A Good Day In Hell - The Official ILM Track-By-Track EAGLES Listening Thread

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There are definitely better Eagles songs. This is pretty wimpy stuff.

Pretty cool to see them on the California Jam stage in that clip from the very camera that Ritchie Blackmore would destroy only a few hours later.

One Way Ticket on the 1277 Express (Bill Magill), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 15:04 (three years ago) Permalink

it should be noted that this is a standard country and bluegrass song to cover. thousands of country and bluegrass performers have covered this song over the years.

scott seward, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 15:12 (three years ago) Permalink

On A Dark Desert Highway: A Vocal Bluegrass Tribute to the Eagles offers heartfelt versions of the band’s greatest songs with soaring harmonies and delightful pickin’ on the banjo, mandolin, dobro and guitar. You won’t believe how beautiful these songs sound in the hands (and throats) of some of the best Bluegrass musicians in the business. If the Eagles had settled in W. Virginia instead of California, this is how their music would have sounded!

http://www.cmhrecords.com/web/images/products/8917_lrg.jpg

scott seward, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 15:17 (three years ago) Permalink

do you think that jackson browne oould live off of "take it easy" royalties? not that he has to. but if he had to. i'm going to say yes.

i have a friend whose father wrote a famous song - in the 40's! - and i was kinda impressed by how much money it made the family in a year. not enough to live on, but not nothing either. its a very famous song.

scott seward, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 15:23 (three years ago) Permalink

"loosen my load" is such a gross-sounding phrase

what's up ugly girls? (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 16:06 (three years ago) Permalink

Oh man, I never even thought of the sexual connotation there before.

cops on horse (WilliamC), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 16:07 (three years ago) Permalink

the only thing i have to say in favor of the eagles is that at least they were kinda pleasantly sleazy

no fomo (La Lechera), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 16:10 (three years ago) Permalink

just a ragtag band of misfits...

scott seward, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 16:15 (three years ago) Permalink

yeah everything about this song is gross, which is compounded by its expert execution. no doubt dudes could harmonize, but not well enough to make me overlook the material or sentiments expressed.... I can think of other harmony or country acts whose singing is so beautiful and intense that it creates a compelling contrast with otherwise bothersome lyrical content, this tension becomes part of the appeal. But the Eagles are not the Louvin Brothers or the Beach Boys. They aren't weird or damaged or desperate enough, nor are they beatific or angelic enough, they're just gross.

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what's up ugly girls? (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 16:19 (three years ago) Permalink

at least they weren't trying to sell us abstinence like the malevolent mumford banjo mafia

no fomo (La Lechera), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 16:23 (three years ago) Permalink

• I have the best memory of a buddy finally going insane at two in the morning during a poker game when "Take It Easy" comes on and he can't stop laughing over "running down the road, tryin' to loosen my load."

• Rich Hall has this chapter in his Vanishing America about going to Winslow, Ariz., and waiting for a girl in a flatbed Ford to slow down and take a look at him. He gets a ride with her and asks about Jackson Browne. "Kinda quiet," she says and he replies, yeah, that's what he's heard too.

• I'm sure I'll get into it later, but background vocals on Eagles songs scare the shit out of me.

pplains, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 16:29 (three years ago) Permalink

Ok, I think I'm gonna lose my shit about "loosen my load" now.

how's life, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 16:31 (three years ago) Permalink

everything about the arrangement is so uptight, SOMETHING'S gotta get loosened amirite

what's up ugly girls? (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 16:33 (three years ago) Permalink

I imagine a constipated Yosemite Sam running through Roadrunner territory.

pplains, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 16:36 (three years ago) Permalink

Mumford does not take it easy, which sort of makes them worse. The Eagles were hilariously smug and arrogant making lite music. Mumford delivers its music with that annoying faux gravitas, as if it was Important. I'm sure the Eagles though they were Important, too, but only after enough people told them they were, and that probably only came after they were hugely successful and everyone around them was too afraid to say otherwise. "Wow, guys, 'Hotel California' really is like holding up a mirror to America. Like you said, it's about the American dream, but also the American nightmare!"

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 16:36 (three years ago) Permalink

Song does nothing for me, and never did. Really, the Doobies' "Listen To The Music" is my own personal substitute for "Take It Easy" (not only banjo, it's got steel drums too!) for that 1972 west coast highway-driving feel.

The phrase "There's a girl, my lord, in a flatbed Ford" does sing nice.

Sir Lord Baltimora (Myonga Vön Bontee), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 16:55 (three years ago) Permalink

I won't participate unless Ned does.

I am avoiding this shit like the plague. Aside from this post, obv.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 16:56 (three years ago) Permalink

All right, everyone. Ned's in.

pplains, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 17:06 (three years ago) Permalink

Being from California, these are the songs of your people, correct?

pplains, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 17:06 (three years ago) Permalink

Only Eagle actually from California was Timothy Schmit.

how's life, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 17:09 (three years ago) Permalink

Listen, this isn't the place to start on any of your anti-immigrant rhetoric.

pplains, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 17:11 (three years ago) Permalink

Being from California, these are the songs of your people, correct?

I take great umbrage at this suggestion, good sir

what's up ugly girls? (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 17:16 (three years ago) Permalink

Sorry to get all Soft Rock Civil Defense Corps on you.

how's life, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 17:17 (three years ago) Permalink

All native Californians are from Iowa iirc

Sir Lord Baltimora (Myonga Vön Bontee), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 17:25 (three years ago) Permalink

"Listen To The Music" is my own personal substitute for "Take It Easy"

i love "listen to the music" to death. its an amazing song when all is sad and done. and the production is arguably just as tightassed as eagles but somehow it opens up into a field of infinite possibilities by the time you get to the psych break where the lazy flowing river does something to the castles in the sky.

scott seward, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 17:28 (three years ago) Permalink

lighten up while you still can

reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 17:30 (three years ago) Permalink

apparently frey came up with the flatbed ford line.

http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_images/1/2179/3261/5446630016_large.jpg

scott seward, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 17:34 (three years ago) Permalink

oh fuck, where is my statues thread.

http://maxmccoy.com/blog/uploaded_images/IMG_0174-769036.jpg

pplains, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 17:37 (three years ago) Permalink

Take It Easy is unfuckwithable; tight structure, sweet harmonising, singalong up to your eyeballs. Was this their first song? What pros.

Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 17:38 (three years ago) Permalink

lol @ the reflection

Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 17:39 (three years ago) Permalink

take it easy is ok

but it is sort of impressive, as far as "first song on first album totally defining the aesthetic of the band"

right up there with "black sabbath"/black sabbath/black sabbath

usic for 18 magicians (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 17:41 (three years ago) Permalink

I feel like the first two missing panels of this cartoon involved Mr. Magoo somehow.

http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/9619/hs56.jpg

pplains, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 17:42 (three years ago) Permalink

What's going on in those upstairs windows?

Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 17:44 (three years ago) Permalink

Well, when two trompe l'oeil figures love each other very much . . .

Domo Arigato, Demi Lovato (Phil D.), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 17:48 (three years ago) Permalink

"it's a girl my lord, in a flatbed Ford, slowin' down to take a look at me" is the only contribution Frey made to the song. Save for that one line, the song is written by Jackson Browne whose own version of the song I prefer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMA3lIeqV8M

Lee626, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 18:48 (three years ago) Permalink

Of course Frey would write the line that makes him look like Paul Newman.

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 18:52 (three years ago) Permalink

I'm curious about the exact nature of the relationships with those seven women, particularly the one who says she's a friend. Why is that was enough distinction to call her out specifically? Did most of the women he knew not want to be mistaken for being friends with him?

Lee626, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 19:13 (three years ago) Permalink

those ringing opening electric guitar chords that open the song -- and, I guess, their career -- make it sound like something epic is about to happen. but it turns out the laid-back acoustic strum underneath them is what you were supposed to have been listening to.

fact checking cuz, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 19:15 (three years ago) Permalink

The Eagles - and especially "Take It Easy" and "Hotel California" - have been so ubiquitous for so long that I'm wondering where and when most of us actually formulated any kind of a critical stance on the group. I was born in late 1982 and they were always kinda just there; I imagine the experience would be much the same for anyone born in America after 1970 or so. IME it's harder to be objective about music you grew up with. So if you hate the Eagles, did you hate "Take It Easy" when you were 5? Or did you grow to hate them later on? I think I always liked that song because it was big and clean and catchy and had good harmonies. I could say much the same for their other hits. By the time I got old enough to think about the smug misogyny of the lyrics and the greedy picks behind them, the Eagles were too much a part of my aural landscape to hate. And even so, I never once felt compelled to buy an album. The radio was enough.

For a contrast, I hated James Taylor for as long as I can remember. I think I could sense the waves of smarm and unctuousness dripping from his voice when I was in grade school.

One interesting thing about "Take It Easy" is that it never even made the top 10 of the charts - it only reached #12. Yet over time it's probably gotten more radio play than 95% of all the #1 hits in history - including a couple of the group's own chart toppers. It's so immaculately produced and finely-crafted - slicker and fuller than probably anything else of its era - that it's always an up, and I never change the station when it's on, yet it's also bland and shallow enough that I never seek it out otherwise. That kind of sums up their appeal and their shortcomings - easy to like, hard to really care about.

thewufs, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 19:15 (three years ago) Permalink

"picks" = "pricks"

thewufs, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 19:16 (three years ago) Permalink

I thought the implication was that the singer is being friendzoned by that one.

Ismael OTM and I don't really back down from my earlier comment about how this song illuminates much of what came later in lighter modern rock and new country.

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EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 19:18 (three years ago) Permalink

I thought it meant he wasn't interested in sleeping with that particular one of the seven.
The Eagles have always been there. I don't have a critical stance on them beyond always hating them.

no fomo (La Lechera), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 19:24 (three years ago) Permalink

Opening chimey guitar chords remind me that Rickenbacker made a Glenn Frey signature model, because his tone and approach were obviously so unique and distinctive that they could only be replicated by ugh ugh ugh seriously fuck Glenn Frey:
http://www.rickenbacker.com/news_item.asp?news_id=34&news=old

Shart Week (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 19:27 (three years ago) Permalink

To clarify - I didn't hate their music (which is generally light and innocuous) so much as them personally. They have always seemed like a bunch of entitled jerks.

no fomo (La Lechera), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 19:29 (three years ago) Permalink

I think Eagles hate has to be learned. It's part of that adolescent thing where you decide that some things are too pretty, too perfect, too good, that you'd rather listen to something that sounds fucked-up and noisy/distorted because it's more real, man. Also that if your mom likes it, it's to be shoved away with all your strength. My mom liked the Eagles a lot, I think. But somehow I never learned to hate them.

誤訳侮辱, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 19:30 (three years ago) Permalink

I thought the implication was that the singer is being friendzoned by that one.

I always heard this as meaning that they were whilom lovers but they weren't ever going to be much else.

Fais ce que voudra, occiderai de même (Michael White), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 19:32 (three years ago) Permalink

I thought it meant he wasn't interested in sleeping with that particular one of the seven.

But SHE'S the one who says she's a friend of his! Plus, it's totally funnier my way.

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EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 19:33 (three years ago) Permalink

Like, he sets you up with the "seven women on [his] mind" thing but they're all either pissed off at him or blowing him off.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 19:34 (three years ago) Permalink

Well, or they want something serious.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 19:34 (three years ago) Permalink

my parents were not Eagles fans, I don't remember hearing them at all as a kid really. at some point in high school/college there were conversations about what "Hotel California" *really* was about (see also Don McLean's "American Pie", Zep's "Stairway to Heaven" etc) and def by the time I was in college I was aware of the ubiquity of their Greatest Hits but by then there was really nothing in their music to appeal to me. and over time as I've learned more about them and listened to my wife's copies of their albums they just get under my skin.

Disco Strangler cracks me up tho. one of the times where they get close to so-bad-its-good camp. everything about that song is wrong.

what's up ugly girls? (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 19:35 (three years ago) Permalink

http://i.imgur.com/Z86MLah.gif

pplains, Wednesday, 28 December 2016 23:01 (five months ago) Permalink

HEARTACHE TONIGHT
GLENN: …and then they sold 12 million records, and everything changed! As Bob Dylan said, “They deceived me into thinking I had something to protect.” And that’s what happened with us. We made it, and it ate us. The Long Run became, indeed, the long run. It was a difficult record to make overall, but I loved “Heartache Tonight.” Whenever Bob Seger was in L.A., he always used to come over and visit me, and he’d visit Don, too, and play us stuff he was working on — and we would do the same. I seem to remember that I had the verse thing going on for “Heartache Tonight,” and I was showing it to Seger, and we were jammin’ — I think we were jammin’ on electric guitars at LaFontaine — and then he blurted out the chorus. That’s how “Heartache” started. Then Bob disappeared, and J.D., Don, and I finished that song up. No heavy lyrics — the song is more of a romp — and that’s what it was intended to be.

One of the revelations from the solo listening thread was that away from Henley & Seger, Glen couldn't write a meat and potatoes rocker to save his ass.

"I must believe that my charm was not in my ass." (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 28 December 2016 23:02 (five months ago) Permalink

uh wait -- you don't like "Party Town"?

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 28 December 2016 23:21 (five months ago) Permalink

KEYSERSOZE1965 11 months ago
My local rock station WJMX used to play this every Friday afternoon at 5:00 to signal the start of the weekend. Rest in Peace Glenn.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 28 December 2016 23:23 (five months ago) Permalink

XP: It's no "Chug All Night".

"I must believe that my charm was not in my ass." (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 28 December 2016 23:28 (five months ago) Permalink

five months pass...

It'll never end...

http://ultimateclassicrock.com/eagles-vince-gill/

In addition to the previously reported addition of Deacon Frey, who will step into the spot left vacant with the passing of his father Glenn, the group will be joined by veteran country artist Vince Gill. The Los Angeles Times reports that Gill will split vocal duties with the younger Frey on Glenn’s songs.

Eagles co-founder Don Henley, who earlier referred to Deacon’s entrance as a modern musical version of the old “guild system, where the father is the master and the son is the apprentice,” admitted that he viewed the group as finished after Glenn’s passing, but quoted Ralph Waldo Emerson while exercising his right to change his mind: “A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds.”

to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 1 June 2017 19:19 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Eagles co-founder Don Henley, who earlier referred to Deacon’s entrance as a modern musical version of the old “guild system, where the father is the master and the son is the apprentice,” admitted that he viewed the group as finished after Glenn’s passing, but quoted Ralph Waldo Emerson while exercising his right to change his mind: “A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds.”

oh shut the fuck up

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 1 June 2017 19:30 (three weeks ago) Permalink

what a fuckin tool

Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 1 June 2017 20:00 (three weeks ago) Permalink

...viewed the group as finished after Frey's passing but remembered the fat stacks of cash he loved so much & decided he had been too hasty

Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 1 June 2017 20:02 (three weeks ago) Permalink

young female eagles fan: but i'm 17 and you're 70. gross.

don: think of it as the old guild system, where i am the master and you are the apprentice.

fan: seriously?

ghost of glenn: well, yeah.

fact checking cuz, Thursday, 1 June 2017 20:08 (three weeks ago) Permalink

"I thought the Eagles were finished, but then I realized, wait, if the Eagles aren't touring, how will I get paid more money than Don Felder?"

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 1 June 2017 20:09 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Deacon, huh

Turn up the Eagles; the neighbors are listening

glumdalclitch, Thursday, 1 June 2017 20:14 (three weeks ago) Permalink

"who else can I add to the band & bully in a way that would make Glenn proud"

Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 1 June 2017 20:17 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I was on a image search for sons of the current Eagles (when I realized wtf am I doing? and stopped.)

Besides that photo above, also discovered that Henley is only the 4th richest drummer. Without looking, can you name the top 3?

pplains, Thursday, 1 June 2017 21:09 (three weeks ago) Permalink

the eagles are turning into the justice society of america

heck i've even been an 'oyster pirate' (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 1 June 2017 21:11 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I was on a image search for sons of the current Eagles (when I realized wtf am I doing? and stopped.)

Besides that photo above, also discovered that Henley is only the 4th richest drummer. Without looking, can you name the top 3?

I'd say

Ringo
Lars
Uhhhhh... Neil Peart?

heck i've even been an 'oyster pirate' (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 1 June 2017 21:12 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Grohl

to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 1 June 2017 21:14 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Phil Collins

chr1sb3singer, Thursday, 1 June 2017 21:19 (three weeks ago) Permalink

gary young

heck i've even been an 'oyster pirate' (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 1 June 2017 21:20 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Ringo, Phil & Dave.

pplains, Thursday, 1 June 2017 22:11 (three weeks ago) Permalink

...and Ringo says he's sorry.

to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 1 June 2017 22:24 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I always wonder about the sources for lists like this. Is Grohl really richer than Larry Mullen, who's been doing megatours with the most popular live band in the world for decades and, due to the way they split songwriting credits, gets publishing royalties for every one of their songs?

Futuristic Bow Wow (thewufs), Thursday, 1 June 2017 23:07 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Yeah, that struck me as odd, too. And surely Charlie Watts has more dough than Grohl?

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 1 June 2017 23:20 (three weeks ago) Permalink

The saddest story ever told:
For sale, one cut rock tooth never used

i believe that (s)he is sincere (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 1 June 2017 23:51 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Henley came in 4th despite having the biggest album ever and <literally> being Satan.

to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 1 June 2017 23:52 (three weeks ago) Permalink

The last sentence here is what might make this list so questionable: The figures contained in this list were acquired from all publicly available information including salaries, real estate holdings, divorces, record sales, royalties and endorsements. The final net worths come from a formula that takes out taxes, manager's fees, agents' fees, and lifestyle.

#1: Ringo Starr – $300 Million (The Beatles)
#2: Dave Grohl – $260 Million (Nirvana, Foo Fighters)
#3: Phil Collins – $250 Million (Solo, Genesis)
#4: Don Henley – $200 Million (The Eagles)
#5: Lars Ulrich – $200 Million (Metallica)
#6: Charlie Watts – $170 Million (The Rolling Stones)
#7: Roger Taylor – $170 Million (Queen)
#8: Larry Mullen Jr – $150 Million (U2)
#9: Joey Kramer – $100 Million (Aerosmith)
#10: Nick Mason – $100 Million (Pink Floyd)

http://www.celebritynetworth.com/articles/entertainment-articles/30-richest-drummers-world/

pplains, Friday, 2 June 2017 01:38 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Still baffled at Grohl's wealth, unless he's like some kind of secret slimeball real estate speculator or something. Or maybe he gets paid a bundle to be an HIV truther.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 2 June 2017 02:02 (two weeks ago) Permalink

He leads and writes all the songs for one of the most consistently popular rock bands for the last 20 years, and was also in a legacy band that has three or four popular catalog albums for starters.

to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 2 June 2017 02:30 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Sure, the Foo Fighters had a bunch of top 10 albums in the US, but only three top 40 hits. I dunno, that doesn't seem like enough to be second to Ringo. Do they really sell out tours? I always envisioned them playing 2/3rds-full mid-level arenas.

And does he have writing credit on Nirvana songs? Because I can't see him making more from Nirvana albums than Watts does from Stones records (though the shitty Klein deal likely means he makes a lot less than he should off the early stuff).

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 2 June 2017 02:44 (two weeks ago) Permalink

IIRC, he's included on some group compositions, but his real Nirvana money comes from sales royalties (they had a great low-advance deal with DGC--Novecelic paid off a whole 30-year mortgage a few months after Nevermind blew up) and merchandising.

to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 2 June 2017 02:52 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Grohl got credit on Nevermind. All did.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 2 June 2017 02:52 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Ah, ok, that makes a little more sense.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 2 June 2017 03:02 (two weeks ago) Permalink

XP That's some serious $$$ there then. As for the Foos, they're one of those bands like the Red Hot Chilli Peppers whom one probably don't think about much, but are still consistently big on the remaining rock radio outlets, their albums do well out of the gate, and they have an audience big enough to still support headlining large arena/shed tours.

to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 2 June 2017 03:10 (two weeks ago) Permalink

http://i.imgur.com/6eByG2q.jpg

Are we all just pretending that No. 9 isn't there or what?

http://i.imgur.com/yqH0Vo8.jpg

pplains, Friday, 2 June 2017 03:42 (two weeks ago) Permalink

The last sentence here is what might make this list so questionable: The figures contained in this list were acquired from all publicly available information including salaries, real estate holdings, divorces, record sales, royalties and endorsements. The final net worths come from a formula that takes out taxes, manager's fees, agents' fees, and lifestyle.

tbh the first sentence makes it questionable too. the only reliable public record in that entire sentence is record sales. and even if you could somehow get the rest of the info, how anyone could translate royalty figures, endorsements, etc., over the years into a believable estimate of someone's net worth at any given point of time is beyond me. at best, they're guessing.

fact checking cuz, Friday, 2 June 2017 07:00 (two weeks ago) Permalink


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