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STICKY FILTH, THE WARNERS, TOY LOVE,SPELLING MISTAKES- NO ONE ELSE MATTERS-FLYING NUN IS BOOOORING

Stacey Winteringham, Tuesday, 15 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

It's been nearly ten years since Flying Nun put out anything remotely classic. But the stuff I still listen to from that early period:

Bats - any of their recordings up to and including The Law of Things.

Chills - Heavenly Pop Hits and most of Brave Words

3Ds - Hellzapoppin'

Pretty much the entire of the Getting Older and Tuatara compilations.

Look Blue Go Purple - everything

Chug - Sassafras

Straitjacket Fits - Melt

The Verlaines - Bird Dog (my fave NZ LP ever)

The Clean - evereeeething. especially At The Bottom (that guitar sound!!!!!)

I'm sure there are heaps more but I'm sleepy..

Destroy: Garageland, most FN releases post Garageland (exception: The Subliminals first EP, released a couple of years ago)

electric sound of jim, Tuesday, 15 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Forgot: Double Happy's Other's Way, BailterSpace's Vortura, a lot of the early Tall Dwarfs stuff.

As for non-FN, Roy Montgomery is my fave. I adore it when he sings, too. Dead C have their moments, but I'd be hard pressed to say I actually like them all that much.

electric sound of jim, Tuesday, 15 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

No one has mentioned the band Jean Paul Sartre Experience. Phantastic psychedelia. Another band missing are the Able Tasmans. Their music is something like naive (almost all NZ bands sound young and fresh) art rock.

alex in mainhattan, Monday, 21 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

the puddle. rik starrr

Alasdair, Monday, 21 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I had a Puddle record (single? album? can't remember) and I remember it being really shithouse..

electric sound of jim, Monday, 21 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

the Puddle were choice, George H . is one of the greatest unsung heroes of NZ rock'n'roll - man i wish he would come out of retirement. I saw him walking down the NE Valley the other day with his dog & he had shaved his head, he looked all freaky & satanic.

DUANE, Tuesday, 22 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

i dont like eating lamb so dont know fuck all about new zelend. suppose to be i love music not i love cuntrys.

XStatic Peace, Tuesday, 22 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

he's definitely a sung hero round my way. Acetone records of France were going to release more stuff by them, but I believe they lost touch.

Alasdair, Tuesday, 22 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

give em his phone # then.
it's (NZ country code whatever that is)(03)473 8750.

duane, Thursday, 24 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Which Able Tasmans CD do you like, Alex? I'd never heard of them before yesterday, when I borrowed "Store in a Cool Place". It isn't even listed on AMG. It's dated 1996. Is that past their prime? AMG shows nothing after '93, except for a comp from 2000. I haven't had a chance to give it a good listen yet. (The sucker's LONG.) What I've heard is noisier and looser than I expected.

As long as this thread's being revived.....Search: Renderers "A Dream of the Sea" from 1999.

Curt, Thursday, 24 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Curt, the only Able Tasmans CD I happen to own is actually "Store in a Cool Place". Nevertheless it is not my favourite. I have a tape from 1988(?) with "A Cuppa Tea and Lie Down" which was one of their first albums. It sounds more natural and I prefer it a lot. Quite melodic with a little folk rock touch. collating bones, a kind of mini-review site, writes on four of their albums.

alex in mainhattan, Friday, 25 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Duane - that's fantastic - I will.

Alasdair, Friday, 25 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Y'all realize that when I get over there in September I'm going to be making note of these various recommendations...so MAKE MORE! :-) I actually hadn't realized about that newer Renderers album, which means that I Must Acquire It.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 25 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

three weeks pass...
hdu - metal? hahaha. I suppose they are.

how about:

the clean - getaway weta - geographica blair parkes - the end range - all the way to lunch the wrong records dollar mixture compilation letterbox lambs - not a private joke poultice - three beefmeisters and a french movie cloudboy - down at the end of the garden

can't find 'em? try noizyland.com

James Guthrie, Thursday, 21 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Ned,

Good luck finding much worth buying in New Zealand. I certainly didn't have much luck when I was there.

I did, however, get a very funny Dead C story. I wound up dropping off a hitchhiker at a friend's house and began talking with a person there. (In Christchurch, as I recall.) Anyway, I mentioned that I felt like I'd do okay meeting people if I moved there or something, because I have specific interests, like New Zealand music ... like the Dead C. ...

her eyes lit up, and she took me next door. Next door was a musician and recording engineer. He was not in the Dead C. Nor was he related to the Dead C. in any way. However, he had a Dead C. record that he couldn't get rid of, and both of them were absolutely delighted that an American had come all the way from Texas to take the Dead C. CD in question off their hands.

They were so delighted I couldn't bear to tell them that the CD, TRAPDOOR FUCKING EXIT, was one of the only Dead C. CDs I had at the time. I wound up giving it to the radio station when I got home. I think they also gave me a copy of Pieters/Russell/Stapleton's LAST GLASS, which I also already had.

On the other hand, I got to see Fence and Sandoz Lab Technicians at a club Alastair Galbraith runs in Dunedin (the Arc), and I went to the museum Michael Morley works at there as well.

Search: Omit, instrumental Roy Montgomery, Alastair Galbraith, Dead C., Doramaar, Surface of the Earth, Chris Knox, Tall Dwarfs, some Peter Jefferies.

Destroy: Flies Inside The Sun, and the Bilders records don't do much for me.

forgetting a bunch.

doug, Thursday, 21 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Alastair Galbraith never ran the arc. He did run Everything Inc which was over the road. Lots of the Builders records are great but perhaps you heard the dodgy Wellington ones.

hamish, Thursday, 21 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Sorry, info@noizyland.com, but the Clean Getaway belongs in the DESTROY column. David Kilgour's new album, however, after initially disappointing me, is growing better with each listen.

Curt, Thursday, 21 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

TONY VALENS & THE INCISIONS

, Thursday, 21 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Wreck Small Speakers On Expensive Stereos for having the greatest band name ever

electric sound of jim, Thursday, 21 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

one month passes...
i reckon the best nz band has got to be Rubicon!!!!or zed..... still i loooooooooooove the bruce song!!!! its my fav!!!WHO would call a kid bruce anyway!!!!!!! hehe ah.......nz music rulz!!!!!!

Mel, Thursday, 4 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Rubicon are fucken rude

, Saturday, 6 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

zed are fucken even ruder

, Saturday, 6 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

two weeks pass...
Jesus fuck! What a goldmine. Not yet mentioned but honest, and possibly only understandable to the most blindedly patriotic Kiwi, but "Songs from the Front Lawn" - Front Lawn and "Salty" - Muttonbirds are wonderful. "Kaleidoscope World" -Chills is a fantastic collection, and "Higher" EP by HDU always perks me up when I've collapsed. Oh shit, New Zealand's never been an albums place, and I'm trying so hard to look credible - um...the first Dribbling Darts of Love album...the Rip...Stones...Hi-tone Destroyers. Nah, screw it "Woodface" was pretty good eh? -except for Chocolate Cake.

Darryl, Thursday, 25 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

d-4: ANY GOOD OR NOT? They seems likeable.

fritz, Thursday, 25 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

they're sort of allright. bands like that are 5c a kilo out here, BFD is what i say.

unknown or illegal user, Thursday, 25 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

one month passes...
Looks like most bases have been covered here already I would add a search for some good ol rock n roll: "Bliss 20 essential NZ classics"(also a "Bliss 2" released) on Festival Mushroom Records. Great compilation of nz pub rock classics fron the late 70's and 80's. Stone cold classic stuff.

Currently I really enjoy thrashing Goodshirts power pop albulm "Good",

kiwi, Sunday, 9 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Lots of Good stuff already been covered but don't forget Birchville Cat Motel. Alastair galbraith is the fucken greatest solo artist ever, Dead C rock like a beast, the first Peter jeffries album is Brilliant but nowhere near as good as the entire out put of the band him and his bro graeme had, This Kind of Punishment. Graeme is probably the more talented actually, I love his work with The Cakekitchen, there's a great single called Bald Old Bear. If I had to pivk one band i'd pick Snapper. or the Clean. Or the Doublehappys. Apparently there's an all girl band kicking around these days calle Hellfuckenrumble. Nice. The Chills had a big hit in about 1980 called Pink Frost, which is the source of mouch money that enabled flying Nun to make lots of really great records.

Oh, the Sferic Experiment are awesome too.

Who gets the obscure prize?

Andrew, Monday, 10 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

two weeks pass...
True what they say about The Gordons esp Future Shock ep & 1st album being OUT OF THIS WORLD, Doublehappies (fantastic live when Shayne wasn't acting like a prat), what about Dunedin Double 12"??? The Stones supporting New Order in 1982 were tasty. Best NZ band I saw live though, was Nocturnal Projections (look for CD compilation on obscure German label)in 1982: mucho intense yet melodic. Good to see 1st XV getting a mention. Naked Spots Dance, what about them, then?: can you tell I'm from Welli??? Herco Pilots for using quotes from the Seven Crystal Balls (Tintin) on their double 7", Toy Love and the Great Unwashed 1983. The Good Old Days... sigh.

Benjamin Morgan, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

three months pass...
haha for all you Gordons-luvving types, Flying Nun have just rereleased the 1st album + Future Shock. buy it at smokecds, or something < /shill>
oh yeah, & they're also rereleasing Skeptics III, the Chills' Submarine Bells, early JPSE comp, & a/the Great Unwashed collection.

oh yeah, & the upcoming Clean Anthology looks to be the BEST THING EVER.

Ess Kay (esskay), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 08:52 (twenty-one years ago) link

four years pass...

If anyone's interested, there's an entire concert by The Enemy available here. Not great sound quality, but "Iggy Told Me" at the very least is worth hearing.

I'd also like to stick up for the Bats' Couchmaster - excellent album, with some really nice use of textural feedback that doesn't appear in much else that they've done.

clotpoll, Wednesday, 26 September 2007 05:13 (sixteen years ago) link

one year passes...

so from the sounds of it, a safe bet for someone getting into NZ music would be to get albums from the clean, the bats and birchville cat motel? any other necessities?

Emily Bjurnhjam, Wednesday, 8 October 2008 21:15 (fifteen years ago) link

the chills are the best

mizzell, Wednesday, 8 October 2008 21:17 (fifteen years ago) link

The Terminals

wilter, Wednesday, 8 October 2008 21:17 (fifteen years ago) link

EXPONENTS!

obamaloverholeinyohead (Mackro Mackro), Wednesday, 8 October 2008 21:34 (fifteen years ago) link

No love for The Shocking Pinks?

Treblekicker, Wednesday, 8 October 2008 21:46 (fifteen years ago) link

Messages From The Cakekitchen, This Kind of Punishment, Alaistar Galbraith are all pretty essential.

Alex in SF, Wednesday, 8 October 2008 21:48 (fifteen years ago) link

Verlaines first album "Juvenalia" is a favorite of mine.

Trip Maker, Wednesday, 8 October 2008 21:50 (fifteen years ago) link

No love for The Shocking Pinks?

― Treblekicker, Thursday, 9 October 2008 08:46 (1 hour ago) [IP: 86.151.0.227] Bookmark

no they are rubbish

thereminimum chips (electricsound), Wednesday, 8 October 2008 22:51 (fifteen years ago) link

Man, this post must be pretty confusing for someone new to the joys of NZ music who's trying to figure out what to buy in 2008. Just read the query above about the albums worth getting being those by the Clean, the Bats, and Birchville Cat. Birchville Cat? Also, it's no use going on about the likes of Dead Famous People, Shoes This High, No Tag, This is Heaven, and Ballon D'essai—amazing as they were, no person who hasn't been the sort of geek to get at that stuff already is likely to find those records quickly, or cheaply.

A quick survey of the immortal (well, for the first decade) Flying Nun could be had by going and downloading (for research purposes only, mind you) the four-CD box set from one of the blogs posting it. The early bands are well represented, and the first two cds are very strong; the third CD is about half good, and the fourth is weak. But overall, the set might give someone a sense for what they’re getting into. Keep in mind that you aren't getting any of NZ's punk sounds from labels like Ripper or Propeller, or the more experimental rock that the Xpressway label would deliver.

If I were new to the NZ game and wanted to go online and order a bunch of cds, I’d want someone to make sure I got something like these Flying Nun heroes:

Clean – either the old Compilation cd or the newer double cd on Merge. The Merge cd obviously has more, but leaves off some of the first cd’s stuff.

Chills – Kaleidoscope World CD

Verlaines – Juvenalia CD

Bats – Compiletely Bats CD. The early 12”s (except the amazing “Four-Song” 12”). Or Daddy’s Highway.

Able Tasmans – A Cuppa Tea and a Lie Down CD

Chris Knox –There’s a CD that compiles Seizure and Croaker.

Tall Dwarfs – Hello Cruel World CD or Fork Songs CD

And one of the early comps like Tuatara, In Love With These Times, or Getting Older. Or all of them.

From the less jangly side of NZ:

Gordons – The CD with First Album and Future Shock

Terminals – Cul-de-sac CD

This Kind of Punishment – the CD with In The Same Room + 5 By Four (This is the Jefferies brothers band after Nocturnal Projections)

Dead CD – Trap Door Fucking Exit

Peter Jefferies – The Last Great Challenge in a Dull World

And two Xpressway comps: Making Losers Happy, and Pile=Up

From the earlier wave of NZ punk and new wave, you might scare these up:

Bilders – “Max Quitz” CD of early vinyl micro releases. Post Velvets diy.
Nocturnal Projections – Nerve Ends in Power Lines CD. Jefferies brothers. My NZ fave. Ringing goth punk, experimental grinders, acoustic lullabies.
Toy Love – Cuts double cd of LP, 7”s, and unreleased. Chris Knox.
AK79 – Great NZ punk rock.
It's Bigger Than Both of Us is a nice survey of early punk, new wave, jangle, and commercial misses.

These bands were less important to me, but they’re loved by many and certainly worth knowing:

Jean Paul Sartre Experience – The Size of Food
Snapper – Shotgun Blossom
Cakekitchen – Messages from the…
Straitjacket Fits – Hail
Bailter Space – Bailterspace comp CD

And last, and least, a pitch for some lesser-known faves that still got cds out, if belatedly:

Scorched Earth Policy – Keep Away from the Wires. Pre-Terminals and amazing. "Green Cigar" defines the NZ sound for me. "Too Far Gone" also. "Maniacs"!
Double Happys – Nerves
Bird Nest Roys – CD that compiles the first LP and earlier stuff.

For those new to the game, just understand that every NZ band is connected to another. Just start pulling on the threads....

Michael Train, Thursday, 9 October 2008 00:31 (fifteen years ago) link

The Bats are far beyond awful

Niles Caulder, Thursday, 9 October 2008 00:39 (fifteen years ago) link

S: Fat Mannequin

Niles Caulder, Thursday, 9 October 2008 00:59 (fifteen years ago) link

I guess that's a common opinion on The Bats because i can recall seeing their records in used bins everywhere for a while, but I think they're pretty good if not with much of a sense of humour and regret not picking those cd's up while I had the chance.

Search also the Flying Nun documentary on youtube, newcomers and everyone else

sonderangerbot, Thursday, 9 October 2008 01:06 (fifteen years ago) link

The Bats are far beyond awful

I strongly disagree.

sleeve, Thursday, 9 October 2008 01:20 (fifteen years ago) link

What do you like about them?

Niles Caulder, Thursday, 9 October 2008 01:22 (fifteen years ago) link

mostly the bass sound, the focus on the low end as instrument/integral part of their sound. the physical presence.

this may have a lot to do with seeing them live.

sleeve, Thursday, 9 October 2008 01:44 (fifteen years ago) link

i like their tunes and lyrics and sound

thereminimum chips (electricsound), Thursday, 9 October 2008 01:46 (fifteen years ago) link

Well that's a little hard to argue about... how do you rate them comp to the Chills, the Clean, etc? Or the Gordons for that matter

Niles Caulder, Thursday, 9 October 2008 01:51 (fifteen years ago) link

I defer to electricsound as far as comparisons but I will say that as far as relatively upbeat and poppy NZ stuff goes it is totally unfair to characterize The Bats as "far beyond awful". to me, that would suggest, like, Miley Cyrus or something.

sleeve, Thursday, 9 October 2008 01:55 (fifteen years ago) link

You mean something that actually sells? Oh, the horror. I'll take MC over the Bats ta

Niles Caulder, Thursday, 9 October 2008 01:58 (fifteen years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjJY95_Kj9E

donald wears yer troosers (doo rag), Thursday, 12 October 2023 18:33 (six months ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayV0dlQNMMA

donald wears yer troosers (doo rag), Thursday, 12 October 2023 18:35 (six months ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyObGLciBRA

donald wears yer troosers (doo rag), Thursday, 12 October 2023 18:38 (six months ago) link

Hey do rag I was thinking of you - and George Gossett - when xyzzzz and I saw the Dead C in London this summer - good times

Ward Fowler, Thursday, 12 October 2023 19:49 (six months ago) link

takes all sorts i guess

donald wears yer troosers (doo rag), Wednesday, 25 October 2023 06:54 (six months ago) link


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