The section meditating on More's and Barton's coming punishments and his dream of his daughter is killing me with its mix of death and pathos. That list of Barton's belongings is so increasingly sad.
― Shannon Leeedles (Leee), Wednesday, 25 September 2013 06:17 (ten years ago) link
No BUTB thread, but I'm enjoying the second book a lot more because Mantel's making the politics a lot more obvious, whereas in WH, I got the sense that it was shrouded in stylistic hijinks.
Also, someone should gift WH to Scalia, think he'd enjoy it.
― Matt Groening's Cousin (Leee), Saturday, 2 November 2013 00:58 (ten years ago) link
keep losing my thread but nearly through this now
skipped to the end to check the pagecount and discovered there's an interesting interview w/mantel and an essay on writing historical lit. both prob interesting & worth reading before finishing the book
― cozen, Thursday, 7 November 2013 18:54 (ten years ago) link
what happened to the tv show is that gonna me on
― lag∞n, Thursday, 7 November 2013 18:58 (ten years ago) link
also normal sized hardcovers (ie BUtB) give you tiny balls but smaller size hardcovers rule the school
― cozen, Thursday, 7 November 2013 18:59 (ten years ago) link
October story in the Guardian
The actor Mark Rylance is to be reunited with the director of the television drama about the death of the weapons inspector Dr David Kelly for an "intensely political" £7m BBC adaptation of Hilary Mantel's Booker prize-winning Wolf Hall novels.Peter Kosminsky, the award-winning director of a string of docu-dramas based on contemporary events – including Channel 4's The Government Inspector, which starred Rylance as Kelly – may at first glance appear an unlikely choice for a historical costume piece.However, Kosminsky shares with Mantel a reputation for indepth research – the Wolf Hall author spent five years investigating the 16th-century historical background to her narrative on the grim political machinations of Henry VIII's court.Rylance will play the main protagonist, the Tudor king's adviser Thomas Cromwell, in the six-part adaptation of Wolf Hall for BBC2, which is expected to be broadcast in 2015. The BBC will also broadcast the sequel Bring Up the Bodies and producer Company Pictures has an option on the as-yet-unpublished final book of Mantel's Tudor trilogy, The Mirror and the Light.Wolf Hall follows Cromwell's career as he ascends from a lowly start as a blacksmith's son to becoming an indispensable ally of Cardinal Wolsey, succeeding him as Henry's VIII's chief adviser after Wolsey's downfall.Kosminsky said: "This is a first for me. But it is an intensely political piece. It is about the politics of despotism, and how you function around an absolute ruler. I have a sense that Hilary Mantel wanted that immediacy."
Peter Kosminsky, the award-winning director of a string of docu-dramas based on contemporary events – including Channel 4's The Government Inspector, which starred Rylance as Kelly – may at first glance appear an unlikely choice for a historical costume piece.
However, Kosminsky shares with Mantel a reputation for indepth research – the Wolf Hall author spent five years investigating the 16th-century historical background to her narrative on the grim political machinations of Henry VIII's court.
Rylance will play the main protagonist, the Tudor king's adviser Thomas Cromwell, in the six-part adaptation of Wolf Hall for BBC2, which is expected to be broadcast in 2015. The BBC will also broadcast the sequel Bring Up the Bodies and producer Company Pictures has an option on the as-yet-unpublished final book of Mantel's Tudor trilogy, The Mirror and the Light.
Wolf Hall follows Cromwell's career as he ascends from a lowly start as a blacksmith's son to becoming an indispensable ally of Cardinal Wolsey, succeeding him as Henry's VIII's chief adviser after Wolsey's downfall.
Kosminsky said: "This is a first for me. But it is an intensely political piece. It is about the politics of despotism, and how you function around an absolute ruler. I have a sense that Hilary Mantel wanted that immediacy."
― Number None, Thursday, 7 November 2013 23:34 (ten years ago) link
love chapuys
catherine is incredible too
My most dear lord, King and husband,
The hour of my death now drawing on, the tender love I owe thou forceth me, my case being such, to commend myselv to thou, and to put thou in remembrance with a few words of the healthe and safeguard of thine soul which thou ougte to preferce before all worldley matters, and before the care and pampering of thy body, for the which thoust have cast me into many calamities and thineselv into many troubles. For my part, I pardon thou everything, and I desire to devoutly pray God that He will pardon thou also.
― cozel tov (cozen), Friday, 8 November 2013 11:25 (ten years ago) link
going to be sweet when anne... *finger across throat*
― cozel tov (cozen), Friday, 8 November 2013 11:30 (ten years ago) link
pampering of thy body
o_O
― Matt Groening's Cousin (Leee), Friday, 8 November 2013 17:02 (ten years ago) link
feel like there could def be more than one more book come on
― lag∞n, Friday, 8 November 2013 18:09 (ten years ago) link
bring us right up to present day, hil
― cozel tov (cozen), Friday, 8 November 2013 18:18 (ten years ago) link
i havent felt this way since the bourne movies that the artist shd be compelled by law to make a new one every year before theyre allowed to do anything else
― lag∞n, Friday, 8 November 2013 18:21 (ten years ago) link
i want her to finish this up and then we can get some books on other historical subjects
― max, Friday, 8 November 2013 18:44 (ten years ago) link
would like to see mantel on italian unification e.g. or one of the russian revolutions.
This fucking book
Spent all day glued to the couch ripping through this, LOVE it
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 2 December 2013 03:40 (ten years ago) link
Did you rip through because there wasn't any Project Runway this week? :D
― Matt Groening's Cousin (Leee), Tuesday, 3 December 2013 19:20 (ten years ago) link
lol no
I even ripped through it all day Sunday without turning on the TV once despite FOOTBALL which is like O_O
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 3 December 2013 20:59 (ten years ago) link
FINISHED
need the sequel. goddamn that was a great book
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 16 December 2013 22:53 (ten years ago) link
2/3 of the way through Bring Up The Bodies
shit totally just shifted up a gear am literally planning my evening around reading this now omg I can't even stand it srsly how great is this
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 21 February 2014 00:25 (ten years ago) link
this is a cool way to learn abt history
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 14:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
― ♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Wednesday, 26 February 2014 10:28 (ten years ago) link
seriously considered calling in sick to read wolf hall last week
i read a place of greater safety and it's great
― conrad, Wednesday, 26 February 2014 10:36 (ten years ago) link
present continuous
im goin to this
http://www.wolfhall.co.uk/imgs/generic/Wolf-Hall-Bring-Up-The-Bodies.png
― conrad, Monday, 10 March 2014 12:02 (ten years ago) link
I have only read the first novel but it's very good, you could even say brilliant.
The stage version would be a good thing to go to.
― the pinefox, Monday, 10 March 2014 12:22 (ten years ago) link
i'm reading the first one now, it is brilliant, i'm very happy there's a sequel.
― estela, Monday, 10 March 2014 12:57 (ten years ago) link
just finished second one
why can't all books be this good srsly
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 10 March 2014 16:12 (ten years ago) link
i guess i am the only one in the world who got bored by Wolf Hall
― nostormo, Monday, 10 March 2014 16:14 (ten years ago) link
off with yr head
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 10 March 2014 16:15 (ten years ago) link
what happened to the hbo/bbc mark rylance series that was supposed to happen?
― max, Monday, 10 March 2014 16:25 (ten years ago) link
i guess i am the only one in the world who got bored by Wolf Hall― nostormo, Monday, March 10, 2014
― nostormo, Monday, March 10, 2014
i got wolf hall for my wife, who devours books and loves historical novels. she didn't get through wolf hall at all. she said it was very well-written, but too cold. i'm going to try reading it sometime soon.
― Daniel, Esq 2, Monday, 10 March 2014 16:28 (ten years ago) link
i love the way mantel writes but i am maybe not 100% on her characters? i had to put wolf hall down at least temporarily b/c t crom is like way too good at everything. he is the best at scheming and politickin and he's a bad dude in general. like he's jack reacher.
i mean obv this doesn't last forever given what ultimately goes down but does it ease up in the 2nd one?
― adam, Monday, 10 March 2014 16:38 (ten years ago) link
Nah.
― Lee with three Es with an apostrophe S (Leee), Monday, 10 March 2014 16:43 (ten years ago) link
nope
I kinda missed rafe in the second one, call-me is a poor substitue (and obv crom knows it too)
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 10 March 2014 16:46 (ten years ago) link
not a spoiler btw, rafe's just not in it as much
He's getting busy, I hear.
― Lee with three Es with an apostrophe S (Leee), Monday, 10 March 2014 16:48 (ten years ago) link
― max, Monday, March 10, 2014 11:25 AM (46 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah really
― goole, Monday, 10 March 2014 17:13 (ten years ago) link
its happenin
― conrad, Monday, 10 March 2014 17:30 (ten years ago) link
same script as the play?
― goole, Monday, 10 March 2014 17:33 (ten years ago) link
play adapt: Mike Poulton
miniseries adapt: Peter Straughan
Filming will commence in Spring 2014 for transmission in 2015
― conrad, Monday, 10 March 2014 17:56 (ten years ago) link
thx!
― goole, Monday, 10 March 2014 18:05 (ten years ago) link
twenty fifteeeeeeeeeen
that's too long ;_;
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 10 March 2014 18:11 (ten years ago) link
transmission
― max, Monday, 10 March 2014 18:17 (ten years ago) link
Keeping Cromwell's posse and all the people of court straight is the hardest part about these.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Monday, 10 March 2014 18:31 (ten years ago) link
the court ppl i had the hardest time with, lord this & duke that
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 10 March 2014 19:30 (ten years ago) link
I still can't really differentiate between Norfolk and Suffolk! Folk them tbh.
― Lee with three Es with an apostrophe S (Leee), Monday, 10 March 2014 19:32 (ten years ago) link
totes
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 10 March 2014 20:18 (ten years ago) link
Like, one of them is blustery, and the other is... pious and blustery.
― Lee with three Es with an apostrophe S (Leee), Monday, 10 March 2014 21:18 (ten years ago) link
norfolk, thomas howard, is part of the boleyn power bloc. suffolk, charles brandon, is married to the king's sister and kind of lacking in real power because the king unhappy about it. please consult the handy vades mecum at the front of ea. volume
― ♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Monday, 10 March 2014 21:39 (ten years ago) link
so i read her first novel after i'd read these -- 'every day is mother's day' -- and it's an interestingly different beast, reminds me of spark at her most merciless
one thing i saw somewhere about wolf hall: the idea that contemporary literary fiction can't admire or be impressed by its characters but has to hold them at arm's length or disdain them. i think the, like, marysueishness of thomas cromwell is a really interesting thing.
but yeah everyone in EDiMD is horrible; it fails most when it seems like it doesn't want to be even-handedly horrible but accidentally sympathises with them.
she's really good, though
but i fear that wolf hall could be extended indefinitely, so i can see why people could find it boring. well, not indefinitely (he has to die at some point), but certainly it hardly seems to have been tightly plotted (they don't get to wolf hall in the first volume) -- i sort of suspect she's winging it a bit, or was at some point. this is one of her many points of contact w george r r martin
― ♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Monday, 10 March 2014 21:42 (ten years ago) link