King Crimson: Classic Or Dud

Jakko was also in the Kinks for a short while, replacing Dave Davies. He's on some of their early 90s BBC recordings, which means for a brief period there was a Kinks with only one original member.

That email must've been awesome.

i wouldn't complain if they did this live: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQMPGT1EoHA

Just for fun:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8NpBWPL93s

All morning before the lineup became apparent I was doing Fantasy Crimson Draft with a few other folks. My lineup was Rieflin/Giles/Muir/Levin/Lake/Wetton/Fripp

― "Turkey In The Straw" coming from someplace in the clouds (Sparkle Motion)

So the cats out of the bag but we should all probably post our respective 7-Man King Crimson Fantasy Draft Picks anyways:

Bruford, Harrison, Collins, Cross, Wetton, Hall, Fripp

fripp, sylvian, levin, harrison.

oh that's no 7. then collins and . . . . dunno. rieflin I guess.

Bill Rieflin is pretty much become one of those six degree of separation kind of musicians. He's played with a ton of different people and really all over the place. The guy has did a whole lot of stuff since he was one of the house drummers at Wax Trax.

I just heard both of the Crimson Jazz Trio albums (which is Ian Wallace and a pianist and bassist) and they are really awesome. Highly, highly, highly recommended.

if you like jazz that is.

both good, 2nd one squeaks by due to the Islands Suite. RIP Ian Wallace, it was really a good setting for him

I like the arrangement of One Time a lot on the 2nd one and Islands is great; the Islands material really shines in these arrangements. I read somewhere that Fripp considers these the only covers that add something new to the originals and I agree.

Yes, he seemed to be quite appreciative of the project. They really chose a good range of material. I'd like to read some Jazz-centric reviews of the records to get that side of things.

Listening to Vol 1 nonstop, cheers for hipping me to these

I didn't even know this existed!

That little "Larks Tongues" boxed set was for chumps:

http://www.superdeluxeedition.com/news/king-crimson-the-road-to-red-24-disc-box-full-track-listing/

man, 10 years ago I'd have been all over this. I hardly have time for the Great Deciever boxset despite how excellent that one is. Doesn't look like there's anything particularly interesting like Cat Food on that set - it really is "Lament", "Easy Money", etc. etc. over and over again

But apparently different lengths, depending on the set, and different solos/improvs. Etc. Still, that's a lot of live Crimson.

has any other short-lived band like the Wetton/Bruford Crimson been mined this hard before? did they ever play a show that wasn't recorded and remastered?

Hmm. Stooges Fun House Sessions?

It'd be worth it if there were somehow a live take of 'Red' itself in there...

did any shows with Jamie Muir get out? that would be something...

There were several released in the Collector's Club series as single CDs. I got two of them. I remember wishing the sound qual were as good as the great deceiver box.

should revisit, its been years

Zoom Club release has Muir. The sound is p bad.

yeah, and the other one is a radio broadcast with better sound than zoom but iirc the performance is not all that

I just picked up the reissue of Red the other day, the one with the 2013 Steven Wilson remaster. Other than the In the Court of... I've had on vinyl for years and those awesome mixes some ilxor made a few years ago, this will be my next big step into King Crimson land.

I would be honored to think that you were referring to the mixes I made some while back. I've been thinking of remastering them (using better quality source mp3s) myself.

They've got to be, right? I have those and really enjoyed them as well!!

Cool. That was really fun to do. I've wanted to make more live comps and one for the ProjeKcts as well. Would anybody be up for it?

yes indeed

Massive review here:

http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=45631#.UqjZwWRDv3E

Yeah! It was definitely those mixes and I feel really badly for not remembering it was you!

Bruford's autobio makes mention that his first go round in Crimson was plagued by trouble coming up with new material, and yet "Doctor Diamond" and "Guts on my Side" are A+ jams imo, I wonder who disliked those numbers enough to nip them in the bud...

That all about jazz review'extended analysis' was so lovingly, thoughtfully composed and considered. It was if a superfan had made and resolved every internal argument about the group and ultimately made the case for why such an exhaustive set would be something to look forward to... as if he was justifying the purchase of it to himself as much as anyone else.

as if he was justifying the purchase of it to himself as much as anyone else

Probably had to justify it to his wife—"Hey, honey, I got a review assignment for the thing! Now it's a tax writeoff!"

"Hey, honey, I got a review assignment for the thing! Now we have to listen to 20 hours of King Crimson!"

wife jokes ;_;

You shed rueful tears, but there's no way I'm getting through disc one of this thing around my wife. Let's just say she and I agree to disagree on a few groups and stick to our common musical ground.

Fripp himself "jokes" often in his diary about how Crimson is apparently radioactive to women. I cringe every time he mentions it.

I defiantly know plenty of female prog fans, but Crimson is sort of its own thing.

There are female Crim fans.

There are female fans of everything. It's just sort of rarified. For men, too, I think: Crimson gets pretty geeky, even by geek standards, which is why here they play to 1000 people max rather than to 10,000.

Fripp's relationship with women has made me lol, sob, and cringe in equal measures. Wife jokes are just a window into other people's lives, I guess, but they don't reflect my experience as a wife.

Kinda wish there were more female prog musicians out there, the ones we have totally rule

Wife jokes are just a window into other people's lives, I guess, but they don't reflect my experience as a wife.

If you think that joke was at the expense of the wife, well...OK then.

it all depends on the joke!

xpost If we're talking about it, some of the best and most popular female acts never really get pegged as prog. Think Kate Bush, or St. Vincent, or Bat for Lashes, or Joanna Newsom, etc., who are totally prog but rarely defined as such. Such is the wiggly/useless nature of the term.

FWIW, my wife would actually totally tolerate King Crimson. Just not 18 hours in a row, especially "Red"-era!

Bjork is prog afaic