4AD - classic all round?

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i forgot how much i love bauhaus

myke boomnoise (myke boomnoise), Thursday, 22 April 2004 22:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Bauhaus - Dark Entries

sounds very joy division !

DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 22 April 2004 22:22 (nineteen years ago) link

The Birthday Party - on now !

DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 22 April 2004 22:23 (nineteen years ago) link

you can see where The Liars and 80s Matchbox... get their ideas from

DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 22 April 2004 22:24 (nineteen years ago) link

I think I'm a bit less likely than most to gripe about crap 4AD bands, because even the lackluster stuff was usually just lackluster rather than crap, but Scheer I think were the real crap. They were the token 'grunge' band of 4AD. Unlistenable. I also bought a Magnetophone CD and was like "what the fuck is this shit?"

Rema Rema is a must!

The early 4AD 7" by The Past Seven Days is one of the most precious records to me in my entire collection. I still flip over that, to this day.

bimble (bimble), Friday, 23 April 2004 00:03 (nineteen years ago) link

i felt like magnetophone was a strange choice of signing but i don't think the album is rubbish, just not especially interesting.

the worst 4ad album by far is the Paladins one. Piano Magic's second 4ad album is also fairly worthless.

the surface noise (electricsound), Friday, 23 April 2004 00:05 (nineteen years ago) link

two years pass...
xmal was a tragedy? PSH.

Cameron Octigan (Cameron Octigan), Friday, 12 January 2007 03:31 (seventeen years ago) link

scheer were absolutely not crap. their track on 'anakin' is completely lovely and parts of their (admittedly patchy) album were great too. they're like a far better prototype of evanescence

PAUL FUCKING ROBINSON (electricsound), Friday, 12 January 2007 03:42 (seventeen years ago) link

This thread is way too hard on Gus Gus!

I used to have the Scheer album, don't know what happened to it. "I Wish You Were Dead" was good. Evanescence is a good reference point! But the Scheer vocalist wasn't nearly so bombastic.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 12 January 2007 03:47 (seventeen years ago) link

it's all but an ark-lark. ;)

blood bitch (blood bitch), Friday, 12 January 2007 03:56 (seventeen years ago) link

i can't say i'm hugely inspired by the label's current roster. i dug bits and pieces of the last magnetophone album, which was a huge step forward from the first. i didn't dig celebration's lp at all, and the late cord ep was slightly distracting at best. i thought the johann johannson record was tripe. wolf & cub are surely some sort of terrible joke.

PAUL FUCKING ROBINSON (electricsound), Friday, 12 January 2007 04:15 (seventeen years ago) link

Duane otm about the covers.

808 the Bassking (Andrew Thames), Friday, 12 January 2007 06:22 (seventeen years ago) link

This thread makes my head hurt.

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Saturday, 13 January 2007 07:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Anyway Mark, sorry, but more clunkers than gems : [......] Xymox

does not compute

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Saturday, 13 January 2007 08:41 (seventeen years ago) link

Just before I came to ILX tonight, 4AD was first on my mind for some reason. Rock on dudes. I mean...Ethereal on, dudes.

Froggy went a courtin' (Bimble...), Saturday, 13 January 2007 08:51 (seventeen years ago) link

Curtis, I've only heard Twist of Shadows and Phoenix. Is the earlier stuff much different? (I like those btw)

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Saturday, 13 January 2007 08:52 (seventeen years ago) link

Also I couldn't give a rat's ass about whatever the current roster is.

Not enough Johnny Fever. Thou must experience early Xymox to understand, I think. "Medusa" was just amazing when it first came out. I don't know what I would think of it now...first album was pretty cool too.

White Dopes on Punk (Bimble...), Saturday, 13 January 2007 08:54 (seventeen years ago) link

i can't say i'm hugely inspired by the label's current roster. i dug bits and pieces of the last magnetophone album, which was a huge step forward from the first. i didn't dig celebration's lp at all, and the late cord ep was slightly distracting at best. i thought the johann johannson record was tripe. wolf & cub are surely some sort of terrible joke.

I agree with most of that. Even the new Kristin Hersh is only OK by her standards (so far; may well reveal itself over time)

Feargal Hixxy (DJ Mencap), Saturday, 13 January 2007 16:54 (seventeen years ago) link

"Medusa" was just amazing when it first came out. I don't know what I would think of it now"


it's still great!

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 13 January 2007 17:14 (seventeen years ago) link

ooze out and away, onehow

tears, and urine (blood bitch), Saturday, 13 January 2007 17:37 (seventeen years ago) link

medusa is really really good. but "sleeps with fishes", nooten's album with michael brook, is even better. maybe my favorite all time 4ad release?

kyle (akmonday), Saturday, 13 January 2007 17:40 (seventeen years ago) link

are you talking about Medusa by Clan of Xymox?

Cameron Octigan (Cameron Octigan), Saturday, 13 January 2007 17:47 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah, that's my fave xymox album by FAR.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 13 January 2007 17:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Kyle, I'd like to shake your hand. We "Sleeps With The Fishes" lovers are a rare breed. I did meet one of us a few years ago, but that's it. Not sure I'd say it's my favourite 4AD release, but definitely in the top five. And somehow I'll always remember how David Sylvian's album "Secrets of the Beehive" came out at the same time. Two great tastes that taste great together! A moody atmospheric Reeses cup!

White Drunks on Pope (Bimble...), Saturday, 13 January 2007 19:01 (seventeen years ago) link

a list of 4AD duds would not be complete without:

Cuba (or Air Cuba, as they cam to be known stateside)
Tarnation
Liquorice
That Dog (well, Guernica, but basically the same label)

way underrated 4AD releases:

Cass McCombs - A
Insides - Euphoria, Clearskin
Air Miami - Me Me Me
Underground Lovers - Leaves Me Blind
The Late Cord - Lights From The Wheelhouse

in fact, the Guernica offshoot more than deserves it's own thread...don't you think?

hank (hank s), Saturday, 13 January 2007 19:48 (seventeen years ago) link

i've never understood what the whole guernica thing was. rfi? but, yeah, that dog. was sorry, worthless shit.

insides = classic.

tears (blood bitch), Saturday, 13 January 2007 19:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Cass McCombs - i keep hearing the name all the time..i think the last time was from the guy from "Grizzly Bear"..Destroyer before..

emekars (emekars), Saturday, 13 January 2007 19:57 (seventeen years ago) link

haha actually I've only heard the s/t and Twist of Shadows, neither of which are on 4AD, so I may be very wrong in my previous posting

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Saturday, 13 January 2007 20:53 (seventeen years ago) link

"a list of 4AD duds would not be complete without:

Tarnation"

I disagree. I rather like Tarnation, and am pleased that there is a 2007 release planned for these guys.

jodi, samurai photographer (burun), Saturday, 13 January 2007 21:54 (seventeen years ago) link

The 2007 release isn't vintage Tarnation, though. It's just Paula Frazer and a couple new people and doesn't really have that sepia-toned "western" vibe the earlier records did.

But yeah, anyone putting Tarnation on a list of 4AD duds is RETARDED!

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Saturday, 13 January 2007 23:29 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm sorry.

hank (hank s), Saturday, 13 January 2007 23:44 (seventeen years ago) link

the spoonfed hybrid CD on guernica remains great.

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Sunday, 14 January 2007 00:42 (seventeen years ago) link

the liquorice album is actually really good.

PAUL FUCKING ROBINSON (electricsound), Sunday, 14 January 2007 00:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Spoonfed Hybrid is one of those few CD's I would request to take to my grave with me. It never leaves my mind entirely. It's always there, just beneath the surface somewhere. Forever.

White Dopes on Punk (Bimble...), Sunday, 14 January 2007 04:01 (seventeen years ago) link

agreed on Spoonnfed Hybrid!

I nominate Thievery Corporation be accorded "dud" status, effective immediately...

the hell were they doing on 4AD?

hank (hank s), Sunday, 14 January 2007 10:55 (seventeen years ago) link

i despise that thievery corporation stuff almost as much as the paladins album

PAUL FUCKING ROBINSON (electricsound), Sunday, 14 January 2007 11:50 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah tarnation were wonderful, particularly the second band that recorded "mirador". they aren't on the new one unfortunately (it's okay but it was a paula solo record like the last few, she just decided to use the name again). anyway I saw the "mirador" version of the band live probably 20 times. so great.

kyle (akmonday), Sunday, 14 January 2007 14:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes on Tarnation dammit. And Spoonfed Hybrid. And that Underground Lovers album is just that good.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 14 January 2007 16:40 (seventeen years ago) link

two years pass...

just noticed that 4ad have signed camera obscura.. will be interesting to see how that pairing goes

other new signings broken records i like a lot, the singles so far haven't been amazing but i can see real potential there

electrodribble sound of jim (electricsound), Friday, 13 February 2009 14:42 (fifteen years ago) link

there's a new single on itunes, er, My Maudlin Career, but i didn't notice the label when i listened to it.

koogs, Friday, 13 February 2009 16:41 (fifteen years ago) link

4A-twee

f. hazel, Friday, 13 February 2009 18:39 (fifteen years ago) link

ten months pass...

maybe i wasn't paying attention but it completely passed me by that 4AD signed up ariel pink, tindersticks and serena-maneesh.

blarinet (electricsound), Wednesday, 16 December 2009 00:18 (fourteen years ago) link

...as a supergroup.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 16 December 2009 00:52 (fourteen years ago) link

oooh

blarinet (electricsound), Wednesday, 16 December 2009 00:53 (fourteen years ago) link

This Mortal. Just that, This Mortal.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 16 December 2009 00:58 (fourteen years ago) link

Weren't Tindersticks sort of in the same neighborhood as 4AD, anyway, under the Beggars Group umbrella? Or is that just in the US?

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 16 December 2009 01:10 (fourteen years ago) link

they were signed to Constellation in North America as far as I know.

Anyway, I'm just pleased they're still kicking.

Simon H., Wednesday, 16 December 2009 01:14 (fourteen years ago) link

i feel like the label is kind of a hodgepodge these days and filled with stuff that doesn't necessarily reflect the 'brand', in fact, it seems much more like beggar's banquet now. but whatever.

akm, Wednesday, 16 December 2009 05:47 (fourteen years ago) link

and yet they seem to be killin' it in the eoy polls, hmm

blarinet (electricsound), Wednesday, 16 December 2009 05:50 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah all the stuff is good and some of it is exceptional (the mountain goats album is my second favorite album of the year), it just seems more hodgepodge than it has in many many years.

akm, Wednesday, 16 December 2009 06:17 (fourteen years ago) link

1998 had Kristin Hersh's Strange Angels (better than Hips and Makers), and 1999 had Brendan Perry's Eye of the Hunter... The Hope Blister album WAS disappointing.

Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Saturday, 17 September 2022 01:53 (one year ago) link

disagree on Strange Angels ... and the less I hear Brendan Perry sing the happier I am

assert (matttkkkk), Saturday, 17 September 2022 01:55 (one year ago) link

2005 was the first year 4AD had zero new releases I cared about or bought

Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Saturday, 17 September 2022 02:17 (one year ago) link

It's amazing to me how many shared experiences Ned and I had in life. Both growing up in Southern California sharing the same love of music for the same type of bands. I do agree with others that Pale Saints is the biggest omission. Pale Saints are one of my biggest loves in the world so of course I would say that. I do understand only 20 spots but they needed to be included. My Clan of Xymox pick would have been the debut as it was a gateway for me and very personal. I love Mojave 3 but my go to album is Out of Tune. Loved that you picked Treasure over Las Vegas. To me 4AD are about This Mortal Coil, Cocteau Twins and Dead Can Dance.

You are so much more educated than I am in regards to this stuff so thanks for sharing Ned.

Bee OK, Saturday, 17 September 2022 02:36 (one year ago) link

Loved what you wrote as well matttkkkk, a lot of stuff to check out.

Bee OK, Saturday, 17 September 2022 02:37 (one year ago) link


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