Thread of Anticipating KNOWING with Nic Cage

man @ this new nic cage movie

― max, Monday, February 23, 2009 2:17 AM (14 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

word. was gonna start this thread after seeing trailer. cage really on a roll atm.

alex proyas sure is intent on destroying all those fond memories of dark city.

uh are you guys talking about KNOW1NG?

because that is the name of the movie

KNOW1NG

Isn't this like his other movie, only with the precognition on a piece of paper instead of inside his head?

the other one he could see the future but only like 30 seconds before it happened

someone should do a nic cage poll

guys. this movie.

seriously. this is as close as I've ever seen to a modern-day ed wood film. no joke.

what happens when the numbers run out? is my fav line in the commercial

there should be a rolling "man @ this new nic cage movie" thread

aka The Number 21029153408514937534987154081345173450913450961436134509134510934570194350917345.

perhaps if the teasers said "from the writers of Boogeyman"

ok that trailer

is it more of a disaster than Southland Tales?

that seems like a pretty apples/oranges comparison. a ridiculous Cage movie is not a ridiculous Shyamalan movie is not a etc.

The Happening 2: Knowing

ST had ambition. This has sprocket holes.

is 11/07/2000 was one of the dates?

I'm sure Richard Kelly was attached to this after Donnie Darko. His version also had a time capsule but it was meant to be all about the kids' drawings of major disasters rather than numbers. Still potentially terrible but not as blah-looking as this.

Nic Cage's argument defence for this kind of thing used to be one-for-the-art, one-for-the-money but I don't know what's happened to one-for-the-art since Lord of War.

has Proyas' Dark City cred finally run out then?

[that seems like a pretty apples/oranges comparison. a ridiculous Cage movie is not a ridiculous Shyamalan movie is not a etc.

Richard Kelly involved in both apples and oranges

this is definitely closer to shyamalan than southland tales territory. very different kinds of failures.

no seriously i LOLed several times in the theatre. it's unbelievable. it feels like it was financed by a church group.

dark city cred? what are you people, roger ebert?

oh wait there's only one poster who keeps bringing up the glory of dark city, nevermind

haha dark city was pretty bad but at least it had some kind of thing going on... this is so hackish on every single level... such a transparent biblical allegory (no spoilers but holy shit you will LOL when you see what i mean)... i mean i thought i, robot was a turd but this takes the prize.

so where does this rank amongst previous nic cage wtf films?

my bad, it never occurred to me for a second that Richard Kelly would've been attached to a $50mil budget Nic Cage movie.

As someone who sat thru Next I'm not sure the drug has been synthesized that cd willingly get me thru this one.

Even if he saves the world, nic cage will still look miserable. He reminds me of Droopy.

Still, yeah, I'll see this film. Oh look the numbers have been drawn to look like a DNA helix...

so where does this rank amongst previous nic cage wtf films?

the really important question here

Hopefully up there with Wicker Man.

just below wicker man.

I recently rewatched that and it was still a barrel of laughs, holds up well

Cage Takes Up Hang Gliding

17 March 2009 12:10 PM, PDT

Nicolas Cage is planning a break from acting to pursue a more extreme pastime - as a licensed hang gliding pilot.

The Leaving Las Vegas star is entranced by the idea of soaring through the air with a pair of his own wings.

And he's looking for a break between films so he can travel to the Swiss Alps, where the actor has learned he can become certified to fly in just two weeks.

He says, "It's probably one of the most beautiful things a man can do. You're just soaring in the sky like an eagle... It's less dangerous now. They say it's not as bad as racing cars and it's probably no more dangerous than riding a bicycle, so I'm ready to get my pilots license."

"ive already accomplished everything i want to in the world of absurd movies. now im looking for a ridiculous way to die."

http://monroelab.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2006/03/Daedalus-and-icarus.jpg

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"Knowing" is among the best science-fiction films I've seen -- frightening, suspenseful, intelligent and, when it needs to be, rather awesome.

Still love the guy, but don't believe him.

more like BL0W1NG

I just saw a thing about Nick Cage, in which he's talking about how his remake of "The Wicker Man" is so horrifying that people will have nightmares for weeks afterwards and how it's a zillion times better than the original. So he's a big fucking liar. I hate the fucker, he's a crap one-dimensional actor who's (at best) fair at picking "big" movies (the National Treasure crap, for instance) and hasn't had a good role in years. And looking back, those seemed a matter of luck more than anything. Plus, he's pig ugly. Fuck him.

The Dance (2010) (announced) .... Billy 'The Kid' Roth
The Sorcerer's Apprentice (2010) (filming) .... Balthazar Blake
Season of the Witch (2010) (filming) .... Lavey
Astro Boy (2009) (post-production) (voice) .... Dr. Tenma
G-Force (2009) (post-production) (voice) .... Speckles
Bad Lieutenant: Port of Call New Orleans (2009) (post-production)
Kick-Ass (2009) (post-production) .... Damon Macready

Nicolas Cage ... Speckles (voice)
Penélope Cruz ... Juarez (voice)
Bill Nighy
Sam Rockwell ... Darwin (voice)
Steve Buscemi ... Bucky (voice)
Will Arnett
Tracy Morgan ... Blaster (voice)
Zach Galifianakis ... Ben
Kelli Garner ... Marcie
Tyler Patrick Jones ... Connor
Mini Anden ... Christa
Niecy Nash ... Rosalita

Release Date:
16 July 2010 (USA) more
Genre:
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A sorcerer (Cage) leaves his workshop in the hands of his apprentice (Baruchel), who gets into trouble when the broomstick he's tasked to do his chores for him somehow develops a mind of its own. | add synopsis

Release Date:
2010 (USA) more
Genre:
Drama | Sport
Plot:
A dramatization of the life of one-time champion prize fighter Billy "The Kid" Roth, who has volunteered as a boxing coach for over 40 years in the prisons of Louisiana. | add synopsis

Nicolas Cage ... Billy 'The Kid' Roth
50 Cent

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Dave Lizewski is an unnoticed high school student and comic book fan who one day decides to become a super-hero, even though he has no powers, training or meaningful reason to do so

Season of the Witch (2010) (filming) .... Lavey

wtfffffffff remake of halloween 3??

I am actually curious about "Kick-Ass" and excited about the Herzog-directed "Bad Lieutenant."

This, however, s1ock is dead-on abbout - it is awful bible-thumping bullshit, and worse, it's boring. I'll give Proyas this, though: the man can stage an action sequence.

Anyone else notice that Richard Kelly has a writing credit on this?

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090221133114AAES3Wz

i mean I LOVE CRICKET: THE CHINATOWN OF ILX: THE CHINATOWN OF ILX

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I thought this was pretty good! I mean, the whole story made absolutely no sense at all... If the aliens knew what was gonna happen 50 years ago, why did they come up with such a ridiculously complex plot to save a handful of kids (I take it there were two kids in all of those space ships in the end, even though the two main kids were all we saw) right before the end of the world? Why not just slowly ship folks away during those 50 years, so they could've saved more people? And why come upt with such silly way of passing the information instead of just, you know, telling the truth right from the beginning? But if you get past all the plot holes, the movie was quite entertaining to watch. I hadn't been spoiled about the plot, so it was genuinely cool to watch a movie were you really couldn't guess what's gonna happen next (no way did I see the movie ending with the destruction of the whole Earth). And Proyas is still great at coming up with arresting and scary cinema; those accident scenes were genuinely disturbing, and the finale looked absolutely gorgeous!

I think the Nick Cage is the best actor for these kind of films, because he can be totally earnest throughout the silliness. If the movie had had a nudge nudge wink wink, "you aren't really supposed to take this seriously" postmodern vibe, it would've just gone up its arse, and it would've been so much worse. You need to take it seriously for it to work, and Cage is perfect at portraying that seriousness. I mean, in the climax point of the movie the guy scrubbing paint away from an old cellar door to find out the cordinates scribbled to it by a school girl, which will lead him to the exact spot where space aliens will appear to rescue his son from the complete destruction of the Earth by the Sun, and when you write it down like this it's the stupidest thing you've ever heard, but when you're watching it on the screen you're there with him, and you totally believe in him, with all your heart, because he's Nick fucking Cage, and youre like, go Nick go! Scrub that paint! Scrub it!! Yeah!!

Because he's that good.

"go Nick go! Scrub that paint! Scrub it!! Yeah!!"
Nic can inspire this in Face/Off but not in this movie. He's pretty muted for a guy who is a) in that situation and b) Nicolas Cage.

Well yeah, he needs to be muted! He shouldn't go over the top, because it's a serious film and he needs to be serious. That's the point of it.

but somber Cage is like a bird with clipped wings -- let him fly, for god's sake!

I loved that not only did the story not really make any sense, but Cage even basically says "what was the point of me following all these clues if I couldn't do anything!?" And this is like a half hour before the end of the movie, and there's no real twist or anything from that point onward, just everything you pretty much have already been told is going to happen playing itself out.

I mean, you can say "newsflash: Hollywood is stupid," but it honestly amazes me how a movie that costs $50mil and went through years of development and rewrites could get on the screen without meeting even the most basic requirements for there to be any kind of logic to the progression of events or the protagonist's role in the story.

i just assumed it was a labor of love for nic and/or proyas (sure smelled like one) but wow yeah apparently this film had a lot of cooks.

I don't remember this too well, but were the clues for him? I thought they were for the kids, and it was just by mistake that he happened upon them, too. The story does kind of make sense if it turns out the aliens are not predicting the disasters, but actively facilitating them so they can steal their babies under cover of apocalypse, and if this is the case the movie missed out on a grand opportunity to have Cage punch out a guy in an alien costume.

shit if you're an alien angel the fuck do you need to blow up the world to steal a baby for

then again these guys did seem to enjoy taking the long way around ("let's just stare at 'em in leather jackets with our mouths open")

I guess you could interpret it that the schoolgirl 50 years ago got all the information accidentally, being mentally attuned with the aliens like her granddaughter was, and that she or Nick Cage were never meant to have any use for those clues. It looked like the aliens were gonna grab the kids they'd chosen anyway, so all the clues did was to make Cage find out what was going on. It still doesn't make sense why or how the aliens would've predicted all those other accidents, and why this information was what the schoolgirl got from them, even if it was an accident.

Yeah, even if Cage is just the guy whose son is the 'chosen one' and he happens to figure out the clues (which were utterly useless to him or anyone else and were figured out at the last possible minute) -- nothing that happens with him or the kids actually facilitates the aliens being able to take the kids into space. Cage was leaving the boy alone to walk up to the aliens' car, wander to them in the forest, etc. the whole damn movie, it's not like he had to be tricked into delivering him into their hands!

Another favorite moment -- Cage picks the "91101" sequence of apparently at random out of the middle of the long string of numbers, AND THEN thinks oh hey September 11th 2001!

btw you can maximize your fun while watching this movie if you assign names to the aryan aliens -- i decided very early on to call them Franklin & Beauregard

I mean, the aliens already knew what was gonna happen 50 years in the future, and they probably already had an intricate plan to save humanity back then, so the schoolgirl just accidentally caught a glimpse of that plan. The aliens never intended her or Nick Cage to find out.

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Beauregard sounds like a name for an alien that needs punchin' ha!

They didn't predict the disasters, they made them happen, probably as a training exercise for the big one at the end.
The sensitivity to the numbers means these are humans who are compatible with alien DNA or something. This is just a snippet of
alien radio they are able to pickup -- the kids get other messages, too, it's just that the movie is focused on this security leak.

"They didn't predict the disasters, they made them happen"

you making that up!

Yeah, there's nothing in the movie to suggest they caused any of the accidents, they simply seemed to have an incredibly accurate way of predicting the future.

Yeah but but but all of these very specific dominos fell into place just for him -- a guy who actually wrote a paper about solar flares! -- to figure this stuff out. So either the movie is saying the universe is very deterministic and set all this stuff up, or the universe is so random that it set up this incredibly unlikely sequence of events that just happened to really screw with this one professor's head and make him think there was a big plan for the universe and not just some aliens that can see the future?

It seems many of you thought the movie had some sort of Christian message because of the aliens' somewhat angelic apperance and because of the final scene, but I though it was the other way around: I interpreted it that the aliens had visited Earth before in ancient times, but back the people didn't know what to think of them, so they thought the aliens were angels (or gods or whatever), and remnants of their apperance had been kept alive in myths. So it's like in Erich von Däniken's "ancient astronauts" theory. Maybe the aliens had even tried to inform the ancient people about the coming destruction, but those people didn't quite get it, so they turned the predictions into various myths about the end of the world/apocalypse.

but it fits so perfectly! the numbers are just timestamps of covert ops.

it's an oblique hint, but it's there in the movie.

I don't think the theme or message was Christian or spiritual at all, really, but the ending had a Noah's ark theme and the main character reconciling with his father who's a reverend, so I can't say people talking about that angle are just making it up.

The only direct reference to religion is Nick Cage's final comment, when he says knows there's something after death, but even that line could interpreted in many ways, not necessarily in a Christian way. Maybe he just meant he knows his genes (and humanity in general) will go on after the Earth's death, because his kid had just been taken by the aliens.

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Yeah, I know the Christian stuff was put there quite intentionally, but there's nothing to suggest an explicit Christian interpretation of the story. If the aliens really were angels, why didn't God show up at any point?

yeah the christian themes are crucial to interpreting the predictions as de facto intentions in the sense that an omniscient god implies an omnipotent god -- His "KNOW1NG" is equivalent to making those things happen. Hence, the aliens made those things happen.

It was pretty creepy when the boy and girl were shown frolicking through the fields. i was expecting pedo-bear to pop up.

They didn't make them happen, but there's no way they (or Nick Cage) could've stopped them from happening, because they'd already "known" about them 50 years before. The movie has very deterministic flavour.

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'there's no way they (or Nick Cage) could've stopped them from happening, because they'd already "known" about them 50 years before.'

recast this idea in the form of christian apologia -- God knows about future suffering and apocalypse, yet why doesn't he stop it? SO IT IS WRITTEN, SO IT SHALL BE! In this way, God escapes culpability.

and in the end, the same excuse works on Cage. The aliens could have easily taken him along to planet skittles, but they're all, "no sorry, not in the script, old chap" and Cage pretty limply takes it and goes home to mope with his preacher dad, goin "aw shucks, i guess you were right after all, it's not God's fault when bad things happen, just like it's not these angelians fault they wouldn't let me hitch a ride on their spacemobile, and I was angry all this time for nuthin."

There were four aliens...

yeah but there were a few scenes where there just 1 or 2 were present -- those were Frank & Beau, the others weren't deemed worthy of naming

Beau was the one that vomited light, obviously

this is the most xian fucking movie i've ever seen that doesn't have jesus as a character, yeesh

xpost, I mention four as in horsemen.

@ Elvis Telecom - Larry Niven's "Inconstant Moon" was adapted as an episode of Outer Limits, and its available in its entirety at YouTube. Michael Gross (of sitcom Family Ties) lives out his last night waiting for a solar flare sunrise. Not bad as an adaptation, though its let down by low budget effects at the end.

this movie was ridiculously entertaining

This movie cured me of my cold.
I thought the bunnies might be a Con-Air reference, but what do I know...

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I thought this was pretty good! I mean, the whole story made absolutely no sense at all... If the aliens knew what was gonna happen 50 years ago, why did they come up with such a ridiculously complex plot to save a handful of kids (I take it there were two kids in all of those space ships in the end, even though the two main kids were all we saw) right before the end of the world? Why not just slowly ship folks away during those 50 years, so they could've saved more people? And why come upt with such silly way of passing the information instead of just, you know, telling the truth right from the beginning? But if you get past all the plot holes, the movie was quite entertaining to watch. I hadn't been spoiled about the plot, so it was genuinely cool to watch a movie were you really couldn't guess what's gonna happen next (no way did I see the movie ending with the destruction of the whole Earth). And Proyas is still great at coming up with arresting and scary cinema; those accident scenes were genuinely disturbing, and the finale looked absolutely gorgeous!

I think the Nick Cage is the best actor for these kind of films, because he can be totally earnest throughout the silliness. If the movie had had a nudge nudge wink wink, "you aren't really supposed to take this seriously" postmodern vibe, it would've just gone up its arse, and it would've been so much worse. You need to take it seriously for it to work, and Cage is perfect at portraying that seriousness. I mean, in the climax point of the movie the guy scrubbing paint away from an old cellar door to find out the cordinates scribbled to it by a school girl, which will lead him to the exact spot where space aliens will appear to rescue his son from the complete destruction of the Earth by the Sun, and when you write it down like this it's the stupidest thing you've ever heard, but when you're watching it on the screen you're there with him, and you totally believe in him, with all your heart, because he's Nick fucking Cage, and youre like, go Nick go! Scrub that paint! Scrub it!! Yeah!!

Because he's that good.

― Tuomas, Wednesday, August 12, 2009 3:45 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this is my all-time favorite tuomas post, by a country mile

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I thought this film was great, like a '50's B-Movie with Biblical overtones. And Nic Cage wears the same blazer he wears in every other movie. Still didn't quite understand why the alien/angels saved such lame kids.

This movie provided an excellent example of Nic Cage's primary acting technique, namely YELLING HIS LINES AT OTHER CHARACTERS.

http://s2.buzzfeed.com/static/imagebuzz/terminal01/2009/9/25/9/andre-the-cage-8095-1253884320-2.jpg

Knowing director has a new film in development called Dracula Year Zero.

x-post HAHAHAHAHA YES! I saw this thread had been revived and said to myself pls pls let someone have posted the Andre/Nick pic. LOL.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wle7aaKAF0

ok people watch the v end of this^ shit (whole thing is amazing but only the end is KNOWING)

Haha, they just swiped the whole scene from the movie!

haha yeah i remember that video came out like a week after i had rented Know1ng and had to like stop and rack my brain for a minute about where they jacked it from