defend the indefensible: glenn fucking greenwald

can the UKBA do this 9hr detention with olbigation to cooperate thing to british citizens too?

usb sticks? wtf?

yes. i'm also saying that he should choose maybe a more sneaky way of transferring extremely sensitive info than like, his boyfriend and a usb stick. i'm not suggesting that what happened is JUSTIFIED either morally or probably even legally, just that greenwald is maybe being kind of dim about it?

there is no suggestion his boyfriend was actually carrying state secrets on his wii or whatever

nakh did you read goole's post?

Mr. Miranda was in Berlin to deliver documents related to Mr. Greenwald’s investigation into government surveillance to Ms. Poitras, Mr. Greenwald said. Ms. Poitras, in turn, gave Mr. Miranda different documents to pass to Mr. Greenwald. Those documents, which were stored on encrypted thumb drives, were confiscated by airport security, Mr. Greenwald said. All of the documents came from the trove of materials provided to the two journalists by Mr. Snowden.

Mark me down as another one kind of amazed neither Greenwald nor Poitras has ever heard of WeTransfer. "I'll put all these documents on a flash drive, because this is a movie, and it's 2007."

maybe this is just his way of breaking up

miranda is gg's husband ftr

so Miranda would have been stopped even if he was not GG's spouse -- is that what some of you Mordyites are saying?

Maybe GG knows what everyone's thinking the way Obama 'skeptics' know that the True Librul in O's heart of hearts detests the authoritarian policies he vigorously pursues.

anyway, after reading Maass's NYT Mag piece on Poitras I would've thought she and GG were more careful about thius stuff.

ah i did not know. i feel like he's always referred to as "partner" so i extrapolated. wrongly.

no i didn't read that and probably should have but it seems sort of superfluous because all of that could be fully encryped and sent electronically anyway

reading comprehension morbs, as always

Morbius me too! the second graf, when she gets the first dump from snowden, she literally pulls the ethernet cable out of her computer immediately and shuts it down.

"oh plus we have to meet in berlin. why? don't worry about it, it'll be cool."

seems the detention was by the police, not the ukba, which is worse in a sense, because in their defense, the ukba are merely incompetent.

if miranda had classified material from a foreign security agency (nsa) then that would still be ultra vires wrt the terrorism act

i don't give a fuck about glenn greenwald and sure this treatment could hardly have come as a surprise to him

so he may be a hysterical imbecile playing at spy games or he might just have arranged this in the expectation ukba would engage in a counterproductive interception and the optics would help greenwald/snowden

it's not like the only transfer from berlin to south america is via london.......

yeah the detention was by police but i guess it would have been ukba who intercepted him? so substitute the names but it doesn't affect the rest of the argument

jesus ppl on this thread are ruthless.

wtf is wrong with everyone.

Who's ruthless exactly? Because not everyone is saying the same tbh

this treatment could hardly have come as a surprise to him

really

the art of pretend fascism

waiting for it...

What I do hate is ad-homs like 'he should have known' this etc. if only Greenwald was so smart as we all are eh?

can the UKBA do this 9hr detention with olbigation to cooperate thing to british citizens too?

Yes, they can do it to anyone at airports, sea ports and international rail terminals.

Abuse of power and the ignoring of basic human rights here are glaringly staring in everyone's face here. Yet some still can't go beyond 'whaa he didn't see this coming'?

yeah unless u were very lax or retarded u would know uk govt will always go out of the way to help america, greenwald would probably know this

lbi and hoos idk if u are just being dense or

Nakh, even if he should have known better - because I agree that he was naive probably - that still isn't the biggest thing here is it? The main point is that his husband was detained for 9 hours. 'Knowing the uk will always help the us' doesn't take anything away from this being a disgraceful act.

oy

Abuse of power and the ignoring of basic human rights here are glaringly staring in everyone's face here. Yet some still can't go beyond 'whaa he didn't see this coming'?

― In the airplane over the .CSS (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, August 19, 2013 1:37 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

tbf seems like people were saying this as an aside

saying this was hardly unexpected does not somehow mean this wasn't unconscionable, lest that weren't obvious from the posts where i said it was a disgrace etc

@fivethirtyeight
"Never connect at Heathrow if you can possibly avoid it" is right up there with "never get involved in a land war in Asia"

otm

True.

Xxxp and xxp

i wouldn't get a partner mixed up in this stuff. but then i wouldn't get myself mixed up in this stuff either.

@fivethirtyeight
"Never connect at Heathrow if you can possibly avoid it" is right up there with "never get involved in a land war in Asia"

― polyphonic, Monday, 19 August 2013 18:41 (2 minutes ago)

yeah i can't imagine greenwald would not know this, or have been told by his wikileaks friends

@GGreenwald
A real mystery: suspenseful RT @OKnox White House won't say whether US tried to discourage UK from detaining @ggreenwald's partner.

hey did we discuss julian assange coming out as an old-right pro lifer anywhere

The White House "was informed" about Miranda being detained at Heathrow, I'm reading. Ow

Lol Goole no I don't think so :) that was o_O though

haha wait he's pro-life?? i saw he was into ron paul, which, of course

You could meet a person in a cafe and pay them $500 plus the cost of their ticket to deliver anything in the world that doesn't smell like drugs or explosives and they'd never be looked at. It just doesn't seem like this could possibly be accidental. This is zero comment on whether it's unscrupulous personal harassment, which it obviously is.

Also in case anyone needs anything, you can pay me $500 plus the cost of my ticket to deliver anything that doesn't smell like drugs or explosives, just ftr.

haha wait he's pro-life?? i saw he was into ron paul, which, of course

― max, Monday, August 19, 2013 1:48 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

and RAND paul!

So,

and like, i dunno. come on. if greenwald likes to imagine that he's in a spy novel he should start acting like it.

I mean, I know it's annoying when people think they're in a spy novel. Sure. Is that what GG's actually doing, though? Really?

if you are in possession of info that multiple national governments have classified as confidental and detrimental to national security if disclosed, etc etc then you don't just get a magical shield with "journalist" written on the front of it that means nobody hassles you about it when you're crossing borders with it.

I'm still following up this story, and cannot for the life of me work out whether or not Miranda had anything on him. Did he or did he not? Help me out here.

a thumb drive w secrets

a thumb drive w <s>secrets</s> next season's line of cargo shorts

shit

I've got a fistful of secrets if yaknowwhatImean

a friend of mine told me that in israel a sandisk is a big employer and everyone calls thumbdrives disc-on-key

Nilmar is basically saying GG is not one of the smart -- naaaahhhh

k