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Nice going, Chris. I might have to give it a go. I tried a bit of play poker in my lunch break, and it's like decaf coffee, or talcum powder heroin. It's just not the same.

Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 31 March 2005 12:06 (nineteen years ago) link

I've actually capped myself on the $$$$ I throw into my PokerRoom kitty every week - it's way too tempting to, say, join a table w/ $10 dollars, get two pair, go all in, get beat by a guy w/ pocket 4s w/ a 4 on the turn, and then throw in ANOTHER $10, and then get beat again, and then etc etc etc. I should try Mark's strategy (playing the single-table tourneys till I'm satisfied), though it'll take me a loooooong while to get back in the black (well, about 20-25 3rd place finishes @ the $5 tables).

I like the multi-table tourneys, because it's longer, there's more of an investment, there's more chance of a big payout, there's a sense of being part of SOMETHING BIG, and the one time I finished in the money in a tourney (after almost 3 hours of play), it felt like I had, um, beat death? Even if it was only for $29. I DID IT MANG.

Also, I seem to have 8 hours to kill all the time, even though I'm working full-time & writing on the side - usually, I just throw on some MP3s, get a glass of water & maybe some snacky foods, and ready my cursor over the FOLD button for the next hour+. (If I make it out of the first hour, I consider it a moral victory.) (If I make it through Hour Two, I consider it sheer luck.)

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 31 March 2005 13:06 (nineteen years ago) link

hey i got all the time in the world as im back on short term disability for my knee. between MVP Baseball and poker im sure to fry my brain.

Chris 'The Nuts' V (Chris V), Thursday, 31 March 2005 13:10 (nineteen years ago) link

i went into a $1 tournament on ladbrokes once, and came 11th... and thus won the princely sum of $1.20 back

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 31 March 2005 22:42 (nineteen years ago) link

Because I love you guys...

www.ultimatepokerbankroll.com

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 31 March 2005 22:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Thanks Dom - that looks fascinating, but maybe a bit overcomplex and, I reckon, relies on a certain level of talent.

Having said that, after spazzing out of a tourney in 10th and, with my 2nd attempt, getting down to $400 (notional) with no-one else under £1k, I managed to pull of an unlikely win, which has had the effect of raising my account to a record $67! Admittedly $10 of this was pokerroom.com's bonus, but hell.

Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 31 March 2005 23:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Thinks are still going well - up to $98 after a 3rd and a 1st last night. Though thw in was sullied by the guy in 2nd place losing his connection - in the end the blinds did for him, all I did was sat there and collected. But still, $25.

(I suspect when Sgs is in the States I might enter a few multi-table tourneys - then I won't be disturbing anyone if I stay up till 5am playing...)

How are you all doing? Y'all give us an update!

Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 7 April 2005 12:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Sucking wind. I'm limiting myself to $30 a week, lest I sucumb to poker rage when I get beat by three 2s. Last week, that $30 lasted approximately 2 hours and 5 minutes. I think tonight (or tomorrow) is when the new week starts anew, so I might get another chance to lose more cash. Total earnings = -$250+. I try to stay away from the real money tables, but they've been good to me as much as they've jobbed me. And then, in the single-table tourneys, I get jobbed (usually by my own hubris) (or by suckouts) (I think I'm part black cat).

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 7 April 2005 13:07 (nineteen years ago) link

David, the way I seem to be making tourneys work for me (I have less than 2 months poker-playing experience so I'm totally still learning) is by playing the first one (on the lowest-money tables) fairly loose and learning from my mistakes. It's a kind of warm-up - I seem to need a good 30 mins play before I'm seeing the cards and the opponents clearly.

Also, don't bet against someone who is consistently but unostentatiously raising - every single bad game I have, I lose all my $$$ by being overconfident with my 2 Queens or whatever.

If you feel it's going away from you, rein yourself in - fold all but the best hands, but maybe play a little looser on the ones where you've paid the blinds/where everyone else has folded.

I'm sure the advice of a mediocre beginner like me ain't worth diddly, but that's what has worked for me in its own small way. Losing $5.50 in one game and then winning $15 or $25 in the next seems to be my MO, and it's one I'm pretty happy with.

Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 7 April 2005 13:21 (nineteen years ago) link

i've just won one.

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 7 April 2005 19:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Mark, that's very sensible advice, esp. "watch out for the consistent even-keeled raiser". That's usually where I go wrong, even when I have a pocket pair higher than any card on the draw (cf. getting beat by three 2s). I hate it, tho, when I'm stuck at a table where some jerk is raising all the live-long day, & I know s/he's bluffing, and I'm stuck w/ crap cards.

I tend to play loosey-goosey before the blinds go up to $50 / $100, & then I tighten up. My problem is getting burned during the loosey-goosey stage by a decent hand, & me not recognizing what could be out there to beat me. (I'm always afraid of being bluffed out of a pot, w/ usually gets me in deep shit more often than it gets me a win.)

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 7 April 2005 20:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, I'm exactly the same. 90% of my fuck-ups are because I think I should be able to bully someone out of the pot, and the reason I *can't* is because they've got a fantastic hand (someone totally understatedly took me to the limits of bankrupcy last night when I went all gung-ho and confident and they had four of a kind).

Let the bluffers win sometimes, but keep an eagle eye out for when their hands are revealed and it proves that they bluff.

Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 7 April 2005 20:28 (nineteen years ago) link

David, the way I see it, the blinds change for everyone equally, so I try and play in a largely similar style even when the blinds go up. There's a small but noticeable advantage in doing this, in that the people who *are* intimidated by the blinds increasing are more likely, for a time at least, to be bullyable into folding when perhaps they shouldn't.

I just won another $5 + $.50 tourney (bringing my tourney profit to $71 after 38 tourneys - yes, I am anal, but it helps me keep tabs). I'm beginning to think of moving to $10 + $1 - anyone want to give me reasons why I shouldn't?

Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 7 April 2005 22:10 (nineteen years ago) link

(NB that means my bankroll is a bit down on cash games, i.e. with you bunch of hustlers.)

Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 7 April 2005 22:13 (nineteen years ago) link

I've switched to no limit recently. Am I a coward? If so, I'm a coward with more money than he used to have.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 7 April 2005 22:28 (nineteen years ago) link

I always play no limit. So much more freedom. The first few times I played Hold 'Em, it was pot limit, and I can't tell you how many times I wish I could've flexed more muscle w/ a bet to either scare people off or establish my authoritah. Sure, you can get bit by the same type of strategy (cf. the really high pre-flop raises, or getting into a showdown shortstacked when you're not sure you have the best hand), but the advantages outweight the drawbacks if you know how to do yr thing.

Also - belated congrats to Ken on his win! Wooo! Moolah!

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 8 April 2005 00:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Dom, no limit is a much fuller game - you win more because you have the balls and the perception to play the other players, and less because you have the best cards. There is a certain anal pleasure (as it were) in playing the percentages in a limit game, knowing the ranking of every hand, the odds of an out coming up - but no limit is a magnitude more absorbing for the depth of tactics, for mental strength, and for the chance to be a complete unreconstructed bully.

(I've discovered that if you get called a bully during play, you're doing something right)

Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 8 April 2005 08:20 (nineteen years ago) link

After I finished playing last night, I clicked on a multi-table tournament that was down to its last 6 players, to see how the stronger players play. It was very quick, there was a lot of folding, raising rather than calling, and very few hands actually got to the river.

Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 8 April 2005 08:22 (nineteen years ago) link

I got my check for $800 in the mail yesterday. good times. my step father won a real poker table from a scratch ticket, its all mine.

Chris 'The Nuts' V (Chris V), Friday, 8 April 2005 12:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh, yeah - I won $12 playing poker w/ friends in real time. Of course, one player was busy flirting w/ a co-worker (& raising pre-flop like a punk douche when he deigned to participate), one player was busy fighting w/ her boyfriend (also playing) & taking 15-minute bathroom breaks every 20 minutes, and one player had no idea what he was doing. (The other guy that made $$$ won $48.)

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 8 April 2005 12:42 (nineteen years ago) link

Chris, what does your final sentence mean?

I love talking about poker. I have become a complete poker bore/evangelist.

The only time I've played real life poker, I got pwned by Sgs.

Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 8 April 2005 16:04 (nineteen years ago) link

After I finished playing last night, I clicked on a multi-table tournament that was down to its last 6 players, to see how the stronger players play. It was very quick, there was a lot of folding, raising rather than calling, and very few hands actually got to the river.

This is OTM. I fucked up royally in head-to-head play this past week with my regular group. I was short-stacked and hit a straight draw on the flop. I read my opponent as having a weak hand with a low pair (and I was right), but I kept calling his bets instead of raising him. I didn't hit an overpair OR the straight, so I went all-in on the river, he read it (correctly) as a bluff, and that was that.

Stupid. As Markelby noted, the correct play was to go all-in after the flop, or fold.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Friday, 8 April 2005 16:18 (nineteen years ago) link

depends on the hand

ken c (ken c), Friday, 8 April 2005 16:55 (nineteen years ago) link

MY LUCK: Get pocket 5s, & a 5 on the flop, and get beat by a guy that had pocket 7s w/ a 7 on the flop! whatEVer.

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 8 April 2005 20:48 (nineteen years ago) link

HOSED

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 8 April 2005 23:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Read an article in the paper (yes, that's right, poker coverage in the paper), about Annie Duke saying that she was always worried about people overvaluing their small pairs, even after they turn into trips post-flop. Not that it's really related, but it reminds me of my friend telling me about a tournament he played in where he had AK with a flop of K74 unsuited. AK went all-in, AA all-in behind him, my friend went all-in with AK, and then 44 called and won. Tell you the truth, I don't know if I'd have called with the trip 4's after 3 all-ins, depending on pre-flop play.

mr. drew (mr. drew), Friday, 8 April 2005 23:42 (nineteen years ago) link

Tip of the day: SportingBet.com. This poker room has the worst players in history. Guy has T2, the flop is TJQ, and he RERAISES CONTINUALLY TO THE END. Fucker deserved to get smacked down.

Anyone signing up there's some split bonus for referals so just let me know and I'll give you my username.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 8 April 2005 23:46 (nineteen years ago) link

You want us to sign up to play w/ the worst players in history? That doesn't sound like fun!

David R. (popshots75`), Saturday, 9 April 2005 07:21 (nineteen years ago) link

It's fun for your bank balance.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 9 April 2005 08:12 (nineteen years ago) link

I am obviously thick as pigshit, but what is "T"?

I was looking at a comparison site yesterday that rated all the major poker sites. Pokerroom.com gets a good all round report, but several other sites seem to have much stupider players who you can screw for vast amounts of money. I dunno if that should tempt me away from pokerroom, where I feel pretty comfortable. But, y'know, sign up bonuses, suckers, it's tempting...

Markelby (Mark C), Saturday, 9 April 2005 11:28 (nineteen years ago) link

T is ten. Blame David Sklansky for that.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 9 April 2005 11:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Thanks Dom.

Had a poor night tonight, playing lick a dick (genuine typo, so I'm leaving it in) and coming 5th twice. I pretty much know when I made my mistakes, but even so, it brought home how not very good I am at this game. I'm sure I'll be playing again tomorrow night, though.

Markelby (Mark C), Saturday, 9 April 2005 23:08 (nineteen years ago) link

I am a red-headed stepchild, and poker is a stern taskmaster wielding an oak paddle.

David R. (popshots75`), Sunday, 10 April 2005 00:50 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm playing like a cunt today. I don't deserve to win. Ever.

Markelby (Mark C), Sunday, 10 April 2005 18:36 (nineteen years ago) link

First "down" day in a week for me. I need to stop suffering one bluff early on, and then assuming every other big pot is being bluffed thereafter.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 10 April 2005 19:40 (nineteen years ago) link

I finally won a tourney after three unplaced efforts tonight. So I'm up today (just) but down for the weekend. I'm still too scared to play a ring game, though - scared of the unpredictable effects on my bankroll, I think. Also, I tend to play like a retarded baby foal for the first 45 mins of any given session.

Markelby (Mark C), Sunday, 10 April 2005 21:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Finished 2nd in a $5 tourney, and THEN lost w/ 3 Qs because some moron decided to call my preflop reraise w/ 85 suited, & flopped a straight! I HATE STUPID PEOPLE AND THEIR BUSH-LIKE LUCK.

David R. (popshots75`), Sunday, 10 April 2005 21:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Amen brother. If I see one more river making a pair like sevens and threes ever again, I'm going to cry.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 10 April 2005 21:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Just played a few practice hands of play poker on pokerroom.com AND MY PLAY BANKROLL IS FUCKED UP! I won about $2,000 - my account says I lost $800. Obv I'm not fussed about play money, but does this imply that there's some software bug (presumably they use the same software for play & real money) that doesn't always update your cash account properly?

I was that lucky person* tonight. Three times I go all in with A or K high; three times the other dude makes a lower pair on the flop; three times I make a pair with my higher card on the turn. He was not impressed.

*but not lucky and stupid. Just lucky.

Markelby (Mark C), Sunday, 10 April 2005 21:53 (nineteen years ago) link

Just one small tourney tonight, in which I came 3rd. BUT, up till the last half dozen or so hands (a couple of sloppy hands had me down, and the other guy's pocket aces and ace oin the flop had me out), I felt it was the best I've played to date.

I was sensible, aggressive when necessary, folded well, bet well and backed off if I needed to. More than that, I identified early on the three other players I thought were actually playing decently (the others were clearly just calling stations). When it came to the last 4, it was me and the three I'd picked. And the steady, unflashy guy who'd I'd marked down as the dark horse got gradually more confident and aggressive, and played a masterful game to take the win.

A profit of $4.50 isn't worth talking about. But the comfort I felt in the room is. If I feel this way in a few games times, it'll be time to move to the dizzy heights of (gasp) $10 + $1 games...

Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 11 April 2005 22:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Also, limit hold'em, which felt so safe when I first started, now seems so limp and lifeless. Maybe if I was better at maths I'd get more of a kick out of it.

Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 11 April 2005 22:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Limit hold'em is my game, but, yeah, it really is a maths game rather than a poker game.

The biggest pot I played tonight I lost heads up to a four of a kind (fours). I had full house (aces full of fours). Bastard.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 11 April 2005 22:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Explain me how there were six fours in that deck of cards.

Curious George (1/6 Scale Model) (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 00:52 (nineteen years ago) link

when you play texas hold'em, five cards are dealt in the middle as "community" cards (face up), and the players each have 2 hold cards (face down).

The idea is to have the best 5 card hand out of those 7 cards. (so if there are two fours in the middle, you can have a four of a kind and full house with 4s.

ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 01:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Okay, I'm a moron. I played so much stud and draw poker when I was younger, it's hard to get used to Hold 'Em being the ubiquitous poker game now. D'oh!

Curious George (1/6 Scale Model) (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 01:24 (nineteen years ago) link

i've started playing on the nyc underground poker club circuit. so much fun! i'm up a hundred or so thus far.

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 02:26 (nineteen years ago) link

do you actually play poker on underground trains?

ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 07:20 (nineteen years ago) link

How does that work, Yancey? Is it real life poker? I'd be scared rigid, I think. Though a colleague is organising a casino night soon, and I want to be able to play poker there. Any and all tips appreciated, especially etiquette, betting processes etc.

Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 08:53 (nineteen years ago) link

all the poker tables in casino seems to be stud poker

ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 09:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Even with the recent explosion in hold'em's popularity? I don't know how to play stud, so that's a no-no, but hold'em...

Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 11:29 (nineteen years ago) link


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