words that you only ever read in science fiction

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he repeats himself a lot. even in the same paragraph. those books could have been cut down substantially by a good editor and you wouldn't have missed anything.

scott seward, Sunday, 15 September 2013 22:17 (ten years ago) link

I loved the Mars books, but read them as they originally came out, so had years-long gaps between the ice talk

ornamental cabbage (James Morrison), Monday, 16 September 2013 02:31 (ten years ago) link

Scott will enjoy KSR's new one, I'm sure, about a shaman in the Ice Age
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/P/1841499994.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

ornamental cabbage (James Morrison), Monday, 16 September 2013 02:32 (ten years ago) link

mmm...icy...

scott seward, Monday, 16 September 2013 03:28 (ten years ago) link

can we include fantasy too?

- eldritch

click here to start exploding (ledge), Monday, 16 September 2013 10:06 (ten years ago) link

there are a LOT of them in this M. John Harrison book I'm reading. Here, I will open a random page and demonstrate:

ki-gas
gamma-ablated
talc
three-finner

what's up ugly girls? (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 16 September 2013 16:40 (ten years ago) link

credits (as currency)

Øystein, Monday, 16 September 2013 17:02 (ten years ago) link

ESCARPMENT! jesus frackin' christ if i never see that word again it will be too soon. must be in the mars books 500,000 times.

so i've got 200 pages left of blue mars and i'm all of a sudden really digging nirgal hanging out with the feral space hippies. oh well, better late than never.

scott seward, Monday, 16 September 2013 17:06 (ten years ago) link

Enantiodromic

what's up ugly girls? (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 16 September 2013 17:12 (ten years ago) link

Enantiodromic

That was in Jung before it was in science fiction.

Plasteel

alimosina, Monday, 16 September 2013 18:53 (ten years ago) link

(something)-drive

alimosina, Monday, 16 September 2013 18:54 (ten years ago) link

deathdrive! sexdrive! Also sega megadrive!

Øystein, Monday, 16 September 2013 19:02 (ten years ago) link

You're right. Restrict it to somebody's name, or some pseudo-physics term.

alimosina, Monday, 16 September 2013 19:06 (ten years ago) link

can we include fantasy too?

Wyrd

alimosina, Monday, 16 September 2013 19:07 (ten years ago) link

not *only* in sf, but certain writers really cherish certain words

piers anthony: balk
stephen r. donaldson: thews
frank herbert: woolgathering

mookieproof, Monday, 16 September 2013 19:45 (ten years ago) link

i probably haven't read a piers anthony book since i was 13 but i still remember all the balking

mookieproof, Monday, 16 September 2013 19:46 (ten years ago) link

there are a LOT of them in this M. John Harrison book I'm reading. Here, I will open a random page and demonstrate:

ki-gas
gamma-ablated
talc
three-finner


Learned a lot of words from MJH. Will report later.

I Am the Cosimo Code (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 16 September 2013 20:10 (ten years ago) link

Lovecraft: gambrel
Asimov: the phrase "not one but" (meaning "all")

idembanana (abanana), Monday, 16 September 2013 20:24 (ten years ago) link

wub-fur

what's up ugly girls? (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 16 September 2013 20:29 (ten years ago) link

PKD had a bunch of these actually:

homeopape
servo-motor

what's up ugly girls? (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 16 September 2013 20:29 (ten years ago) link

Words you may discover in the works of M. John Harrison

1) Geological terminology:

Smoke and snow filled them, a pearly grey light like dawn over the tottering seracs of some marine glacier in the north beyond the North. It shivered and was wrenched away-
"Methvet Nian!"
Fused sand, and a sky filled with mica, the rolling dunes and dry saline wadis of the sempiternal erg.

I Am the Cosimo Code (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 17 September 2013 02:33 (ten years ago) link

2) Repurposed words given new futuristic meanings
&3) Tropes/phrases he likes to reuse

They had innumerable soldiers, shadow boys in cultivars, cheap teenage punks with guns. Also, in their antique briefcases, or big, soft leather purses, they each carried a Chambers reaction pistol.

I Am the Cosimo Code (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 17 September 2013 02:38 (ten years ago) link

2b)

And the Cray sisters appeared in the tank farm doorway, shaking their heads and reaching for the pieces in their purses.

I Am the Cosimo Code (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 17 September 2013 02:41 (ten years ago) link

4) Dated slang, precisely used

They wore double-breasted sharkskin suits with the jackets hanging open so you could see they were heeled
.

I Am the Cosimo Code (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 17 September 2013 02:47 (ten years ago) link

5) Gnostic or other mystical terminology such as "Pleroma." Don't have a copy of The Course of the Heart handy or I'd quote. But you can apparently buy a very cheap used volume called Anima containing both that and Signs of Life, which might be his two best books.

I Am the Cosimo Code (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 17 September 2013 02:55 (ten years ago) link

Finally there is this at the beginning of the first Viriconium book, The Pastel City

He wore a dark green velvet cloak, spun about him like a cocoon against the wind, a tabard of antique leather set with iridium studs over a white kid shirt; tight mazarine velvet trousers and high, soft boots of pale blue suede. Beneath the heavy cloak, his slim and deceptively delicate hands were curled into fists, weighted, as was the custom of the time, with heavy rings of nonprecious metals intagliated with involved cyphers and sphenograms.

I almost didn't make it past the first page, I hadn't had to look up so many words in an unabridged dictionary since reading Blood Meridian.

I Am the Cosimo Code (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 17 September 2013 03:15 (ten years ago) link

OK, now back to Appleseed, by John Clute, which is so full of these words it will necessitate liveblogging on this thread.

I Am the Cosimo Code (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 17 September 2013 03:22 (ten years ago) link

Hah, already got one from that book, "sophont," first used by- guess who? Poul Anderson.

I Am the Cosimo Code (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 17 September 2013 03:42 (ten years ago) link

wadis of the sempiternal erg

Next album title to the first taker. GO!

Tottenham Heelspur (in orbit), Tuesday, 17 September 2013 03:55 (ten years ago) link

And another, "fuligin," which he seems to have gotten from Gene Wolfe.

I Am the Cosimo Code (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 17 September 2013 03:56 (ten years ago) link

Think that was already a Macca remix album, Laurel.

I Am the Cosimo Code (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 17 September 2013 03:58 (ten years ago) link

homeworld (not seen in this book, yet )

I Am the Cosimo Code (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 17 September 2013 04:04 (ten years ago) link

Old-timey words otherwise most recently used for comedic effect by such writers as P.G. Wodehouse and S.J. Perelman such as "yclept."

I Am the Cosimo Code (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 17 September 2013 04:09 (ten years ago) link

_- terran_

^^This will be hard to top


OK, can't top it, but will also list the related "terraform"

I Am the Cosimo Code (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 17 September 2013 04:17 (ten years ago) link

OK, another example of archaic word just showed up in this book, "appaumy." Amusing discussion of this actual passage here: http://books.google.com/books?id=uJyXcehjHCAC&pg=PA192&lpg=PA192&dq=appaumy&source=bl&ots=eZRcBMGpSV&sig=7F64OpWZq_4r6_8VZfRZ64xiuUo&hl=en&sa=X&ei=1to3Uv27A8_a4AOh5YDoAg&ved=0CG0Q6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=appaumy&f=false

I Am the Cosimo Code (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 17 September 2013 04:32 (ten years ago) link

Same article but easier to get to without google books search: http://extropians.weidai.com/extropians/0302/2570.html

I Am the Cosimo Code (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 17 September 2013 05:23 (ten years ago) link

more from MJH

proteome
non-Abelian

what's up ugly girls? (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 17 September 2013 15:46 (ten years ago) link

Fused sand, and a sky filled with mica, the rolling dunes and dry saline wadis of the sempiternal erg.

this is just fucking magnificent

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 17 September 2013 15:49 (ten years ago) link

Forget it, Tracer, it's Viriconiumtown.

You never heard of non-Abelian before, Shakey? What kind of nerd are you?

I Am the Cosimo Code (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 17 September 2013 15:56 (ten years ago) link

the kind who was bad at math

what's up ugly girls? (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 17 September 2013 16:08 (ten years ago) link

"He wore a dark green velvet cloak, spun about him like a cocoon against the wind, a tabard of antique leather set with iridium studs over a white kid shirt; tight mazarine velvet trousers and high, soft boots of pale blue suede. Beneath the heavy cloak, his slim and deceptively delicate hands were curled into fists, weighted, as was the custom of the time, with heavy rings of nonprecious metals intagliated with involved cyphers and sphenograms."

I almost didn't make it past the first page, I hadn't had to look up so many words in an unabridged dictionary since reading Blood Meridian.

This seems interesting to me in terms of ~ reading strategies ~ -- like reading that (which I have done twice, I think, and I'm pretty sure never bothered with the dictionary) I feel like the narrator or implied author doesn't care too much if you follow precisely what's going on. (Like I want to claim that that's actually a part of the effect that Harrison's going for and insisting on reducing that bit of description to something that actually visually works is cheating him a little.)

♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Tuesday, 17 September 2013 17:00 (ten years ago) link

Moorcock is prone to similar descriptions of clothing

what's up ugly girls? (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 17 September 2013 17:38 (ten years ago) link

The phrase "intagliated with involved cyphers and sphenograms" just trips right off the tongue, don't it?

Aimless, Tuesday, 17 September 2013 17:51 (ten years ago) link

This seems interesting to me in terms of ~ reading strategies
Will be back later to address this

I Am the Cosimo Code (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 17 September 2013 18:09 (ten years ago) link

if it were a movie where, say riddick showed up in a costume that was similarly unfamiliar and semiotically dense, would it also be a tar trap to the audience's attention, where the intended focus is riddick punching people?
(i'm thinking that might actually be the case, hence the simplified tank top)

Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 17 September 2013 18:16 (ten years ago) link

zardoz.jpg

♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Friday, 20 September 2013 20:49 (ten years ago) link

but, i mean, semiotic denseness is harrison's intended focus -- it's not a book about tegeus-Cromis stabbing ppl

♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Friday, 20 September 2013 20:50 (ten years ago) link

So u r saying the rest of us are naive, literal-minded readers, thomp?

I Am the Cosimo Code (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 22 September 2013 22:39 (ten years ago) link

Another one from MJH, from "Settling the World," the first story in Things That Never Happen:

My very first glimpse of God's Own Road awaited me; the scent of my Palaeonophis mingled deliciously what the scent of the sea

in which the unfamiliar word seems to come from an H. G. Wells story called "The Flowering of the Strange Orchid."

I Am the Cosimo Code (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 22 September 2013 22:50 (ten years ago) link

yeah, me too

Jazz Telemachy (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 18 December 2019 13:00 (four years ago) link

maybe that’s another thread, for words like that and “waldo.” There’s also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ansible_(software)?wprov=sfti1

Jazz Telemachy (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 18 December 2019 13:02 (four years ago) link

"Iris" as a verb. ("The door irised open")

Øystein, Wednesday, 18 December 2019 14:32 (four years ago) link

didn’t RAH famously come up with that?

The Soundtrack of Burl Ives (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 30 December 2019 01:34 (four years ago) link

Cranch

Οὖτις, Monday, 30 December 2019 01:59 (four years ago) link

apparently that is a real last name but yeah.

The story also makes reference to “the wire of Eustace Cranch.”

The Soundtrack of Burl Ives (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 30 December 2019 02:15 (four years ago) link

wait, I just happen to own the Cordwainer Smith concordance, let me look in that.

The Soundtrack of Burl Ives (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 30 December 2019 02:21 (four years ago) link

which quotes this from J. J. Pierce’s intro in The Best of:

At the time Smith wrote the story in 1945, there was an abandoned shop in his neighborhood called the Little Cranch—what “cranch” meant, he had no idea—but he used the word anyway.

The Soundtrack of Burl Ives (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 30 December 2019 02:31 (four years ago) link

then adding that “cranch” is a variant of “craunch” which I see in other sources seems to be an ancestor of “crunch.” /themoreyouknow

The Soundtrack of Burl Ives (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 30 December 2019 02:35 (four years ago) link

And here I thought all along it had something to do with Lucas Cranach.

The Soundtrack of Burl Ives (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 30 December 2019 02:36 (four years ago) link

Cranch, won’t pick it up

The Soundtrack of Burl Ives (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 30 December 2019 02:39 (four years ago) link

didn’t RAH famously come up with that?

I didn't remember that, but Googling certainly makes it seems that way.
Though I also found this prickly quotation from page 68 of _Social and Virtual Space: Science Fiction, Transnationalism, and the American New Right_
By Laura Chernaik:
https://i.imgur.com/8pOLBSM.png

Øystein, Monday, 30 December 2019 10:44 (four years ago) link

oh right the original was “dilated.” Still...

The Soundtrack of Burl Ives (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 30 December 2019 12:17 (four years ago) link

i thought iris as a verb was used early in the movie industry to describe the wipe

Bojo Rabid (Noodle Vague), Monday, 30 December 2019 12:27 (four years ago) link

torus

mookieproof, Monday, 30 December 2019 12:41 (four years ago) link

“strato-“ as a prefix

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 30 December 2019 12:44 (four years ago) link

i thought iris as a verb was used early in the movie industry to describe the wipe

yeah, I wondered about that too. Although I feel like I usually saw it as noun rather than verb but not really sure.

The Soundtrack of Burl Ives (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 30 December 2019 12:58 (four years ago) link

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iris_shot

"iris out" and "iris in" are usually noun phrases -- "the film ends with an iris out" -- that encourage the belief in "iris" can act as a verb with "in" or "out" as its adverb: "let's end the film by irising out"

mark s, Monday, 30 December 2019 13:07 (four years ago) link

Thanks for, um, irising in, Mark.

The Soundtrack of Burl Ives (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 30 December 2019 13:24 (four years ago) link

offworld

Manitobiloba (Kim), Monday, 30 December 2019 14:44 (four years ago) link

The f-stop aperture of cameras was known as an iris decades before sci-fi got hold of the term.
https://tubularinsights.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/f-stop-scale.gif

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool (Sanpaku), Monday, 30 December 2019 16:45 (four years ago) link

"as a verb"

mark s, Monday, 30 December 2019 16:51 (four years ago) link

the element in a camera is anyway transferred from the anatomical region that surrounds the pupil in the eye, so-called (since 1525 via SOED) bcz it is rainbow coloured, iris being the greek goddess of the rainbow -- and "irised" did actually pre-exist (acc.SOED, i've never spotted it) as a poetic verb meaning "exhibited the characteristics of a rainbow"

so there's a quadruple meaning transference, which is fun: from name-of-a-god to colour quality to mechanism (purposive-muscular) to mechanism (purposive-mechanical) to mechanism (similar mechanism different purpose)

mark s, Monday, 30 December 2019 17:01 (four years ago) link

El show de Iris Chacon to thread!

The Soundtrack of Burl Ives (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 30 December 2019 20:53 (four years ago) link

lidar

mookieproof, Monday, 30 December 2019 22:42 (four years ago) link

there's a lot of lidar talk in 1491! which, okay, does read a bit like science fiction in places

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 30 December 2019 23:22 (four years ago) link


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