STEVE ALBINI

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http://m.imgur.com/a/p0tKn

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 26 September 2013 17:16 (ten years ago) link

^^^Must read bit o' epistolary history.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 26 September 2013 17:18 (ten years ago) link

I heard about Albini's admiration of Bill Withers several years back. It makes sense, with Withers' mostly stripped-down production (at least on early albums), his down-to-earth demeanor, posing for the covers with his lunchbox on break from work. There's also a great story in the James Brown book about how Brown was having a diva fit on a small plane on the way to the Rumble In The Jungle concert in Zaire, until Withers pulled a gigantic hunting knife on Brown to tell him to STFU. Badass!

Fastnbulbous, Thursday, 26 September 2013 17:27 (ten years ago) link

his description of the overwrought nature of bad recording processes reminds me a little too painfully of a recording I made, where we somehow turned what we thought was great material into a mediocre record by (1) the engineer not really getting our live sound and (2) way too much drawn out tinkering and rejiggering

#fomo that's the motto (Hurting 2), Thursday, 26 September 2013 17:46 (ten years ago) link

awesome letter. so much respect for albini, especially that last bit about the money.

Z S, Thursday, 26 September 2013 19:35 (ten years ago) link

https://twitter.com/beaunoise/status/383268011169181697

congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 26 September 2013 19:37 (ten years ago) link

There's likely a bit of an underlying sales-tactic angle to all that though, don't you think?

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Evan, Thursday, 26 September 2013 19:38 (ten years ago) link

love the spirit of the letter, and many of the details, but who says a recording has to sound like a live band? there are so many other things a recording can be.

fact checking cuz, Thursday, 26 September 2013 19:38 (ten years ago) link

albini is such a joy to read, and a great dude all around.

marcos, Thursday, 26 September 2013 19:54 (ten years ago) link

I think albini's point is that if you're recording a rock band, it should sound like a rock band

also maybe it's the cynical in me but weird that this is circulating the week of the in utero reissue

a hard dom is good to find (Edward III), Thursday, 26 September 2013 20:23 (ten years ago) link

uh, i think it's explicitly part of the promo (included in the box set)?

also <3 beau and his twitter.

festival culture (Jordan), Thursday, 26 September 2013 20:25 (ten years ago) link

the fugazi session he mentions was scrapped though, and, ironically, he kind of failed to make them sound like themselves. Everyone has their artistic failures I guess.

#fomo that's the motto (Hurting 2), Thursday, 26 September 2013 20:29 (ten years ago) link

it should sound like a rock band

which sounds like what exactly?

fact checking cuz, Thursday, 26 September 2013 20:32 (ten years ago) link

There's likely a bit of an underlying sales-tactic angle to all that though, don't you think?

― Evan, Thursday, September 26, 2013 12:38 PM (55 minutes ago)

Not really as Kurt had approached Steve about recording the follow-up to Nevermind... not the other way around.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 26 September 2013 20:35 (ten years ago) link

the fugazi session he mentions was scrapped though, and, ironically, he kind of failed to make them sound like themselves

Nah, they sound like themselves on it

you are kind, I am (waterface), Thursday, 26 September 2013 20:37 (ten years ago) link

Albini made good records in part because he had an approach that he believed in and stuck to. He talks about it dogmatically as though it is *the* approach, which it isn't, but the fact that he was so adamant about it made him a better engineer/producer imo.

#fomo that's the motto (Hurting 2), Thursday, 26 September 2013 20:37 (ten years ago) link

This sounds like ass:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBnDrIxjz8A

the drums are all pushed out and the guitars, which are what really drive the band, are kind of crushed

#fomo that's the motto (Hurting 2), Thursday, 26 September 2013 20:39 (ten years ago) link

Yeah, they definitely didn't sound like that live. Weird choices on Albini's part. And arrg weird panning on the drum kit. Hate that.

punt cased (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 26 September 2013 20:44 (ten years ago) link

Yeah it doesn't sound that different than the Kill Taker version to me.

you are kind, I am (waterface), Thursday, 26 September 2013 20:45 (ten years ago) link

Keep in mind those are DEMOS

you are kind, I am (waterface), Thursday, 26 September 2013 20:45 (ten years ago) link

sounds way different from Killtaker

#fomo that's the motto (Hurting 2), Thursday, 26 September 2013 20:47 (ten years ago) link

i don't like the slint stuff with albini because it sounds too albini. and yet i don't mind the same albini touch on the breeders/pixies stuff. sometimes it works for me and sometmes it doesn't.

scott seward, Thursday, 26 September 2013 20:48 (ten years ago) link

otm. Breeders' Pod is my favorite Albini production.

punt cased (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 26 September 2013 20:51 (ten years ago) link

so how much did Nirvana paid him eventually?

nostormo, Thursday, 26 September 2013 20:51 (ten years ago) link

since albini refuses to take points on albums he records, nirvana paid him by giving him several points on hole's live through this.

fact checking cuz, Thursday, 26 September 2013 20:52 (ten years ago) link

lol

#fomo that's the motto (Hurting 2), Thursday, 26 September 2013 20:53 (ten years ago) link

he got paid like $100K iirc

call all destroyer, Thursday, 26 September 2013 20:56 (ten years ago) link

SUCKER!

nostormo, Thursday, 26 September 2013 20:57 (ten years ago) link

Didn't he say he went broke soon after though?

punt cased (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 26 September 2013 20:58 (ten years ago) link

regardless

nostormo, Thursday, 26 September 2013 20:59 (ten years ago) link

i think Surfer Rosa was one of his best works, and iirc he didn't like the record so much at first.

so i take with grain of salt his remark about the correlation between the quality of the result and the mood of the band.

nostormo, Thursday, 26 September 2013 21:02 (ten years ago) link

Albini made good records in part because he had an approach that he believed in and stuck to. He talks about it dogmatically as though it is *the* approach, which it isn't, but the fact that he was so adamant about it made him a better engineer/producer imo.

feel like this is a real truth bomb about a certain kind of artist in general

Tyskie in the giro (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 26 September 2013 21:04 (ten years ago) link

he also knew how to choose good bands to work with most of the times..

nostormo, Thursday, 26 September 2013 21:05 (ten years ago) link

Bush...

scott seward, Thursday, 26 September 2013 21:08 (ten years ago) link

if he would've made a masterpiece with Backstreet Boys, he was now the truly the god of all producers lol

of course he is a great producer, but it's easier to be good with Jesus Lizard than with Bush

nostormo, Thursday, 26 September 2013 21:09 (ten years ago) link

He would probably admit that!

you are kind, I am (waterface), Thursday, 26 September 2013 21:10 (ten years ago) link

i don't really care about notions of "good bands" and i don't think it's relevant to Albini's process - he worked with whoever he chose, whether that be for financial or aesthetic reasons

Tyskie in the giro (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 26 September 2013 21:11 (ten years ago) link

i always dreamed about a collaboration between SY and Albini. that could have been their last masterpiece..

i guess he fucked it with that Rapeman song..among other stuff..

nostormo, Thursday, 26 September 2013 21:13 (ten years ago) link

true, i'm talking about the result
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nostormo, Thursday, 26 September 2013 21:14 (ten years ago) link

The 18th Dye record sounds fantastic!

Evan, Thursday, 26 September 2013 21:16 (ten years ago) link

I imagine that letter being typed out live on a sturdy but analog typewriter with no edits and no click track.

Philip Nunez, Thursday, 26 September 2013 21:17 (ten years ago) link

lol

nostormo, Thursday, 26 September 2013 21:18 (ten years ago) link

my faves would probably be pod, surfer rosa, goat, songs about fucking, rid of me. and the first shellac album. kinda glad he didn't do helmet's meantime and spiderland. oh and dial m for motherfucker. i like how that sounds. too far into the 90's and i probably didn't hear whatever he did.

scott seward, Thursday, 26 September 2013 21:20 (ten years ago) link

I don't like how the jawbreaker record sounded but apparently during the recording process the console caught on fire so good excuse?

Philip Nunez, Thursday, 26 September 2013 21:23 (ten years ago) link

i'll add Man Or Astro Man, and some more i probably forgot..
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nostormo, Thursday, 26 September 2013 21:23 (ten years ago) link

seamonsters, dogs...

koogs, Thursday, 26 September 2013 21:27 (ten years ago) link

silkworm

fact checking cuz, Thursday, 26 September 2013 21:30 (ten years ago) link

All of the Silkworm albums he worked on sound amazing but especially "Firewater." My favorite drum sound.
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Immediate Follower (NA), Thursday, 26 September 2013 21:30 (ten years ago) link

Nina Nastasia's records, those are good.

LinkedIn Beef (Eazy), Thursday, 26 September 2013 21:37 (ten years ago) link

oh yeah! those are some recent records i love. don't know how much of that is albini and how much of that is liking her a lot though. they sound fine. he is good with strings on some of those records.

scott seward, Thursday, 26 September 2013 21:39 (ten years ago) link


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