TOTTENHAM ARE STILL A BIG CLUB!

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is it worrying or encouraging that spurs have the most shots on target in the league (34) given the low number of actual goals (5)?

mizzell, Monday, 23 September 2013 18:27 (ten years ago) link

Worrying. Everything is worrying.

gangover over sam over (darraghmac), Monday, 23 September 2013 21:37 (ten years ago) link

dunno if i'm into soldado tbh

r|t|c, Monday, 23 September 2013 21:58 (ten years ago) link

As post-arsenal games indicate, Dembele is apparently totally lost when asked to play as one of two advanced CMs ahead of a Capoue/Sandro. Since that game he's played I believe exclusively as one of two CM's behind Eriksen/Holtby and his form has been excellent.

anonanon, Monday, 23 September 2013 22:04 (ten years ago) link

soldado should be more useful if&when spurs start moving the ball quicker

ogmor, Monday, 23 September 2013 22:07 (ten years ago) link

he's had/made chances, just been putting them too close to the keeper. had at least two of those against Cardiff

anonanon, Monday, 23 September 2013 22:11 (ten years ago) link

Soldado's looked better since we've started playing with a #10, his interplay with Eriksen is already excellent.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 24 September 2013 10:24 (ten years ago) link

Ugh that ball from Holtby was sickening

Third Rate Zoo Keepers With Tenth Rate Minds (Windsor Davies), Tuesday, 24 September 2013 19:34 (ten years ago) link

I've just switched on, what did Vertonghen do? The commentators seem outraged in an entirely unconvincing way.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 24 September 2013 19:58 (ten years ago) link

Pulled down big Nick Helenius's shorts in the area. Not a pen, bullshit

Third Rate Zoo Keepers With Tenth Rate Minds (Windsor Davies), Tuesday, 24 September 2013 19:59 (ten years ago) link

What where what

gangover over sam over (darraghmac), Tuesday, 24 September 2013 20:24 (ten years ago) link

I meant in general

gangover over sam over (darraghmac), Tuesday, 24 September 2013 20:26 (ten years ago) link

You have tried to insert a duplicate message.

random accies memories (Sgt. Biscuits), Tuesday, 24 September 2013 20:27 (ten years ago) link

looks pretty two nilly

random accies memories (Sgt. Biscuits), Tuesday, 24 September 2013 20:28 (ten years ago) link

3-0 chadli
radio commentators i'm listening to thought that pantsing was the funniest thing ever

mizzell, Tuesday, 24 September 2013 20:34 (ten years ago) link

Fouls from straight out of a Carry On film don't count, I'm sure that's in the rules somewhere.

Conceding once in nine games is frankly unspurslike.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 24 September 2013 20:41 (ten years ago) link

By the way Darragh if you're still shitting your pants every time Vertonghen goes forward then you'll have issued a fatwa against Chiriches by his third game for us.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 24 September 2013 21:00 (ten years ago) link

Thanks for warning

gangover over sam over (darraghmac), Tuesday, 24 September 2013 21:06 (ten years ago) link

My departure wasn’t straightforward by any means. It certainly wasn’t a case of walking in and being sacked.In fact, we had previously been talking about extending my contract.

Having had these discussions, I went to see chairman Daniel Levy again. ‘What’s happening, Daniel?’ I asked. He seemed very unsure. ‘Maybe, Harry, we’ve just come to the end.’

He was the first person to ring me up to wish me luck when I took over at QPR, and even on the night I left Tottenham, the car phone rang and it was Daniel.

‘Harry, let’s keep in touch,’ he said. ‘I hope we can still be friends.’

I thought, ‘He’s got some front. He’s just sacked me and now he wants to be mates.’

But we have stayed in touch. I’m not one for grudges.

r|t|c, Tuesday, 8 October 2013 08:41 (ten years ago) link

thread to get over a breakup for those who are lolbanned from tottenham hotspur

r|t|c, Tuesday, 8 October 2013 08:44 (ten years ago) link

all these excerpts are brilliant. the england one yesterday too was an amazing cocktail of humblebrags and humblebarbs.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24425709

Evil Juice Box Man (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 8 October 2013 08:55 (ten years ago) link

There have been rumours flying around for a while that Levy didn't actually intend to fire Redknapp at the start of that summer, I guess Harry got cocky and pushed the chairman too far. Given the collapse he'd just presided over he had no real right to.

Redknapp, who was manager of Tottenham when the decision was made, said he wanted Liverpool boss Brendan Rodgers - then with Swansea City - to be his assistant.

"My thinking on Brendan was this: if he can do it with players from the lower leagues at Swansea what can he do with Rio and Terry or Rooney and Gerrard?" he added.

This kind of shit is so dumb, Rodgers got results at Swansea and now at Liverpool because he got to work with those players day in day out.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 8 October 2013 09:06 (ten years ago) link

Still waiting to see what he can do with Gerrard tbh.

Evil Juice Box Man (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 8 October 2013 09:54 (ten years ago) link

Darragh - moving Townsend to LW to accommodate Lennon on the right? Y/N?

Matt DC, Friday, 18 October 2013 14:25 (ten years ago) link

Erik Lamela £30 million well-spent

Third Rate Zoo Keepers With Tenth Rate Minds (Windsor Davies), Friday, 18 October 2013 14:32 (ten years ago) link

Lamela will turn out to be better than any of them but he is 21, relatively slight, and still adapting to the Premiership and looking nervous. I think it's fine to wait a while with him.

Matt DC, Friday, 18 October 2013 14:37 (ten years ago) link

Yeah I was being disingenuous really, he's even come out and admitted that he's finding the change difficult to handle atm. I'm just impatient to see the guy, I'm extremely excited to see if he catches fire. Along with Eriksen he seems like the sort of player who could plausibly be a deal-breaker when it comes to Spurs emerging as legitimate contenders over the next few years

Third Rate Zoo Keepers With Tenth Rate Minds (Windsor Davies), Friday, 18 October 2013 14:39 (ten years ago) link

agree re lamela
unsure how chadli will work out

slight proviso- i think lennon is better on the left cutting in, his finishing/passing is better then his crossing.

so i'd have them each on their opposite side cutting in.

rose being so much better on the ball than walker would suit that i think?

not bad to have 3 or 4 wide options again tho, no complaints. lennon always suffers lapses in form and injuries so townsend as deputy would still see plenty of games if the squad were to be utilised correctly.

must admit i've not seen a lot of the action in full tho due to new commitments, what's the impression of chadli/paulinho, or is it too soon to say really.

i want sandro back :(

champagne supernovella (darraghmac), Friday, 18 October 2013 15:13 (ten years ago) link

every time i remember we have adebayor i get angry/sad

champagne supernovella (darraghmac), Friday, 18 October 2013 15:15 (ten years ago) link

it's not often tho tbrr

champagne supernovella (darraghmac), Friday, 18 October 2013 15:15 (ten years ago) link

Think Paulinho would look better if he was fielded with Sandro rather than Dembele

Third Rate Zoo Keepers With Tenth Rate Minds (Windsor Davies), Friday, 18 October 2013 15:19 (ten years ago) link

Lamela will turn out to be better than any of them but he is 21, relatively slight, and still adapting to the Premiership and looking nervous. I think it's fine to wait a while with him.

― Matt DC, Friday, 18 October 2013 15:37 (44 minutes ago) Bookmark

idk, depends on the while. if they don't hit the ground running soon enough you're treading water, ie not qualifying for cl / selling superstar once he ripens after three years / rebuilding again. £100m in one go is supposed to break the cycle

r|t|c, Friday, 18 October 2013 15:22 (ten years ago) link

imagine avb's probably a bit naffed off with andros becoming england's andros and fucking with his rotation game

r|t|c, Friday, 18 October 2013 15:24 (ten years ago) link

ebsm

r|t|c, Friday, 18 October 2013 15:25 (ten years ago) link

i'm gonna have to learn as a supporter that we now have to pick these things on a game-by-game basis based on opposition- i don't really remember us having a squad that rotated on anything other than exhaustion/injury before (except for maybe the keane/defoe/berbatov/mido moment some years back before a settled forward line emerged).

maybe this kind of angst is nothing new to supporters of...well i cant say 'big clubs' can i i mean we a re a big club says so on the title.

im not sure that picking to suit the opposition is an area that AVB has excelled at tho tbph. his central three always seems neither conservative enough (dembele and paulinho don't really provide _that_ much effective cover to the cb nor attacking enough (eriksen alone picking holes is already proving not enough imo).

imo, a few goes at picking dembele sandro paulinho against midfields where we're likely to be up against it and a few trios of holtby eriksen and sandro or dembele holding where we're likely to struggle to break down a recalcitrant norwich or w/e would be more than welcome.

don't wanna put too much on lamela as yet. not even sure where it's assumed he'll play.

champagne supernovella (darraghmac), Friday, 18 October 2013 15:27 (ten years ago) link

xp i would actuall yimagine so, and lol at ebsm

champagne supernovella (darraghmac), Friday, 18 October 2013 15:27 (ten years ago) link

Paulinho has been excellent I think, although way better playing in a more advanced role. Deserves to be playing alongside Sandro/Capoue and instead of Dembele.

We need to start rotating more really, would be happy with starting against Villa with Andros + Lamela and then bringing Lennon on as a sub. We do need to start giving Lamela some gametime, think it's confidence as much as everything.

Time to work Adebayor back into the squad I think, if he's mentally there, which is a pretty massive 'if'.

ebsm

England's Brave Space Monkey?

Matt DC, Friday, 18 October 2013 16:27 (ten years ago) link

oui

agree that ade and jd should be match fit for us til next summer

r|t|c, Friday, 18 October 2013 17:03 (ten years ago) link

nngh should be kept

r|t|c, Friday, 18 October 2013 17:03 (ten years ago) link

Let's take the #AVBOUT bandwagon discussion here. FWIW I agree with most of this:

http://espnfc.com/blog/_/name/tottenham/id/1582?cc=5739

Matt DC, Tuesday, 29 October 2013 17:00 (ten years ago) link

No

little busquets made of tiki-taka (imago), Tuesday, 29 October 2013 19:36 (ten years ago) link

On AVB
plus Spurs so far

Not so sure Lamela is the answer the author seems to think he is, and I'm also unsure about Dembele vs packed defences. Was amused to see that the average distance Townsend takes his shots from is over 26 yards out!!! AVB get him to stop. Seriously.

pandemic, Wednesday, 30 October 2013 12:29 (ten years ago) link

Paulinho has been excellent I think,

he was great the last game alright

drugs/lies: poll (darraghmac), Wednesday, 30 October 2013 17:08 (ten years ago) link

good article matt

The reality is more complicated. I like AVB, I think he does know what he's doing and there's a great deal to admire about the way he has strengthened the defence. But creatively Spurs are misfiring. Tottenham aren't translating possession into goal-scoring opportunities. Opposition defences are finding it quite easy to contain them. To me, it feels still very much as if AVB has a single, fixed plan about the way he wants the side to play. I would like to see more flexibility; partly for variation, but also to give the players confidence that they have something else up their sleeve when Plan A isn't working.

hugely otm imo

drugs/lies: poll (darraghmac), Wednesday, 30 October 2013 17:11 (ten years ago) link

pandemic- 1st article interesting to a point but the purported difference from redknapp to avb isn't all that it's claimed imo? a few less shots against per game. not convinced. 18 shots from outside the box per game and getting 6 reasonably comfortably on target also masking problems in transition.

second article was really good tho.

drugs/lies: poll (darraghmac), Wednesday, 30 October 2013 17:19 (ten years ago) link

Redknapp wasn't very good at beating teams who were set up to just defend either. We had a couple of godawful springs where we failed to beat those teams time and time again. Difference now is that teams done it more often, and the manager hasn't worked out how to get his front four playing together (everything behind that is basically okay).

Matt DC, Wednesday, 30 October 2013 17:31 (ten years ago) link

The formation itself isn't necessarily an away tactic, loads of teams play with one up top now, it's the structure of the forward line that's the problem.The lack of a Plan B is worrying, as is the fact that, offensively, the Plan A doesn't fit the personnel.

Having two English wingers bombing at either side is fine if you have a Benteke or an Adebayor there but not with Soldado. Having a small but intelligent striker like Soldado who's an adept finisher but isn't going to out-muscle defences is fine if you have the players who are going to provide incisive defence-splitting passes - which is the argument for working Lamela and especially Eriksen in as quickly as possible. The front four we've seen in the last couple of games is an awkward fudge of the two that serves no one particularly well.

I have faith that AVB will sort these problems and, hey, at least we're grinding out results, West Ham debacle notwithstanding.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 30 October 2013 17:43 (ten years ago) link

agreed, one particularly dire instance comes to mind against I think Stoke where we scraped a draw by an injury time vdv header off an early cross

anonanon, Wednesday, 30 October 2013 17:49 (ten years ago) link

xp

anonanon, Wednesday, 30 October 2013 17:49 (ten years ago) link


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