privilege as a meme

I really don't think the concept of intersectionality is lost on her, nor does she believe that discussing problems white people face or discussing racism is an either/or thing. Teasing out and dealing with her individual grievances is pointless as well. This is nothing other than the rant of woman (of color!) interested in academia, activism & social justice issues, who really hates her friends. These are sentiments that not a few people involved in various lefty causes, secretly believe and feel and some have probably written something similar, but instead of pressing delete like they do, she pressed send.

I'm not up on my terminology. Is there a take on, or understanding of the Social Justice/Activist class from a Marxist perspective?

so many Marxisms, you could range from a simple "this is all an illusory product of the class system" thru to something less boneheaded

wonder if anybody's still touting Engels' line on sexuality?

the jab at "homonormative" is abt strawman anti-assimilationist queers, she def meant that and not heteronormative

was gonna say

1staethyr, I know what she was on about but I've yet to find the queer person who's definitively one or the other.

Around 15 years ago I wrote A Thing (foreword for a book of short stories by women) where I said that I was a kamikaze feminist, working toward a world where different factions were not divided and ruled by the classism, racism and sexism of people who were beneficiaries of the status quo - and finding a way to make various oppressions history. We have to find a way of doing that without getting personal and therefore getting sidetracked.

Maybe in London it's easier to identify or find examples of post-colonial privilege: the rich Nigerians who are nevertheless treated like shit on the street by lower-class white overseer types; the Bengali Brahmin feminist who looks down her nose at the Punjabi Jat feminist because of caste and doesn't expect her white friends to clock that because LOOK OVER THERE AT THESE MEN; the countless people in academia from political families (a bunch of my friends come from developing world ruling-class backgrounds where family members are either in jail or in power, depending on the year) who affect a certain amount of solidarity with working class people until they go home and shut the door...

So often in political and academic discourse, we are guilty of minimising the good in the search for the perfect, and this woman is no exception.

my initial takeaway was to lol at the ineffective googleproofing

I'll have more substantial thoughts later once I work through how I feel about publicly ranting about an event that you don't want to give any details about.

Dear Yasmin Nair,

Once you've taken down (hard) all the people who actually fit your rather florid descriptions, plz take some time to walk back to the beginning and figure out what the numerous more sensible ones, who don't fit your descriptions but are addressing the issue rationally, are driving at.

All that matters to me is getting to be the one who beats up on that white dude tbh

Get in line tbh

Those who know me and what just happened offline and what I have been talking about know what this is about.

forgive me for zeroing in on the juicy bit but hmmmmm

You know who did you what with you know who let's keep that between me and you

the fallout, however, is for EVERYONE

is it about this thing: https://www.facebook.com/doug.henwood/posts/10151766236956475

https://www.facebook.com/doug.henwood/posts/10151768678246475

I was wondering if it might be, couldn't tell for sure

can't believe there are academics having internecine turf wars

which, like, sorry, doug henwood, stop being such a fucking priss

idk, given situations like the fraudulent goodmenproject dude (name forgotten) who had a psychotic break on twitter, and the anarchist darling who ratted out his friends and is now a tea party darling (name also forgotten) i'm all in favor of seeing scum-o fake leftists exposed. if that is in fact what she's gonna do.

xp ohhh that thing. i found that diagram mostly incomprehensible. can you more clearly delineate which is the no and yes parts? like, top/bottom? l-r? come on now, i thought the left was better at graphic design.

so this rant was generated by a slam book, is my takeaway here

lolololololololololololololol

no matter how old you are, you will always be thirteen

hugo schwyzer is the first one

would be cool if the "yes" and "no" are intentionally incomprehensible do u c etc

my basic assumption is that political activity of any kind is an intense social competition among allies who are borderline. on the left the terms of competition are who is the most down with the mostest struggle.

"my other is more othered than your other"

not to denigrate the mentally ill or anything... but man, i love politics intensely, but i look at that life, and it's like, are you kidding me, who would get into that.

amongst left theorists it's not so much a competition to out-left people as a weirdly high number of very thin skins i think

Don't get the point of the Yes/No exercise. So it's an unedited splurge of every suggestion from a brainstorm which, without explanation, slots people who annoyed one person in the group alongside rapists and dictators? That was sure to end well.

combining high stakes and low odds of academic careers, the endemic intellectual insecurity of that milieu, garden variety status seeking and "peacocking," AND radical political agendas is bound to create a near permanent situation of perceived crisis and witchhunting.

i think, also, as an academic myself i can speak to a certain disposition most of us have for, like, getting the whole world into your head (and under your thumb).

"academic dudebro marxists" is kind of an amazing (accidental?) phrase

Anger spreads faster and more broadly than joy, say computer scientists who have analysed sentiment on the Chinese Twitter-like service Weibo.

http://www.technologyreview.com/view/519306/most-influential-emotions-on-social-networks-revealed/

http://youtu.be/yW8VfqwSfUc

linked in brief because the comments are, indeed, key

Without being able to follow the whole string down this rabbit hole, wow, that guy is a dick.

doug henwood?

man, poor stalin, dude is hated on by just about everyone but now it's official, he's a "no"

For the “NO” list, I asked people to send me the names of “cis men, living and dead, who make [your] blood boil: misogynists, paternalists, abusers, rapists, rape apologists … people whom you find toxic, people whose physical presence or intellectual influence in left spaces … hinders or forecloses our collective possibilities for transformation, liberation, and making total destroy.”

search for "making total destroy"

About 26,300 results (0.31 seconds)

that's a new phrase to me

lonely dudebro marxist just thinking baout making total destroy

lol the results are some youtubes of guys playing slap bass and then this:

http://anoki.wikispaces.com/Make+Total+Destroy

i think i might have found today's rabbit hole, thanks everyone.

this guy is mentioned in those facebook comments somewhere:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Avakian

"He has continually published writings on Marxism and Maoism for over 35 years and is viewed by many inside and outside the communist movement as the foremost Maoist revolutionary in the U.S.[citation needed]"

lollll

he's a big ol' no fyi

that's a new phrase to me

― goole, Tuesday, September 24, 2013 5:48 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

dude that introduced me to this phrase (variant 'make total destroy') insisted it is v popular in far left circles but he's the only person i've ever heard use it

is it like a metal thing or a lolcat thing?

lol that 'yes/no' list is such an on the nose indicator of the amount of maturity involved in these kinds of discourse

I can't tell if the divide on that yes/no image is supposed to be top/bottom or left/right, the design is just so bad

is it like a metal thing or a lolcat thing?

― druhilla (k3vin k.), Tuesday, September 24, 2013 6:04 PM (56 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

comes out of like black metal i guess

ty for 'brocialism' btw.

I finally read the list and LOL

"People that I hate and need to go get fucked! Chairman Mao, Charlemagne, Keith Richards, My asshole brother AND his girlfriend, Pol Pol Pot, Orville Redenbocker, Charlton Heston, Louis XVI, Chairopractors..."

do ppl know 'manarchism/manarchists' broadly