Mac OS X: Classic or Dud?

parallels?

Lion, Puma, Mountain Lion,

will they move to medium cats?

Ocelot, Bobcat, Lynx?

Tabby? Maine Coon?

I think

OS iXi

Beware the new Macsweeper spammers -- Very funny (for a new Mac user anyway) posts by someone calling themselves Apple Angel on this forum:
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=6159509

To answer that we would have to be stupid enough to visit your website and install your software. I will not do that for the following reasons:

1. I will never try your product because I do not trust you, your company or your software.

2. I have no confidence in the quality, usefulness and security of your product and only a fool would willingly install it. Happily, I am not a fool.

3. I utterly distrust you, your company and your software because of the way you promote and spread it.

4. I have no confidence in your software because of the many nefarious, malicious and downright evil snake-oil pedlars that you share server space and distribution tactics with. A man may be judged by the company he keeps.

5. Nobody should trust a company that uses fake online scans (mere SWF animations) to panic and deceive visitors to their site into downloading a product of questionable quality, usefulness and security.

6. Your website uses unethical (and potentially illegal) tactics to force a visitor into activating a download, even when they expressly do not wish to accept a download. No legitimate business does this, therefore we know you and your company are a bunch of crooks and your software can never be trusted.

7. Your pop-up that forces the download reads "This file has been digitally signed and independently certified as 100% free of viruses, adware and spyware". That is either an utterly meaningless statement or a plain lie.

8. If you are happy to force the download of this product (which you claim to be benign), we have to assume you are also happy to force the download of Mac viruses and Trojans once you have worked out how to write them.

9. Your software is, at best incompetent and unnecessary (better products exist to do the job) and at worst extremely dangerous, especially considering what future updates might do. http://blog.iantivirus.com/2008/01/deeper-look-on-macsweeper.html

10. I would not want MacSweeper even if you gave it away for free.
What's that? Oh, you are giving it away free... 1000 licences, you say?

Well you know what...

I still don't want it.

But anyway, what is the point of polite discourse when you are, to my mind, criminals posing as a pair of hapless students...?

It is my considered opinion that you are practicing your art, refining your techniques and testing the water for a more serious attack on the mac community using similar tactics and much more dangerous software. Let all Mac users beware.

Press apple-option while clicking on a selected icon in list view and you can scroll the window:

http://www.screencast.com/users/libcrypt/folders/Jing/media/e92f1fea-de41-48dd-8c01-dbfa6288b394

Probably matters more to me because I refuse to give up the most ergo mouse in the universe, which just happens not to have a scroll wheel.

That also works in Internet Explorer for the Mac, one of the nice touches I wish the other browsers had used.

you still use IE on the Mac? I didn't even know it would still run on the latest versions of OSX (it's still ie5, right?)

Our work computers are still on Mac OS 9, and they *still* haven't rolled out Mozilla to them all yet.

holy cow

Like, we're talking almost a decade here.

yeh, you haven't truly hated Apple until you've stared at OS 9 for eight years

I miss it.

really? only our shower could replace it with something worse.

OK, I was not being entirely serious.

What stet doesn't mention is that he's getting new exciting Windows XP in a few weeks time, so the Mozilla-less OS 9 machines will never experience the joy of tabbed browsing.

i'm still in denial

www.system7today.com

XP is still a good OS, being phased out for purely commercial reasons. I'd definitely prefer that to OS 9.

Still, OSX (and Leopard especially) converted me after being a hardcore PC guy for over 15 years. I've always hated the company, their image and advertising (I still haven't bought an iPod) but recent changes and a growing frustration with Windows finally got me to turn to the dark side.

One hater at a time.

System 7 was the last Mac OS I used (circa... 1996, maybe?) before going into a long dark night of nothing but Windows, several of those years not even owning a computer. When I came back, OS X was in full swing. I have no idea what OS 9 even looks like. (Maybe I'll search the amazing internet for screenshots!)

also, jeezy creezy stet. I will never complain again about our IT department or not having the most current software. (Note: this is a lie.)

funny, a few weeks ago I was reading a site that says System 6 is the last true and great Mac operating system.

Lots of System 6 folks thought that 7 was the apocalypse when it arrived, and perhaps not without justification. The instabilities most folks associate with Mac OS (classic) were properties of systems 7 through 9. E.g., I remember doing layout with Pagemaker on a Mac IIsi in 1986-7, and it never ever crashed or hung up. I don't recall what version of Mac OS system version it was, tho.

I don't know which UK newspapers other than the Guardian use OS X. I was at the G eight years ago when they finally abandoned green screen dumb terminals. 2000 might seem a long time ago now but believe me, even then, green screen felt a lot more WTF LOL than OS 9 does now.

i'm not so sure. i spend most of my working day creased up in mirth.

oh, no, hang on: that's agony and loathing.

I liked System 7 best of all. It looked good and had nearly everything I wanted in the Finder. It's a pity that it was of the age where you could really only use computers for actually doing stuff, not just pissing about. If it had a decent browser and iTunes, I'd be back on it in a shot.

(It was also pretty much as stable as System 6 was under MultiFinder. The crashes 7-9 saw were nearly all down to trying to do multi-tasking on a single-tasking OS with no memory protection.)

Does anybody know if you can run System 7 on a G4 Powerbook?? Yes I am insane.

Not without emulation, no.

I got a PB 550 (I think) off eBay to run it. Churned out essays with Word 5.1, but getting ILX up on Netscape was an exercise in pain.

I remember doing layout with Pagemaker on a Mac IIsi in 1986-7, and it never ever crashed or hung up. I don't recall what version of Mac OS system version it was, tho.

probably 6.5.x with multifinder

Word 5.1, how I miss it, easily the best edition of MS Word.

Still is on the Mac, but Word 2007 for PC is better, finally. Is first good version of PC Word, too.

haxor me just got leopard working on an old dual 450! (it's not perfect, but it runs well enough)

Not had the pleasure of word 2007 yet, although I think we are about to upgrade from 2000 here.

probably 6.5.x with multifinder

I would guess closer to system 3:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS#Graphical_timeline

IIsi had to be at least 4.0

(and if it had MultiFinder it was at least 5.0, which didn't last long before 6 came out)

it was preinstalled on my 2017 air when i bought it this past summer. i thought it was quite nice! no noticeable problems. a real step up from the snow leopard or whatever i was running before. my understanding was that i had lucked into running the most refined and tweaked version of a series of recent major os versions that had left people disappointed, and that others also thought it had fixed a lot of those issues for them.

aren't the main issues machine-specific bugginess, and machine capacity?

i don't know about the former for the 2010 imacs, but on the latter it seems (from the internet) that people with machines from that era have generally been pleased with performance boosts from high sierra, even ones who had previously been running sierra. but a caveat is that when their machines run HDDs instead of SSDs (which wm's mom's does, i think?), the boost is modest at best because of heavy disk use.

most of the testimonials i have read also seem to be upgrading from twice as much ram as wm's mom's machine. for a rough comparison, my mb air running the newest mojave has 8 gb ram and is currently using ~5 with a handful of routine things open, 3.46 for apps and 1.35 wired (can't be compressed or paged out to disk). apple says 2 is enough for high sierra. for low-impact use on a machine like wm's mom's i would expect a fair bit of drive paging to make that work?

i usually check in on macintouch for old discussions of things like this, if that helps.

Speed isn't hugely affected by the OS updates, it's the third-party apps breaking, as said above. If that doesn't matter just go with the latest one it can handle for the security patches, and the changes in App Store/iTunes/whatever often being required for your iOS devices.

"Tabbed browsing" is my new favorite thing.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 23 September 2002 18:37 (sixteen years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

:o

aw 17 years together as Trabs

I remember talking to an early Safari engineer who was passionately opposed to adding tab support...