jenny mccarthy wants your kid to get measles: autism, vaccines, and stupid idiots

OK I can't resist

http://www.healthline.com/health-news/children-texas-megachurch-measles-vaccination-082613

http://www.salon.com/2013/09/17/the_most_depressing_discovery_about_the_brain_ever_partner/

Why arguments about vaccines, gun safety, and empirical evidence why your favorite band blows goats will never change anyone's mind:

'...Denial is business-as-usual for our brains. More and better facts don’t turn low-information voters into well-equipped citizens. It just makes them more committed to their misperceptions. In the entire history of the universe, no Fox News viewers ever changed their minds because some new data upended their thinking. When there’s a conflict between partisan beliefs and plain evidence, it’s the beliefs that win. The power of emotion over reason isn’t a bug in our human operating systems, it’s a feature.'

ARRGGHHHHHH!

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Vaccinations Are Not Immunizations
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There is only one kind of immunity and that is natural immunity which is achieved by battling the infectious diseases itself. Vaccination is merely the artificial triggering of temporary responses to manmade pathogens. Vaccines are both harmful and dangerous and are leading to generations of humans…
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D_____________ But vaccines cause immunity. Sure, some just boost your immunity,therefore decreasing your chance of having symptoms, but nonetheless they are preventing diseases all over the world and you can't deny that. We have to think about the greater good, not just ourselves when we have these debates, whether they are "good" for us or a "risk" for us or not. Don't you think?
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N__________ The article explains the difference between vaccines and immunity, hence it's title. It also presents information about how vaccines' efficacy rates are skewed. I think there is a lot of misinformation out there. And people should be informed about both sides of the issue rather than passively taking all of the information handed down from the mainstream media and the dogma of the medical establishment.

ridiculous

I can't wait for a return to widespread outbreaks of polio, whooping cough, measles, rubella and all those other fun diseases.

I really shouldn't wish polio on anyone, but these people are pushing my limits

xpost It's happening!

I dont understand how people get around vaccinations. My experience is that pediatricians insist on it and schools (daycare and elementary) wont enroll your kid without an up to date vacc. sheet

religious exemptions, mostly

We just a note from one of my daughter's teachers that they can't find proof of her polio vaccine. We have a week to get it to them, then they kick her out of school!

then they kick her out of school?!

Well, we obviously got the vaccine, years ago. But they have to give us fair warning to produce the proof!

yeah weve gotten similar notes when weve forgotten to include the vacc sheet. You got one week or your kid is out.

religious exemptions, mostly

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ahhh. which of the wonderful religions doesnt believe in health? im guessing scientology for one.

They don't believe in mental health, at least.

Aren't Seventh Day Adventists the ones that don't go to doctors/hospitals?

Christian Scientists, afaik. I can't remember all the quirks of 7DAs—was friends with a kid in a 7DA family in my neighborhood in the 80s—but they take that Saturday = Sabbath thing SERIOUSLY.

7th Day Adventists run their own hospitals sometimes, so no.

They are prone to vegetarianism, though.

christian scientists don't do docs. idk what kind of thelogical wiggle room they have, or their vax stance.

there's no pattern. my understanding is that some rando evangelical/non-denom/free churches have gone anti-vax

though after a few dozen congregants get measles, maybe they wise up...

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/08/23/texas-measles-outbreak/2693945/

this is from aug 25th:

In an Aug. 15 statement, Eagle Mountain's pastor, Terri Pearsons, said she still has some reservations about vaccines. "The concerns we have had are primarily with very young children who have family history of autism and with bundling too many immunizations at one time," she said.

this is from aug 26th:

http://www.healthline.com/health-news/children-texas-megachurch-measles-vaccination-082613

"Pastor Terri Copeland Pearsons, daughter of Kenneth Copeland, announced in a sermon last week that the church will be hosting vaccination clinics and urged her congregation to attend."

thanks for barely more than nothing you nut

(figured that church measles story might be posted itt already but i didn't scroll up very far)

They are prone to vegetarianism, though.

Yeah, the first time I ever had tofu was at my 7DA friend's house.

I'm going to rep again for Erich Goode's The Paranormal. He makes the great point that different cultures use different methods and standards for proving something true, and that epistemology is culturally selected. Folks who believe in new age bollocks or homeopathy or angels or vax conspiracies look for one incident or anecdote to prove it true.

Using science and empirical testing to prove something to them contrary to their belief structure doesn't work, similar to how anecdotes won't change the mind of somebody with actual training. Again, valid epistemologies are culturally formed.

Looky Looky what is currently at the top of my fb feed: http://www.younglivingsuccess.com/vaccinations/

Thanx Cool Girl Back In High School Who's Now Born Again AND A Mom!

Vaccines are both harmful and dangerous and are leading to generations of humans

agree, v v bad thing

Do you find that most of your high school fb friend who've gone hard xtian never moved away from your hometown? Or, if so, not very far? Because that seems to be the case about 95% among my high school fb friends.

And people should be informed about both sides of the issue rather than passively taking all of the information handed down from the mainstream media and the dogma of the medical establishment.

twas a time where there were standards for being condescending about some nonsense you read about on the 'net 5 minutes earlier. kids these days ain't even goin to Drudge Report anymore, sad sad days

xpost That is true. Of course, I always chalked it up to Osteen having his shop in our metro area, but I can see it being more widespread than that.

I sing in a professional c@roling company and not everyone in the group is religious, but most at least carry your garden variety Protestant affiliation, or are "Unitarians", but there is this one extreme nut in the group who believes studies prove that homosexuals have significantly shorter lifespans and are prone to violence. I am betting her views on vaccination mirror the above.

Do you find that most of your high school fb friend who've gone hard xtian never moved away from your hometown? Or, if so, not very far? Because that seems to be the case about 95% among my high school fb friends.

They've either stayed in town or moved to the South.

I came across a lady online who is against certain vaccines because they are made from aborted fetuses or something.

apparently this truthtv site that my fb friend keeps posting from also has an "illuminati" section

(Biased Medical Establishment person)

I realize it's shooting fish in a barrel full of stupid, stupid fish, but if I may, there was one thing that really stood out as even stupider than usual

Graphs show that the tuberculosis virus itself was on a steady and gradual decline. It was eliminating itself from the world, until they introduced vaccines, and now it's on the rise.

1) No, that's actually not what graphs show.
http://i42.tinypic.com/10qhq45.jpg
Lots of other solid graphs about TB here: http://www.smccd.edu/accounts/case/biol675/images/TB.html

Worldwide it did go up a bit in the 1980s, but, y'know, AIDS
http://www.who.int/gho/tb/epidemic/tb_001.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/13/TB_incidence.png/320px-TB_incidence.png (This is a prevalence graph, more people were not dying because of quad therapy)

2) Tuberculosis is not a fucking virus. (It's a mycobacterium!)

3) Tuberculosis has been around probably forever (unlike HIV, which we can kinda date, and syphilis, which we sort of can), and still is basically one of the three most deadly infectious diseases in the world (HIV and malaria)

The nugget of truth inside #1 is that TB deaths fell even more impressively before 1948 (starting point on your graph) than after. Like this:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Ztv8fdxhkA0/UlKknQLLUpI/AAAAAAAAAE8/mG2Pm5_LKv8/s1600/Screen+Shot+2013-10-07+at+7.33.32+PM.png

Similar patterns are found for many infectious diseases in the developed world over that time frame, pre-antibiotics and (most) vaccines. Credit is usually given to improved public health and decreased urban crowding.

OTOH it's worth pointing out that the pre-industrial revolution prevalence and lethality of those same diseases was considerably lower, those higher numbers in the 19th century aren't "natural" in other contexts.

presumably for similar reasons - early industrial cities were hugely unhealthy?

Rest assured, my daughter now has her polio papers in order. Weirdly enough, none of the people I talked to seemed terribly sympathetic that a letter threatening to kick her out of school might have made me a little agitated.

I have a friend who is 40 who recently went back to school, and even she had to dig up all her own dusty vaccinations records, many of which the administration could not totally figure out, because I guess back then some of them were called different things, or noted differently.

Most TB cases I've heard of lately relate a lot to our lovely prison-industrial complex and overcrowding in jails.

2) Tuberculosis is not a fucking virus. (It's a mycobacterium!)

jeez why get lost in the details when there's truth to be exposed

Everybody enjoys their "I have some stuff you should read" phases of life, it's just that some people never actually get around to the actual reading part.

Most TB cases I've heard of lately relate a lot to our lovely prison-industrial complex and overcrowding in jails.

Homeless shelters, too. Really, anywhere you have a lot of people living close together.

oh, most certainly. the economic difficulties and aggressive sentencing of the last 20 years has not really helped the whole TB thing

Some cross over with another thing ilx loves:

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can't tell if pro or anti socialised healthcare

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http://theincidentaleconomist.com/wordpress/delaying-vaccinations-is-stupid/
http://archpedi.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=1750202

I've Got Whooping Cough. Thanks a Lot, Jenny McCarthy.

I thought I'd hidden all this shit on FB, but sometimes it sneaks thru:

http://usahitman.com/frwngafs/

With a name like USAhitman.com, it's _gotta_ be good.

"Five Reasons Why I'll Never Get a Flu Shot"

You can wade through the abstract at The Lancet here.

i don't know, this could take me all day. who has time to read entire abstracts?

I just found a page at UMN to summarize it for me instead.
The authors' main conclusion is that use of existing flu vaccines should continue, but better ones are needed.

yeah that sounds like it doesn't work in 98% of cases to me

i was being sarcastic -- abstracts are not long, and they can be very misleading if you don't have a good background in whatever the paper is about. anyone who refers to an abstract = they do not know what they're talking about

that said, there is a difference between relative effectiveness and absolute effectiveness, and surely we wish the flu vaccines were more effective (and that more people chose to be vaccinated). but given they they're virtually devoid of serious adverse effects, it's well-accepted that the benefit significantly outweighs the risk, and everyone should get one