This Is the Pregnancy Commiseration and Support Thread

Oh $23 each, that seems sensible, I didn't read that carefully enough.

I may buy a pair later for their support properties.

Now see if you had 10 children, you could amortize the cost of all this shit and it would be like $5 per baby. This is clearly the way to make pregnancy more cost-effective.

We just registered for four classes - childbirth class, hospital maternity tour, breastfeeding, and "Babies 101" (LOL which end is up???). Shit is getting real...

we had like five sessions on childbirth and one on baby care. I always thought that was kind of ass backwards.

Babies 101!! Try not to drop the baby, that kind of thing.

also, until they invent a doll that can kick you and pee/poop on you, diaper practice is of limited value

we took a long natural birthing class that was really good and as a bonus connected us to other new parents at a time when we didn't know a lot of people with kids. i also took a short "babies for dads" class at be by baby that was SO DUMB and condescending, like the assumption was that you were a total moron and hadn't done any research on what babies are like.

lol @ babies 101 tbh though if I ever have kids that's a class I'd need because while I love older babies and children I've held an actual newborn exactly once and it was so little I was totally freaked out.

We are doing the one day 9-5 childbirth class so that should be exhausting.

The last time I had a baby in my care, you were still supposed to put them to sleep on their stomachs and I don't think Jeff has ever cared for a baby so we can use all the help we can get. I was watching You Tube videos about how to bathe a newborn. I like that at first you just sort of wipe them off.

lol that's kind of awesome. Eh, just give it a wipe.

Yeah, I guess until the cord falls off you aren't supposed to put them in water?

Yeah, I guess not submerging them until then makes sense since it's supposed to dry up and fall off.

Man, they're like Gremlins - don't get them wet etc. Pretty sure they like to eat after midnight though.

like the assumption was that you were a total moron

There's so much of this, the maternity ward advice seemed based entirely on you being a lazy idiot. The advice on feeding was change nappy, then feed baby - so we were changing out of clean nappy, feeding whereupon he'd dirty it, and having to change again. When we queried why you had to do it before, it turned out it was because they assumed if they said 'after' you wouldn't bother at all.

My dads' class was actually pretty good, but tbh you exceed everything you could possibly learn at it within about 5 minutes' caring for an actual baby. Stuff like this is great for giving you the confidence to deal with those 5 minutes (and preceding months) though.

i was terrified about being a parent tbh, like you get to the hospital and it's all real all of a sudden, and then a couple of days later they just sort of gently escort you out and you have a baby and no clue what to do next (or so it feels.) the best advice i can give is that the first couple of weeks are probably the worst and it continues to get easier. also the first few poops are nightmarish, it's like trying to clean exxon valdez oil off a baby walrus.

lol

(xp to self) Or the one that actually really angered us - if you're breastfeeding, the baby can't have formula milk. But it takes a day or two for the actual milk to come through, so on his first night at home the poor soul screamed until 6am and lost a lot of weight.

The reason of course was them assuming that if you tried formula milk once, you'd just give up breastfeeding. There's no medical basis for it at all. So angry because that little top-up would've saved a two-day-old a whole night of misery.

that is fuckjng stupid

there is so much hysteria and stress around breast-feeding that you don't find out about until you have a baby

Yeah, the amount of crazy talk (on all sides) around breastfeeding is overwhelming. I'd like to breastfeed and I will do my best to make it happen but if it doesn't work or only works partially, I'm going to be okay with that, too.

xp!!!!!!!!!!!

there are so many people who are extremely hardcore about their breastfeeding philosophies (whether to do it at all, how long, how often, where, etc.)

i would say it can be hard at first (as it was for us) but if you want to do it, don't give up.

(somewhat unrelated I was just reading an employment law decision out of Texas district court in which a judge held that it was okay to fire a woman for taking time to pump because breastfeeding was not related to pregnancy (pregnancy is over!) and firing "someone" (he doesn't say a woman, of course) for pumping breast milk is not sex discrimination. Now that's something to get pissed off about, IMO.)

ugh

at my wife's work they have a breastpumping room!

one at a time, not like a hair salon or w/e

i would say it can be hard at first (as it was for us) but if you want to do it, don't give up.

― christmas candy bar (al leong), Tuesday, August 27, 2013 2:53 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i agree with this but would add, if you do give up, don't feel shitty about it

we had lots of problems too and ended up supplementing with formula the whole time evie was breastfeeding and felt vaguely guilty about it at first but now i'm just like why were we so worried about it?

We have a pumping room, too. At the state, they actually would tell women to use the accessible stall in the bathroom, which is arguably against IL law (an employer needs to "make reasonable efforts" to provide a location other than a toilet stall).

I hear you about not giving up, and I want to breastfeed but if it comes to a point where I think it would be healthier to let it go, I'm going to do that. Like if I've got stigmata of the nipples and start resenting our baby as a dreadful monster and thinking about putting it up for adoption, I will probably move on to formula. That is okay, you know? I trust myself to make a good decision there.

xp n/a and I apparently sharing a brain today.

xp to self) Or the one that actually really angered us - if you're breastfeeding, the baby can't have formula milk. But it takes a day or two for the actual milk to come through, so on his first night at home the poor soul screamed until 6am and lost a lot of weight.

The reason of course was them assuming that if you tried formula milk once, you'd just give up breastfeeding. There's no medical basis for it at all. So angry because that little top-up would've saved a two-day-old a whole night of misery.

― Ismael Klata, Tuesday, August 27, 2013 3:37 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Argh, I remember this. The way we heard it was that if the baby tried the bottle it would be "easy" and then it would get too "lazy" to breastfeed. Of course the exact same thing happened to us, and I can still sharply remember that hysterical 3am moment of H and I going back and forth virtually in tears before finally just saying "Ok fuck it, K won't stop crying and she is really really hungry" and giving her a little formula. This was a good decision.

(somewhat unrelated I was just reading an employment law decision out of Texas district court in which a judge held that it was okay to fire a woman for taking time to pump because breastfeeding was not related to pregnancy (pregnancy is over!) and firing "someone" (he doesn't say a woman, of course) for pumping breast milk is not sex discrimination. Now that's something to get pissed off about, IMO.)

― Lawyer... SUAVE... (carl agatha), Tuesday, August 27, 2013 3:56 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

The law, in its magestic equality, forbids men and women alike from breastpumping at work

stigmata of the nipples lol omg

Nothing drives home the overwhelming maleness of the federal judiciary like a Title VII sex discrimination decision. xp

Can she be fired for leaking milk all through her top at work? (Fuck that guy with a rusty pitchfork, imho, or better yet go back in time and prevent him from ever suckling at his mother's breast. Wait a sec. Maybe that's EXACTLY what happened.)

Can she be fired for leaking milk all through her top at work?

Probably! Employers can set standards of dress and appearance and as long as they aren't found to be rooted in discrimination against a protected class (for evidence of the federal judiciary's overwhelming whiteness, see many cases on this particular subject), can fire people for failing to adhere to them. Since breastfeeding women aren't a protected class in that district, the employer can probably fire her.

I need to change my DN so I can stop reminding myself that I'm a lawyer and just let comments like that pass as the rhetorical questions that they are.

We have a euphemistically named 'Wellness Room' in my office that no-one is using to pump in presently (though several have in the past) which is primarily dedicated to just that (though also used for storage). I'm more of a commie but it's interesting to see large private coporations see these amenities less as liabilities than as selling points to potential or present employees.

We used to have a space set up in our other building, I think it was called the Women's Room but it was for pumping -- but we haven't had any pregnancies in forever and we sold the other building so idk where it is now, if we have one at all

A lot of that is driven by legislation. Large private corporations don't do anything if they don't have to. xp

I routinely stomped my male coworkers who fake-whined about why is there a women's room etc bcz UGH rly

think I told the story on some other thread but at my dads class they asked us what we liked about pregnancy & I have much love still for the guy who looked at all of us, raised his eyebrows up and down and said "milk jugs", with an "amirite" look on his face

omfg

horrified LOLs

i'm hearing that in the dudebro-unison voice of that "TWINS" budweiser commercial

bwahaah

tbf i don't know how else a dude is supposed to answer that question

i love the yelling and the crying and the swollen ankles

There was indeed panic in our house about breastfeeding. I had pretty much every problem one can have (and some of them multiple times) nursing, but I felt too guilty about quitting. I don't think I realized how crazy it was making me until a good friend whom I really admire weaned her daughter at 18 months. I was shocked, not only that she weaned so early, but that she was totally OK with it. She said she was feeling a bit claustrophobic, and it seemed like the right time. I realized the mom's mental health is just as important. I still have friends who nurse their 3 year olds, but instead of making me feel like a failure, I just feel so happy to be done with all that.

My point is that I don't believe being a martyr for your child is good for anyone.

from friends & family, it seems like the only "right way" is the way that's good for *that* mom + *that* babby.

way too much mania & pressure esp w/r/t breastfeeding. being a new mom is stressful enough!

Totally. Also, new parents are overtired, which makes everything harder.

Awesome babby!

sleeve! she has the best name & the best face

best name and best face yes, but c'mon y'all got to give it up for the hair

(congrats sleeve!)

thanks y'all.

tbh I did not expect this level of emotional involvement with somebody that I share no genetic material with (she is technically my step-granddaughter, my wife is the one who is especially delirious with happiness as a first time grandma). but yeah the hair, the face, the eyes... it just slays me. I can see my wife's son in her face.

rrrobyn, Isolde's parents watched"Happiest Baby On The Block" as well! I now know the five "S" things.

The family lives around 5-6 hours away, so it's not too bad for visits, but we only get to see them every month or so.

cutiepies >>>> sharing genetic material

sleeve, my stepdad is Ivy's grandfather (or as we like to call him Pop Pop) and it is a wonderful magical love to behold. My stepdad and I are never going to see eye to eye on a lot of things but I love him dearly and am so happy he's a part of Ivy's life.

So I guess just big ups to stepdad grandpas and I'm so happy for you and Isolde.

Awww, my dad is a stepdad grandpa to his partner's daughter's twins, and he's in deep. He just built them an insanely complicated and inappropriately delicate train set <3

My wife's parents are divorced and both are remarried, so my impending kid will have six total grandparents which is kind of awesome as I only ever knew three of mine, two of whom have been gone since 1989.

It's an open adoption also so who knows how many more "grandparents" might be involved on some level.

Yeah cosign to everything said above.

Also there was a point this year where I half-seriously considered getting a "5 S's" tattoo

Nora was born 15 days ago today. Thought I ought to check in.

How's it going?

Pretty well so far. She only woke once last night for a feed, she's putting in weight well, and she's a pretty content little baby all told. Feeling very lucky.

Congratulations :)

Realised I missed a golden opportunity for 'bahn in mi oven' display name :(

:(

lol :)
it's good you're leaving that dn here though for the next victim i mean happy pregnant person

I pass it on to my first-bahn son

A+ :)

I'm here again. Quite precariously since I haven't cleared the appropriate amount of weeks to be safe. But I've been so ill. Terrible morning sickness, not at all the bliss of the first pregnancy. Trying the new morning sickness drug but it's not making me drowsy anymore. Keeps me up. So here I am after a very long absence due to no longer owning a laptop. And decided on this board since I'm wide awake and feeling like shit.

<3 *tera
Hope it passes soon. I felt sick with mine but not enough to actually throw up - and that was bad enough, although manageable. So hard to get through the day.

PS Congratulations!

Thank you! It was an awful night but the meds kicked in and I'm coasting on them this morning.

Congrats, Tera! I bet August is so excited!!

congrats tera! sry about the illness stuff though, that's rough :/

Thank you!!! She was but it's now abstract. Now she mostly reassures me that she is still a baby who needs me.

I was able to control terrible morning sickness with deep breathing. That felt good. Today though, went out and about so I took the medication and after the best pizza of my life, was overwhelmed with drowsiness so I crashed for several hours. Ugh. My first pregnancy was not so incapacitating this early on. Maybe I need to scroll up and check that.

Come Monday I'm a single parent again, all week, so I need to get it together. Although, having my husband around during this rain break...binge watching Girls... Has really been like a real Spring Break. My Monday will be like any Monday after a long break.

I'm so happy for you, tera! Except the morning sickness part, I hope that passes quickly!

Sadly, the pregnancy ended a month after I posted this. It was a moment of overconfidence I was ultimately glad I had.

Oh *tera, I'm so sorry.

Hugs and love to you

hugs & condolences tera, i'm so sorry <3