart singer Mikey Jim

i read to 69 position (Neanderthal), Thursday, 10 March 2022 17:21 (two years ago) link

Also, finally a movie that should have been directed by Hal Needham.

Exactly; skip all the music stuff and just write a movie about a Long Island neighborhood where some guy keeps crashing his car into people's houses.

but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 10 March 2022 17:29 (two years ago) link

give me a call, I'm the insurance man

i read to 69 position (Neanderthal), Thursday, 10 March 2022 17:31 (two years ago) link

one year passes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXISPB6c1pw

MaresNest, Saturday, 11 November 2023 22:38 (five months ago) link

my mom and i don't agree on everything, but the woman just detests billy joel. that's how i know she's all right

budo jeru, Sunday, 12 November 2023 02:24 (five months ago) link


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