Should Pope Francis sell the family jewels?

Jesus probably didn't look like Jesus tbf

“It is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time,” the pope told the Rev. Antonio Spadaro, a fellow Jesuit and editor in chief of La Civiltà Cattolica, the Italian Jesuit journal whose content is routinely approved by the Vatican. “The dogmatic and moral teachings of the church are not all equivalent. The church’s pastoral ministry cannot be obsessed with the transmission of a disjointed multitude of doctrines to be imposed insistently.

first part of this quote could just as well be him deflecting the unpopular discussions. all of it could, tbh? i'm not seeing a clear positive message of change here, really.

nice post k3v

xp, maybe, but it does sound to me like he's telling priests to back off on the sex-control a bit. That 'imposed insistently' in particular suggests possible change in practice. I mean, yes I am suspicious of the RC church & am holding back from cheerleading Francis but… it's tempting.

'jeez already ease up dudez'

if he'd've come straight out and said "i'm bringing gay sexy back" he'd be dead by now tbf

yeah, I think this is what change would look like… some casual non-ex-cathedra stuff like this, then maybe some more serious pronouncements saying that eg if condoms can save lives, it becomes a moral decision for priests on the ground - ie give the liberal wing of the church a bit of room & some weight.

and then st peters will turn into a giant abortion clinic run by gays

all because we abandoned the latin mass

I welcome this new Catholic gay disco and wish it many pills

Can sum up this papacy so far in three words: FRANKIE SAY RELAX.

it's ok, he's an arsehole after all http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/20/pope-catholic-doctors-refuse-abortions

oh c'mon, that's not gonna change.

My Jesuit relative-by-marriage has been on every damn cable news show in the last 48 hours.

gotta love how me and morbs are over here being the catholic iatees, but morbs otm

I sorta think there is a God, and he is going to send most of the Catholic hierarchy to hell.

(he or she obv)

Can sum up this papacy so far in three words: FRANKIE SAY RELAX.

― hipster racist (King Boy Pato),

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/10/02/world/europe/pope-assails-bureaucracy-of-church-as-insular.html?from=homepage

Francis has made clear that he wants not simply to clean up scandals, but to rid the church of careerists, climbers and those who value clerics more than the laity. He said in the interview, “Clericalism should not have anything to do with Christianity.”

He said the Curia should be like a “quartermaster’s office” in the army because it was meant to manage “the services that serve the Holy See.” He said the problem is that the Curia has a “Vatican-centric” view that “neglects the world around us.”

“I do not share this view, and I’ll do everything I can to change it,” he said.

damn this pope is so baller

who was the last pope to get assassinated by malcontents from within

this guy is really really fascinating, can't wait to see what he does next.

who was the last pope to get assassinated by malcontents from within

― j., Tuesday, October 1, 2013 11:06 PM (1 minute ago)

that guy in the godfather 3

^that was JP I, yeah

didn't see this til today.

Check this out: http://www.repubblica.it/cultura/2013/10/01/news/pope_s_conversation_with_scalfari_english-67643118/

Proselytism is solemn nonsense, it makes no sense

<3

seriously, if this guy survives the year, then I will be really ~amazed~

also I'm all about the Vatican putting together an XI for a cricket match against the Anglicans

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/10/us/conservative-us-catholics-feel-left-out-of-the-popes-embrace.html?hp&_r=0

lotta chumps sure seem to know better than their spirit-prince how to be catholic

omg

“There have been bad popes in the history of the church,” Mr. Skojec said. “Popes that murdered, popes that had mistresses. I’m not saying Pope Francis is terrible, but there’s no divine protection that keeps him from being the type of guy who with subtlety undermines the teachings of the church to bring about a different vision.”

yes!! prophecies!!!

Some conservative Catholics are sharing prophecies online that foretell of tribulations for the church. In one, an Irish woman predicted that Benedict would be held hostage. Others cite the German mystic Anne Catherine Emmerich, who wrote of a “relationship between two popes,” one who “lives in a palace other than before,” which some now see as a reference to Benedict, who resigned as pope early this year but still lives in Vatican City. During this time there arises a “false church of darkness.”

A pity Nino, Alito, Roberts, and Slobbo weren't quoted.

What kind of a Christian tells an atheist he has no intention to convert him?

The best kind!

i got good LOLs from this article

The sly kind

http://vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/en/world-news/detail/articolo/francesco-francis-francisco-ebrei-jews-judios-29683/

Lol.

The article does not really deliver on the promise of the headline alas.

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/closeread/2013/11/how-strong-is-pope-francis.html

strong like bull

strong enough to create a rock that he cant lift

good piece

Obv not a medici pope.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/22/opinion/conservative-view-of-pope.html?_r=0

I am not anti-pope. Popes are infallible only when speaking ex cathedra on matters of faith and morals. Pope Francis’s off-the-cuff remarks during an interview do not have to be supported to remain a Catholic in good standing.

BRIDGET KURT
Smyrna, Ga., Nov. 18, 2013

BRING ON THE ANTIPOPES

An apostolic exhortation!

Human beings are themselves considered consumer goods to be used and then discarded. We have created a “disposable” culture which is now spreading. It is no longer simply about exploitation and oppression, but something new. Exclusion ultimately has to do with what it means to be a part of the society in which we live; those excluded are no longer society’s underside or its fringes or its disenfranchised – they are no longer even a part of it. The excluded are not the “exploited” but the outcast, the “leftovers”.

In this context, some people continue to defend trickle-down theories which assume that economic growth, encouraged by a free market, will inevitably succeed in bringing about greater justice and inclusiveness in the world. This opinion, which has never been confirmed by the facts, expresses a crude and naïve trust in the goodness of those wielding economic power and in the sacralized workings of the prevailing economic system. Meanwhile, the excluded are still waiting. To sustain a lifestyle which excludes others, or to sustain enthusiasm for that selfish ideal, a globalization of indifference has developed. Almost without being aware of it, we end up being incapable of feeling compassion at the outcry of the poor, weeping for other people’s pain, and feeling a need to help them, as though all this were someone else’s responsibility and not our own. The culture of prosperity deadens us; we are thrilled if the market offers us something new to purchase; and in the meantime all those lives stunted for lack of opportunity seem a mere spectacle; they fail to move us.

http://www.salon.com/2013/11/26/pope_francis_capitalism_is_a_new_tyranny/

really interesting. key gesture that separates what he's saying from marxist leftism is that distinction between "exploited" and "excluded"--a question of mercy rather than justice. both have their place, i suppose, and im glad he's willing to speak up for the former.

49. Let us go forth, then, let us go forth to offer everyone the life of Jesus Christ. Here I repeat for the entire Church what I have often said to the priests and laity of Buenos Aires: I prefer a Church which is bruised, hurting and dirty because it has been out on the streets, rather than a Church which is unhealthy from being confined and from clinging to its own security. I do not want a Church concerned with being at the centre and then ends by being caught up in a web of obsessions and procedures. If something should rightly disturb us and trouble our consciences, it is the fact that so many of our brothers and sisters are living without the strength, light and consolation born of friendship with Jesus Christ, without a community of faith to support them, without meaning and a goal in life. More than by fear of going astray, my hope is that we will be moved by the fear of remaining shut up within structures which give us a false sense of security, within rules which make us harsh judges, within habits which make us feel safe, while at our door peole are starving and Jesus does not tire of saying to us: “Give them something to eat” (Mk 6:37).

goin so hard, what a boss

Wow this Pope rules.

I keep thinking there's gotta be a catch.

there usually is when they give you something to eat

can he save K Lo's soul

The less-than-awesome stuff this Pope has already been involved in has been cataloged already, and shouldn't be dismissed, but I admit, I'm impressed with the economic-morality stance. Not to mention making those positions the first points of the document.

Its sweet he wants to wade in on this kinda thing, but who exactly do ye imagine is about to take budgeting advice from il papa?

cheer up goth

When we are in a state of sin, we are like "human bats" who can move about only at night. We find it easier to live in darkness because the light reveals to us what we do not want to see. But then our eyes grow accustomed to darkness and we no longer recognize the light.

— Pope Francis (@Pontifex) April 22, 2020

tl;dr: Corona - sinful human bats did it, to the rhythm of the night.

What is it like to be a human bat

Well now

The pleasures of a well-cooked meal or loving sexual intercourse are "divine" Pope Francis says in a newly-published book of interviews.https://t.co/u6Mso7CrAZ

— RTÉ News (@rtenews) September 9, 2020

Seems good?

Pope Francis calls for civil union laws for same-sex couples https://t.co/Gv7KDM1fqP

— The Washington Post (@washingtonpost) October 21, 2020

The pope gave an interview to the filmmaker, Evgeny Afineevsky, saying that “homosexuals have a right to be a part of the family.”
“They’re children of God and have a right to a family,” the pope said. “Nobody should be thrown out, or be made miserable because of it.”

has rod dreher commented on this y/n

Rod Dreher already ditched catholicism for not being conservative enough and is now orthodox.

This does seem good, but notable that it's just something he's said off the cuff to a documentarian, and not something that he has said in a formal statement.

I also worry that the next pontiff will be more conservative than Bergoglio

I worry he'll be more conservative than Ratzinger.

there's a difference between homosexual acts and homosexual relationships which is always going to be unresolved in this context

This does seem good, but notable that it's just something he's said off the cuff to a documentarian, and not something that he has said in a formal statement.

https://catholicherald.co.uk/pope-francis-rants-against-delinquent-priests-who-withhold-absolution-2/

Priests should grant absolution in the confessional even when the penitent has no intention to repent, the Pope has said in a speech which has shocked seminarians.

The Holy Father put aside a written speech, describing it as “boring”, and delivered an off-the-cuff address to seminarians from Barcelona, Spain, in which he frequently used foul language.

...

According to reports, Francis also used his speech to rant against “f***ing careerists who f*** up the lives of others”.

The Pope also criticised “those who climb to show their a**”, the Italian media outlet Daily Compass reported.

hahahaha, WHAT?

the pope said "fuck" in his speech? 2023 is looking up

this is the day he finally became pope

Francis has had it up to here with these fuckers

Is this the Catholic Onion?

It sounds like it, right? I had to check. It looks like a conservative/traditional Catholic publication, which means that it's probably interested in making the Woke Pope look bad. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Herald

yep

But did he say the f word? As long as that still happened

God I wish I was Catholic right now

i am, for this week at least. the pope fucking made me catholic

Oops.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/29/europe/pope-francis-russia-ukraine-intl-hnk/index.html

sorry ukraine but how is he going to heal the great schism if he can't win over the third rome?