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she's probably always a jerk to her doorman and that's why he looks at her like a jerk

beautifully, unapologetically plastic (mh), Monday, 23 September 2013 21:15 (ten years ago) link

at the same time, I'm sort of annoyed that I even read the article, which I only know about because of Gawker, and which is just some dumb thought catalog piece

#fomo that's the motto (Hurting 2), Monday, 23 September 2013 21:15 (ten years ago) link

ding ding ding

gangover over sam over (darraghmac), Monday, 23 September 2013 22:57 (ten years ago) link

the question I have for her, is, how much does she tip

乒乓, Monday, 23 September 2013 23:02 (ten years ago) link

Yes, they always leave that out, and its p important as a true indicator of wite ppl's inner guilt imo

gangover over sam over (darraghmac), Monday, 23 September 2013 23:06 (ten years ago) link

dmac, how much do you tip

乒乓, Monday, 23 September 2013 23:07 (ten years ago) link

Exceedingly generously for here tbf, depending on the service and the race or gender of the server

gangover over sam over (darraghmac), Monday, 23 September 2013 23:10 (ten years ago) link

ps will u check the last link i posted in the irish politics thread, id be curious for yr thoughts on the piece tbr

gangover over sam over (darraghmac), Monday, 23 September 2013 23:11 (ten years ago) link

she tips the j crew deliveryman in paranoid asides

fresh (crüt), Monday, 23 September 2013 23:13 (ten years ago) link

You're one to talk about dicks raining on the parade

gangover over sam over (darraghmac), Monday, 23 September 2013 23:17 (ten years ago) link

wt actual fuck, posted that to whats happening our borad?

gangover over sam over (darraghmac), Monday, 23 September 2013 23:18 (ten years ago) link

It was funnier in that context crut i promise

gangover over sam over (darraghmac), Monday, 23 September 2013 23:19 (ten years ago) link

haha i thought it was otm though!!

fresh (crüt), Monday, 23 September 2013 23:21 (ten years ago) link

careful now

Frances Ha-Ha #CUNT (wins), Monday, 23 September 2013 23:22 (ten years ago) link

This phone i fuckin swear

gangover over sam over (darraghmac), Monday, 23 September 2013 23:25 (ten years ago) link

you do, regularly

beautifully, unapologetically plastic (mh), Monday, 23 September 2013 23:55 (ten years ago) link

I post, without immediate comment, the rant of someone named Y@sm1n N@1r (via D0ug H3nw00d):

My new good friend Yasmin Nair writes:

I am done with the douchebags who've taken too many queer theory/race theory classes taught by incompetent professors whose only method of grading is to affirmatively count the number of times the words "homonormative" and "white supremacy" appear on your papers. I'm done with the Tim-Wise-cock-sucking (not in a good way) jerks who blather on about white privilege while never pondering the fact that talking about white privilege has made a very well-paid career for a white man, and several POCs, who appropriate the work of people who actually produce work and analyses.

You ignore the fact that millions of white people come from families that have been cut out of access to basics like education for generations, and that many of them have no clue how to navigate labyrinthine university systems, or how to use networks of power to which you have gained access. Instead, you demean and ostracise them because, OMG, they used the wrong ethnic term or misgendered your queer friend insisting on seeing racism and malice where there might be none. You scream "racist" and even evoke the dreaded call of "rapist" without bothering to check your facts because all that matters to you is that you get to be the ones who beat up on that white dude.

You ignore structural problems around class and access because you wouldn't know them if they hit you on the head and because all you've ever been taught in those template-driven classes is how to apply check marks to people. You live in a world where white=racist, and the rest of your work is built upon little more than a constant call to echo white guilt, and nothing else matters.

You choose to ignore the fact that several of your South Asian/Latino friends come from massive amounts of privilege, and that privilege extends far beyond the money they might have, and that their privilege shields them in ways that you would never recognise or simply choose not to recognise. You insist on seeing every Latino as the progeny of sad, poor migrants, even as their social and cultural privilege is made clear, and you insist on calling every Black man "brother" and "man" and insist that he must manifest signs of knowing his "hood" because heaven help the Black man who will not dance to your tune of authenticity. You boast of how many POCs/queers you've fucked, and actually think that fucking is part of some revolutionary act.

You are, more often than not, white, but several of you are also self-identified, self-aggrandising POC douchebags who have crafted entire careers and lives based on doing nothing more than being the assholes who spend their entire lives pointing out how everyone who is white is a racist/anti-queer/homonormative/insert fashionable term here.

Don't bother disagreeing with me here, really. Those who know me and what just happened offline and what I have been talking about know what this is about. I am filled with rage and anger, the breadth of which you cannot understand. I am sick and tired of seeing my friends being maligned by assholes who don't do a lick of work in the revolutions they have claimed as their own.

I am fucking done with the "anti-racist" industry that has sprung up on the graveyard of the shoddy intellectual claptrap that still persists in calling itself radical - queer theory, the white studies bullshit, the anti-PIC critiques that only beat the drum of racism without bothering to think of how neoliberalism has cleverly made it impossible for us to think about the structural violence that simply uses identity to its own ends and to jail millions whom we ignore.

I am done, done, done. You want identity, motherfuckers? I will fucking use my own to expose your racist anti-racist bullshit. I'm so sick of this bullshit. Prepare to be taken down. Hard.

#fomo that's the motto (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 24 September 2013 03:44 (ten years ago) link

Yes, because you can take up the plight of white people with poor access to education or you can call out racism. Can't do both.

beautifully, unapologetically plastic (mh), Tuesday, 24 September 2013 04:29 (ten years ago) link

I am fucking done with the "anti-racist" industry that has sprung up on the graveyard of the shoddy intellectual claptrap that still persists in calling itself radical - queer theory, the white studies bullshit, the anti-PIC critiques that only beat the drum of racism without bothering to think of how neoliberalism has cleverly made it impossible for us to think about the structural violence that simply uses identity to its own ends and to jail millions whom we ignore.

Breath in, breath out.

Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 24 September 2013 04:48 (ten years ago) link

Lady, the word you're looking for is heteronormative.

She seems not to have received the memo about intersectionality - a pretty simple concept, if you ask me. Also I feel like I worked through the issues she describes 25 years ago, when I was a heavily subsidised white undergraduate surrounded by many different shadings and vintages of privilege.

aldi young dudes (suzy), Tuesday, 24 September 2013 07:24 (ten years ago) link

I really don't think the concept of intersectionality is lost on her, nor does she believe that discussing problems white people face or discussing racism is an either/or thing. Teasing out and dealing with her individual grievances is pointless as well. This is nothing other than the rant of woman (of color!) interested in academia, activism & social justice issues, who really hates her friends. These are sentiments that not a few people involved in various lefty causes, secretly believe and feel and some have probably written something similar, but instead of pressing delete like they do, she pressed send.

I'm not up on my terminology. Is there a take on, or understanding of the Social Justice/Activist class from a Marxist perspective?

All kinds of heinous things, Tuesday, 24 September 2013 08:27 (ten years ago) link

so many Marxisms, you could range from a simple "this is all an illusory product of the class system" thru to something less boneheaded

wonder if anybody's still touting Engels' line on sexuality?

Tyskie in the giro (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 24 September 2013 08:41 (ten years ago) link

the jab at "homonormative" is abt strawman anti-assimilationist queers, she def meant that and not heteronormative

1staethyr, Tuesday, 24 September 2013 08:51 (ten years ago) link

was gonna say

Tyskie in the giro (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 24 September 2013 08:54 (ten years ago) link

1staethyr, I know what she was on about but I've yet to find the queer person who's definitively one or the other.

Around 15 years ago I wrote A Thing (foreword for a book of short stories by women) where I said that I was a kamikaze feminist, working toward a world where different factions were not divided and ruled by the classism, racism and sexism of people who were beneficiaries of the status quo - and finding a way to make various oppressions history. We have to find a way of doing that without getting personal and therefore getting sidetracked.

Maybe in London it's easier to identify or find examples of post-colonial privilege: the rich Nigerians who are nevertheless treated like shit on the street by lower-class white overseer types; the Bengali Brahmin feminist who looks down her nose at the Punjabi Jat feminist because of caste and doesn't expect her white friends to clock that because LOOK OVER THERE AT THESE MEN; the countless people in academia from political families (a bunch of my friends come from developing world ruling-class backgrounds where family members are either in jail or in power, depending on the year) who affect a certain amount of solidarity with working class people until they go home and shut the door...

So often in political and academic discourse, we are guilty of minimising the good in the search for the perfect, and this woman is no exception.

aldi young dudes (suzy), Tuesday, 24 September 2013 09:18 (ten years ago) link

my initial takeaway was to lol at the ineffective googleproofing

You are kind, I am jerkface (DJP), Tuesday, 24 September 2013 14:34 (ten years ago) link

I'll have more substantial thoughts later once I work through how I feel about publicly ranting about an event that you don't want to give any details about.

You are kind, I am jerkface (DJP), Tuesday, 24 September 2013 14:35 (ten years ago) link

Dear Yasmin Nair,

Once you've taken down (hard) all the people who actually fit your rather florid descriptions, plz take some time to walk back to the beginning and figure out what the numerous more sensible ones, who don't fit your descriptions but are addressing the issue rationally, are driving at.

Aimless, Tuesday, 24 September 2013 16:20 (ten years ago) link

All that matters to me is getting to be the one who beats up on that white dude tbh

Get in line tbh

gangover over sam over (darraghmac), Tuesday, 24 September 2013 16:48 (ten years ago) link

Those who know me and what just happened offline and what I have been talking about know what this is about.

forgive me for zeroing in on the juicy bit but hmmmmm

goole, Tuesday, 24 September 2013 17:05 (ten years ago) link

You know who did you what with you know who let's keep that between me and you

I got the glares, the mutterings, the snarls (President Keyes), Tuesday, 24 September 2013 17:07 (ten years ago) link

the fallout, however, is for EVERYONE

You are kind, I am jerkface (DJP), Tuesday, 24 September 2013 17:07 (ten years ago) link

I was wondering if it might be, couldn't tell for sure

#fomo that's the motto (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 24 September 2013 17:13 (ten years ago) link

can't believe there are academics having internecine turf wars

Tyskie in the giro (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 24 September 2013 17:13 (ten years ago) link

which, like, sorry, doug henwood, stop being such a fucking priss

max, Tuesday, 24 September 2013 17:13 (ten years ago) link

idk, given situations like the fraudulent goodmenproject dude (name forgotten) who had a psychotic break on twitter, and the anarchist darling who ratted out his friends and is now a tea party darling (name also forgotten) i'm all in favor of seeing scum-o fake leftists exposed. if that is in fact what she's gonna do.

xp ohhh that thing. i found that diagram mostly incomprehensible. can you more clearly delineate which is the no and yes parts? like, top/bottom? l-r? come on now, i thought the left was better at graphic design.

goole, Tuesday, 24 September 2013 17:15 (ten years ago) link

so this rant was generated by a slam book, is my takeaway here

lolololololololololololololol

You are kind, I am jerkface (DJP), Tuesday, 24 September 2013 17:16 (ten years ago) link

no matter how old you are, you will always be thirteen

You are kind, I am jerkface (DJP), Tuesday, 24 September 2013 17:16 (ten years ago) link

hugo schwyzer is the first one

max, Tuesday, 24 September 2013 17:16 (ten years ago) link

would be cool if the "yes" and "no" are intentionally incomprehensible do u c etc

ryan, Tuesday, 24 September 2013 17:18 (ten years ago) link

my basic assumption is that political activity of any kind is an intense social competition among allies who are borderline. on the left the terms of competition are who is the most down with the mostest struggle.

goole, Tuesday, 24 September 2013 17:19 (ten years ago) link

"my other is more othered than your other"

ryan, Tuesday, 24 September 2013 17:21 (ten years ago) link

not to denigrate the mentally ill or anything... but man, i love politics intensely, but i look at that life, and it's like, are you kidding me, who would get into that.

goole, Tuesday, 24 September 2013 17:22 (ten years ago) link

amongst left theorists it's not so much a competition to out-left people as a weirdly high number of very thin skins i think

Tyskie in the giro (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 24 September 2013 17:23 (ten years ago) link

Don't get the point of the Yes/No exercise. So it's an unedited splurge of every suggestion from a brainstorm which, without explanation, slots people who annoyed one person in the group alongside rapists and dictators? That was sure to end well.

Deafening silence (DL), Tuesday, 24 September 2013 17:27 (ten years ago) link

combining high stakes and low odds of academic careers, the endemic intellectual insecurity of that milieu, garden variety status seeking and "peacocking," AND radical political agendas is bound to create a near permanent situation of perceived crisis and witchhunting.

i think, also, as an academic myself i can speak to a certain disposition most of us have for, like, getting the whole world into your head (and under your thumb).

ryan, Tuesday, 24 September 2013 17:28 (ten years ago) link

"academic dudebro marxists" is kind of an amazing (accidental?) phrase

ryan, Tuesday, 24 September 2013 17:29 (ten years ago) link

Anger spreads faster and more broadly than joy, say computer scientists who have analysed sentiment on the Chinese Twitter-like service Weibo.

http://www.technologyreview.com/view/519306/most-influential-emotions-on-social-networks-revealed/

HOOS it because...of steen???? (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Tuesday, 24 September 2013 17:30 (ten years ago) link


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