defend the indefensible: glenn fucking greenwald

wtf is wrong with everyone.

Who's ruthless exactly? Because not everyone is saying the same tbh

this treatment could hardly have come as a surprise to him

really

the art of pretend fascism

waiting for it...

What I do hate is ad-homs like 'he should have known' this etc. if only Greenwald was so smart as we all are eh?

can the UKBA do this 9hr detention with olbigation to cooperate thing to british citizens too?

Yes, they can do it to anyone at airports, sea ports and international rail terminals.

Abuse of power and the ignoring of basic human rights here are glaringly staring in everyone's face here. Yet some still can't go beyond 'whaa he didn't see this coming'?

yeah unless u were very lax or retarded u would know uk govt will always go out of the way to help america, greenwald would probably know this

lbi and hoos idk if u are just being dense or

Nakh, even if he should have known better - because I agree that he was naive probably - that still isn't the biggest thing here is it? The main point is that his husband was detained for 9 hours. 'Knowing the uk will always help the us' doesn't take anything away from this being a disgraceful act.

oy

Abuse of power and the ignoring of basic human rights here are glaringly staring in everyone's face here. Yet some still can't go beyond 'whaa he didn't see this coming'?

― In the airplane over the .CSS (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, August 19, 2013 1:37 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

tbf seems like people were saying this as an aside

saying this was hardly unexpected does not somehow mean this wasn't unconscionable, lest that weren't obvious from the posts where i said it was a disgrace etc

@fivethirtyeight
"Never connect at Heathrow if you can possibly avoid it" is right up there with "never get involved in a land war in Asia"

otm

True.

Xxxp and xxp

i wouldn't get a partner mixed up in this stuff. but then i wouldn't get myself mixed up in this stuff either.

@fivethirtyeight
"Never connect at Heathrow if you can possibly avoid it" is right up there with "never get involved in a land war in Asia"

― polyphonic, Monday, 19 August 2013 18:41 (2 minutes ago)

yeah i can't imagine greenwald would not know this, or have been told by his wikileaks friends

@GGreenwald
A real mystery: suspenseful RT @OKnox White House won't say whether US tried to discourage UK from detaining @ggreenwald's partner.

hey did we discuss julian assange coming out as an old-right pro lifer anywhere

The White House "was informed" about Miranda being detained at Heathrow, I'm reading. Ow

Lol Goole no I don't think so :) that was o_O though

haha wait he's pro-life?? i saw he was into ron paul, which, of course

You could meet a person in a cafe and pay them $500 plus the cost of their ticket to deliver anything in the world that doesn't smell like drugs or explosives and they'd never be looked at. It just doesn't seem like this could possibly be accidental. This is zero comment on whether it's unscrupulous personal harassment, which it obviously is.

Also in case anyone needs anything, you can pay me $500 plus the cost of my ticket to deliver anything that doesn't smell like drugs or explosives, just ftr.

haha wait he's pro-life?? i saw he was into ron paul, which, of course

― max, Monday, August 19, 2013 1:48 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

and RAND paul!

So,

and like, i dunno. come on. if greenwald likes to imagine that he's in a spy novel he should start acting like it.

I mean, I know it's annoying when people think they're in a spy novel. Sure. Is that what GG's actually doing, though? Really?

if you are in possession of info that multiple national governments have classified as confidental and detrimental to national security if disclosed, etc etc then you don't just get a magical shield with "journalist" written on the front of it that means nobody hassles you about it when you're crossing borders with it.

I'm still following up this story, and cannot for the life of me work out whether or not Miranda had anything on him. Did he or did he not? Help me out here.

a thumb drive w secrets

a thumb drive w <s>secrets</s> next season's line of cargo shorts

shit

I've got a fistful of secrets if yaknowwhatImean

a friend of mine told me that in israel a sandisk is a big employer and everyone calls thumbdrives disc-on-key

Nilmar is basically saying GG is not one of the smart -- naaaahhhh

k

I do think Greenwald's biggest mistake today was saying he will write more aggressively and release more classified info now. He should have released the anyway.mnow it almost sounds like "ok guys I was going to give youse a break but you've gone too far now!' Which is nagl a motivation for a journalist.

yeah journalism is not really his natural habitat

Nilmar is basically saying GG is not one of the smart -- naaaahhhh

― Miss Arlington twirls for the Coal Heavers (Dr Morbius), Monday, 19 August 2013 18:58 (3 minutes ago)

did you actually read this post

defend the indefensible: glenn fucking greenwald

GG says Reuters tore his remarks out of context.

I will be on the Snowden thread.

I dunno

I'm not sure whether or not I 'give a fuck' about GG either but it's kind of the principle of the thing isn't it

yeah you can't read either

Also Nilmar are you coming from a 'giving away classified documents is a dangerous, stupid thing to do' angle or a 'This man is annoying to me' angle?

I'm open to the first (but probably need to have it spelled out to me) and the second is understandable in that people find people annoying

Lagoon, all I'm saying is it makes him come across as someone acting out of vengeance instead of just journalism. He's making it personal. I know it was made personal by detaining his husband but you need to try and separate the two, no?

Nilmar isn't coming of neither angles iirc, he's better than that.

Either, not neither

xp and Nilmar I'm not a Snowden/GG/Assange 'fan' or whatever, just trying to get a handle on all this. Spare a thought for people whose comprehension moves slightly slower than political events

i just want to make sure i understand--i'm being willfully naive if i think it's a problem that a guy publishing information about government spying by one country has his partner detained at an airport for 9 hours to be questioned about further publications by another country? is that the general idea? whether he should have 'expected' it or not is entirely beside the point--that it occurred at all is outrageous, and to deny that is to make peace with the notion that this is normal. and fuck that.

I don't really like that the whole NSA discussion is done in those thread, because for future reference/posterity, it'll be troublesome to locate some info, but anyway.

I've not read everything everyone has said, but my take is pretty simple, and I do make a few inferences, so take it with a grain of salt.

My conclusion is that Greenwald was very suspicious that there was a high probability of this happening to his partner--even higher if it was Greenwald himself transporting the data, so why not make it more interesting? Yes, I feel very strongly that this is a game to see who outwits the other. I have no problems with him doing this, because it is what moronic governments deserve. I'm not singling out a country, I am referring to my own country of Canada, plus the UK, and the USA.

Exhibit A: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/18/magazine/laura-poitras-snowden.html?pagewanted=10&_r=1&

"Their discussion turned to the question of coming back to the United States. Greenwald said, half-jokingly, that if he was arrested, WikiLeaks would become the new traffic cop for publishing N.S.A. documents. “I would just say: ‘O.K., let me introduce you to my friend Julian Assange, who’s going to take my place. Have fun dealing with him.'"

Poitras prodded him: “So you’re going back to the States?"

I had a problem with this article because of its long-form. It puts people off. I question whether it got anywhere near the same amount of reads as other shorter articles, making certain details inaccessible to readers who are put off by 10 pages of literature.

We also have this: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/06/25/greenwald-snowden-s-files-are-out-there-if-anything-happens-to-him.html

“When I was in Hong Kong, I spoke to my partner in Rio via Skype and told him I would send an electronic encrypted copy of the documents,” Greenwald said. “I did not end up doing it. Two days later his laptop was stolen from our house and nothing else was taken. Nothing like that has happened before. I am not saying it’s connected to this, but obviously the possibility exists.”

When asked if Greenwald believed his computer was being monitored by the U.S. government. “I would be shocked if the U.S. government were not trying to access the information on my computer. I carry my computers and data with me everywhere I go.”

Greenwald knows. People who are keeping up with the story know.

WikiLeaks leaked an AES256 encrypted insurance file. It's on the Internet. I'm not going to link to it but a simple Google search will locate it. The assumption is that they used openSSL and is something the NSA can easily crack. I tend to agree with this line of thought.

This was a test. To see what the gov't would react. Just as the gov't played along, seeing how Greenwald would react.

In that sense, it might've been a decoy, but their is also the assumption that the NSA already know everything Snowden/Greenwald/Poitras have. So all this confiscation is part of the theatrical drama played out for the mainstream public. Link/bait/etc.

Thing is, Greenwald is playing that game and trying to use it against them.

Just my opinion.

to be expected or not, it should not be fucking occurring. that simple.

xp

I'm with you Hoos, but tbf everyone here acknowledged it shouldn't have happened already.