Dave Matthews Band : Name Your Reasons Why They Are So Bad & Hated.

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but Horace Mann's already here!

James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

you think DeRogatis has the spare time to be...4th on the Users list?
Geez, am I lame.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

Hey...where is this users list? You got me curious.

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm sure Dave Matthews and his band are perfectly nice guys, but y'know what? Their music is fucking * B O R I N G *.....which is, as far as I'm concerned, a worse crime that sounding like a muppet (which I don't hear at all). Dave Gedge of the Wedding Present sounds like Muppet, and I loved them. Dave Matthews Band (and...really, couldn't he have come up with a decent name for the band at least?) are just dull, dull and thrice verily dull.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

Oh, and I *REALLY* hate their fucking fans as well.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

...sounding like a muppet (which I don't hear at all).
Nope, hstencil is right. He has a Kermit T Frog kinda vibe going on. But then again, so does Hootie (granted, he drops his voice a couple octaves to hide his plush-felt interior.)

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

hating the fans is not a reason to dislike the music.

(come on alex you're a killing joke fan)

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

Bland, blander, blandest.

Jazzbo (jmcgaw), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

"hating the fans is not a reason to dislike the music."

Why not?

Nick A. (Nick A.), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

cuz it makes you an asshole

James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

do you know every single dave matthews fan? are they all idiots just becuz they like that brand of music? etc etc

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

Its not the band I hate,
its there fans.

(Im sorry couldnt be helped)

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

I hate the band, not the fans (I like girls who wear abercrombie & fitch).

James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

There's at least one reason to like the Dave Matthews Band.

And it could be worse. You could be one of a dillion Athenians who flock to see DMCB. Yes, "David Matthews Cover Band".

donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

(simon T is so gonna smack me.. again.)

donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:31 (twenty-one years ago) link

VERY aware of the Dave Matthews Cover Band (they play the same clubs Dave Matthews used to play). I used to joke about starting a Dave Matthews Cover Band Cover Band, and I'd write RUN on their flyers above DMCB. What's kinda insane is I know people who prefer the DMCB to Dave Matthews (cuz they focus on the era of Dave before he sold out, etc.)

James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

(when did Horace Mann = DeRo become accepted knowledge 'round here?)

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

You hate the band's fans??

???

That's like, you hate me.

Evan (Evan), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 22:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

i think that the dave matthews band has descended into midtempo bore-rock for the past few albums, but those that insist that the group always has been boring (with lifeless production, etc) have likely not actually listened (with open mind) to Before These Crowded Streets, for instance - an album with enough darkness and life to defeat such criticism. it's not a masterpiece, but it's certainly not Hootie and the Blowfish. just ask the Kronos Quartet.

Sean@tangmonkey (Sean M), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 22:25 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'll pass on asking the kronos quartet, thanks!

James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 22:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

I was just gonna post how Kronos doesn't fit my description of "enough darkness and life," but you beat me to the punch.

hstencil, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 22:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

"hating the fans is not a reason to dislike the music."

Fair enough, Coolio, but it certainly doesn't help their cause. I just happen to find the DMB's music *DREADFULLY, PAINFULLY, UNBEARABLY DULLLLLL*. Couple that with a nation of tobacco-chewin', hackey-sack punting frat boys zealously espousing the band's dubious skills and you have a whole new reason to hate the DMB. Does this mean that I think that *EVERY*one who likes the DMB is a slack-jawed, monobrowed troglodyte? Not necessarily, but to those who are on the fence about them, I'd say this --- RAISE YOUR STANDARDS! There's more fucking interesting music out there....seek it out before you settle for less.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 23:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

i don't think you read what I wrote - instead, you just made something up that you could make fun of. the kronos quartet doesn't scream "darkness and life" to me, either - but it "certainly" isn't an authority on hootie-style altrock yawners.

Sean@tangmonkey (Sean M), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 23:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

I have met many Dave Matthews fans but I have never met anyone who chews tobacco AND hacky-sacks.

James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 23:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

uh, I did read what you wrote and yes Kronos does quite indeed seem the authority on "yawners" to me, probably even as much as Hootie.

hstencil, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 23:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

He sounds more like a donkey than a muppet. That is,if donkeys could sing.

Scott Seward, Wednesday, 12 February 2003 00:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

Just the whole combination of being so very very uninteresting and yet being so widely worshipped, is the main reason.

Which is also why all this Dave Matthews hatred from Americans is so delightfully bizarre and hilarious for the rest of us. It's like you guys just decided to pick the most average guy on Earth to focus all your hatred on (kinda like that Gary Larson strip with the guy looking out of his window and seeing a gigantic crowd advancing towards him with signs featuring suitably vague accusations)

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 00:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

For the reasons Daniel Rf referenced, I just can't hate the guy. Sure it's boring, whatever, and his best music, "Crash," had the worst lyrics. But damn, it's the fans that make everybody go rabid. They're probably the jam band I find the LEAST annoying, since they have the most attention to songcraft. Though John Mayer may steal his thunder in that department (if he can stop making that ugly face live). Both look oddly like Tom Hanks in different stages of his life.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 01:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

mediocrity is the worst crime, daniel_rf. alex nyc, hstencil, etc have pinned the tail on the donkey.

jack cole (jackcole), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 01:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

In the attempt to be objective (setting aside for the moment the myriad reasons I loathe DMB, and almost puked on myself when my then-girlfriend told me how much she loved "Crash Into You") is that DMB sort of catalyzes a cultural opposition that's deeply intrenched in North American culture: the jocks vs the geeks. Geeks (eg, music critics) have never gotten along well with jocks, by and large. And in the US, DMB is jock music, played on mainstream university campuses, worshipped in the jam-band festival circuit, etc. I think some of the geek-side antipathy towards DMB has a lot to do with what DMB is perceived as representing: white mainstream America, self-satisfaction (not that we geeks don't have that too), Republicanism, white baseball caps, fraternities, pre-law types and MBAs who like to let their hair down and rock out to bland, corporate rock. Now, I'm not saying that all of these are valid points, but I think they're all tendencies behind the loathing.

Personally, in my most unbiased terms, I dislike DMB because I find the music totally uninspired. I come to loathe them because of the godawful portentousness with which they portray themselves, and with which DMB's most rabid fans have adopted his music as the soundtrack to a generation. Everyone wants meaning and depth in our paltry little lives, but jeez, can't you find something with a little quality to represent that?

philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 01:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

defently time for three cans of whatever hurts me.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 01:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

Damn well said, Philip!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 03:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

hate other bands please

artiste, Wednesday, 12 February 2003 04:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

He spawned that John Mayer and that HORRIBLE "Your Body Is a Wonderland" which really is a crime against humanity.

I just call the whole genre "fratboy easy-listening."

j.lu (j.lu), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 04:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Name Your Reasons Why They Are So Bad & Hated"

Because they are the American Coldplay. And as I mentioned on some other thread, because Dave Matthews sings like Adam Sandler!!

original bgm, Wednesday, 12 February 2003 05:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

He sounds more like a donkey than a muppet. That is,if donkeys could sing.

This is the greatest post ever.

Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 05:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

I just heard "So Much To Say" on the radio the other day and I was really surprised by how much I liked it! I think DMB has like 3 songs I really like, 10 songs I really hate, and a hundred songs that I'm like "eh, whatever, I'd rather be listening to something else" to.

Dan I., Wednesday, 12 February 2003 06:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

dave matthews seems to be a decent chappie, but i hate both his music and his fans. i wear abercrombie and fitch clothes, and work in a profession full of dave matthews (why does such bland pap appeal so strongly to lawyers?)

Tad (llamasfur), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 07:31 (twenty-one years ago) link

dave matthews fans, i meant. i don't even want to imagine what a band full of yer typical lawyers would sound like -- it would probably make dave matthews sound like captain beefheart in comparison.

Tad (llamasfur), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 07:32 (twenty-one years ago) link

i will say this much about dave matthews -- if given a choice between:

a. dave matthews
b. creed
c. pearl jam
d. sigur ros
e. any nu-metal band*, take yer pick (*Deftones and Tool excepted)

then a- (dave matthews) will always be the correct choice. though that's not saying much.

Tad (llamasfur), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 07:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'd probably rank 'em

1- pearl jam
2- sigur ros
3 - any nu-metal band (maybe switch 2 and 3)
4 - dave matthews
5 - creed

James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 07:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

I almost agree with J. Blount.
Except I'd (with great nausea) swap 3 and 4. I'd rather be mildly bored than actively irritated.

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 13:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

Dave Matthews Speaks Out Against War

"
Dave Matthews Speaks Out About the War
I hope this letter finds you all well and that in these uncertain times you find moments to be joyful.

I want to speak my mind about this war with Iraq, or I will choke on my conscience.

What is the motivation? Regime change? Shouldn't that be up to the people of the region and the people of Iraq? The only real threat from Saddam Hussein is to his neighbors and none of them support a U.S. invasion. Is it to stabilize the Middle-East? Wouldn't it only do the opposite by causing further death and suffering in a country that has had more than its share?

Is it to weaken Al Qaeda? Saddam Hussein is a genocidal maniac but he is not Al Qaeda. He is certainly more visible though. Is he our target because he is easier to identify than the illusive terrorist network? Surely it is more likely that an attack on Iraq would only strengthen Al Qaeda by feeding Anti-American sentiment. Putting out the fire with gasoline, so to speak. It is certainly not to liberate the people of Iraq who suffer under Hussein's rule, unless we call killing hundreds of thousands of Iraqis liberation.

Saddam Hussein is a barbaric murderous dictator. I wish the world were free of him. But the answer is not to bomb this great culture of Iraq out of existence to stop him. Why must the children of Iraq die by the thousands to stop a tyrant? It is not justice. And if we kill him what will we achieve? We will have taken the most unpopular leader in the Middle East and turned him into the greatest martyr radical Islam has ever had. The U.N. weapons inspectors must be allowed to do their job thoroughly and any military action should be internationally agreed upon. We must not allow our government to turn us into a rogue nation.

I fear that our true motivation is about oil and our own flailing economy; about the failure to destroy Al Qaeda and about revenge. It is criminal to put our servicemen and women in harm's way and to put the lives of so many civilians on the line for the misguided frustrations of the Bush administration.

Bottom line: this war is wrong and this war is un-American.

Peacefully submitted,
Dave Matthews"


Tony benn, Wednesday, 12 February 2003 14:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

I have never heard any DMB.

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 14:31 (twenty-one years ago) link

nobody has in britain. i thought it was that other guy in home improvement

gareth (gareth), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 14:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

Having that fellow walk around C-Ville and hug people in the video for "Everyday." When I used to live down that away he was always jaywalking. No joke. Urrrrrr.....

j breitling (BlastsofStatic), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 15:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

I found the fact that Americans seem to hate DMB so much bewildering. It didnt happen as bad to despicable acts like Alannis,Hootie, Shania Twain, Meredith Brooks, Matchbox 20, Counting Crows, Train, Lifehouse etc
Until i realised its the same as hating Travis/Ocean Colour Scene/Stereophonics. Its because the bands and fans think DMB is "Real Rock For real people" exactly like the uk counterparts.
Hatred of Travis/Ocean Colour Scene/Stereophonics must bewilder non brits.
Can we all understand now?

ps. Who is worse? Dave Matthews Band, Hootie, Shania Twain, Meredith Brooks, Travis,Ocean Colour Scene,Stereophonics, Alannis etc?

Julie Cosgrove, Wednesday, 12 February 2003 15:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

nobody has in britain. i thought it was that other guy in home improvement
Would you Brits like to? We'll be happy to trade Dave for...oh..I dunno...$20?
Who is worse? Dave Matthews Band, Hootie, Shania Twain, Meredith Brooks, Travis,Ocean Colour Scene,Stereophonics, Alannis etc?
DMB - Ick.
Hootie - Like these are two seperate bands.
Meredith Brooks - Better than Shania. Still somewhat obscure to a yank audience.
Travis/Ocean Colour Scene/Stereophonics - Never heard them here (apparently this is for the best.)
Alanis - I have no greivance against her. I *liked* her first record.

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 15:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

I don't think I've heard an entire DMB song but this thread makes me want to love them.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 15:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

I respect his letter -- and I'm completely in agreement with him. Like Dave says, I'm not saying Saddam doesn't deserve to be force-fed his own severed scrotum while we shove a bayonette up his ass, but we're going about it in an entirely ass-backwards manner -- completely torching allied relations left and right and further alienating the increasingly volatile "Arab Street" in the process. I don't really buy the notion that Iraq had anything to do with the attacks of September 11, 2001. And in the year and change since that fateful day -- what have we really accomplished? Yes, we've kicked a lot of butt in Afghanistan and dropped a lot of expensive hardware on people -- but the threats we faced on September 10th remain unchanged -- we *DON'T* have Bin Laden, we *HAVEN'T* dismantled Al Qaeda, we have *NO IDEA* where he/they are and we face *THE SAME* threats as before. Right, so we rooted him out of Afghanistan (we think) and we scattered the Taliban like roaches (we think).....what else? NOTHING. If we go into Iraq -- OSAMA WINS! He *WANTS* us to go to war with Iraq. It plays RIGHT into his hands. It will only STRENGTHEN his support in the Arab world -- At this point, he's like fuckin' William "Braveheart" Wallace to the average man west of Athens and south of Gibraltar -- He wants to portray the image that THE WEST is at war with ISLAM. If we go into Iraq, that's exactly the way it's going to look. And if his groundswell of support builds (which it will), that's exactly the way it's going to be. And that's severely fucked up.

But....at the end of the day, DMB's music still bores me to absolute tears.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 15:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

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